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Reply #46 - May 30^th, 2016 at 8:34am

Aussie wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 8:03pm:

It would be easy to just walk away from a situation where people are advocating in ignorance of the Law. I'm trying to give cods a hand here.

and the parenting has no responsibility typical of someone who can see money in it..

I get it I really do.....how does anyone know the fencing wasnt damaged by vandals

the child fell 5 meters....doesnt the parent have any responsibility for their child once they enter a ZOO...

where does the LAW stand on parents doing their job?????????>..

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Reply #47 - May 30^th, 2016 at 8:49am

Well I'd like to see just where this child accessed the enclosure ...

and also ask why hasn't it happened before?

WH&S has been watered down for workers by self regulation........

wherein Risk Assessments are done ... and certain criteria met ....

and all situations have a point where outcomes are considered an acceptable risk.

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Reply #48 - May 30^th, 2016 at 8:52am

cods wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 8:34am:

Aussie wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 8:03pm:

It would be easy to just walk away from a situation where people are advocating in ignorance of the Law. I'm trying to give cods a hand here.

and the parenting has no responsibility typical of someone who can see money in it..

I get it I really do.....how does anyone know the fencing wasnt damaged by vandals

the child fell 5 meters....doesnt the parent have any responsibility for their child once they enter a ZOO...

where does the LAW stand on parents doing their job?????????>..

We don't know how far the child fell, cods. That distance was plucked out of the air by way of hypothesis by a Poster here. I also have no idea where the parents were or what they were doing. We do know the kid got through a barrier and the Zoo has a positive duty of care to ensure such an event cannot happen.

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Reply #49 - May 30^th, 2016 at 8:58am

Aussie wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 8:52am:

cods wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 8:34am:

Aussie wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 8:03pm:

It would be easy to just walk away from a situation where people are advocating in ignorance of the Law. I'm trying to give cods a hand here.

and the parenting has no responsibility typical of someone who can see money in it..

I get it I really do.....how does anyone know the fencing wasnt damaged by vandals

the child fell 5 meters....doesnt the parent have any responsibility for their child once they enter a ZOO...

where does the LAW stand on parents doing their job?????????>..

We don't know how far the child fell, cods. That distance was plucked out of the air by way of hypothesis by a Poster here. I also have no idea where the parents were or what they were doing. We do know the kid got through a barrier and the Zoo has a positive duty of care to ensure such an event cannot happen.

well take a look at your link...it might give you some idea....they are lucky that boy is alive

maybe we should have barricades up and down our highways to prevent kids running into the road...like they do......

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Reply #50 - May 30^th, 2016 at 9:20am

Just watched an interview with the Zoo spokesman. Seems the gorilla couldn't be tranquilised because it would take too long to act and he would be pissed off in the meantime.

Duty of care cuts both ways here. The zoo should ensure that no one can access the animals, however a determined adult or curious child will always find a way around this. Parents are ultimately responsible for their children.

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Reply #51 - May 30^th, 2016 at 9:31am

cods wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 8:58am:

Aussie wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 8:52am:

cods wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 8:34am:

Aussie wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 8:03pm:

It would be easy to just walk away from a situation where people are advocating in ignorance of the Law. I'm trying to give cods a hand here.

and the parenting has no responsibility typical of someone who can see money in it..

I get it I really do.....how does anyone know the fencing wasnt damaged by vandals

the child fell 5 meters....doesnt the parent have any responsibility for their child once they enter a ZOO...

where does the LAW stand on parents doing their job?????????>..

We don't know how far the child fell, cods. That distance was plucked out of the air by way of hypothesis by a Poster here. I also have no idea where the parents were or what they were doing. We do know the kid got through a barrier and the Zoo has a positive duty of care to ensure such an event cannot happen.

well take a look at your link...it might give you some idea........

I wouldn't rely on the link too much.

For example, it says : "four-year-old boy falls into the enclosure holding a mountain gorilla at Cincinnati Zoo", followed immediately by "A 180 kilogram male gorilla in a US zoo has been shot dead after grabbing a three-year-old boy who fell into the ape exhibit moat."

They seem to be guessing at the distance he fell too:

"Authorities said the boy, who fell three to four metres".

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Reply #52 - May 30^th, 2016 at 9:31am

Aussie wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 8:52am:

cods wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 8:34am:

Aussie wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 8:03pm:

It would be easy to just walk away from a situation where people are advocating in ignorance of the Law. I'm trying to give cods a hand here.

and the parenting has no responsibility typical of someone who can see money in it..

I get it I really do.....how does anyone know the fencing wasnt damaged by vandals

the child fell 5 meters....doesnt the parent have any responsibility for their child once they enter a ZOO...

where does the LAW stand on parents doing their job?????????>..

We don't know how far the child fell, cods. That distance was plucked out of the air by way of hypothesis by a Poster here.

That was my reply to your comment that if the boy could get in the gorilla could get out.

ROLF. Are you really that thick Mr Taxi driver?

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Reply #53 - May 30^th, 2016 at 9:47am

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 9:31am:

cods wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 8:58am:

Aussie wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 8:52am:

cods wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 8:34am:

Aussie wrote on May 29^th, 2016 at 8:03pm:

It would be easy to just walk away from a situation where people are advocating in ignorance of the Law. I'm trying to give cods a hand here.

and the parenting has no responsibility typical of someone who can see money in it..

I get it I really do.....how does anyone know the fencing wasnt damaged by vandals

the child fell 5 meters....doesnt the parent have any responsibility for their child once they enter a ZOO...

where does the LAW stand on parents doing their job?????????>..

We don't know how far the child fell, cods. That distance was plucked out of the air by way of hypothesis by a Poster here. I also have no idea where the parents were or what they were doing. We do know the kid got through a barrier and the Zoo has a positive duty of care to ensure such an event cannot happen.

well take a look at your link...it might give you some idea........

I wouldn't rely on the link too much.

For example, it says : "four-year-old boy falls into the enclosure holding a mountain gorilla at Cincinnati Zoo", followed immediately by "A 180 kilogram male gorilla in a US zoo has been shot dead after grabbing a three-year-old boy who fell into the ape exhibit moat."

They seem to be guessing at the distance he fell too:

"Authorities said the boy, who fell three to four metres".

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gweg look at aussies link LOOK AT THE PICS...

it looks like more than 3 meters.. if they had not built a moat around the compound that boy would be dead...

no one is saying the ZOO wont be held accountable. of course they will be its the good old American way..

what I am saying is where were the parents???...where does their responsibility end at the gates of the zoo apparently...

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Reply #54 - May 30^th, 2016 at 9:50am

Belgarion wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 9:20am:

Just watched an interview with the Zoo spokesman. Seems the gorilla couldn't be tranquilised because it would take too long to act and he would be pissed off in the meantime.

Duty of care cuts both ways here. The zoo should ensure that no one can access the animals, however a determined adult or curious child will always find a way around this. Parents are ultimately responsible for their children.

at last commonsense....

but the law says otherwise.... Roll Eyes

and if its written into law... then some folks think its written in stone...and therefore is ??? well never to be challenged...

duty of care?????.....hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #55 - May 30^th, 2016 at 9:57am Thousands of people have already signed a petition condemning the killing of the gorilla. Witnesses say the gorilla was protecting the child.
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Reply #56 - May 30^th, 2016 at 10:03am

AiA wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 9:57am:

Thousands of people have already signed a petition condemning the killing of the gorilla. Witnesses say the gorilla was protecting the child.

yes we know AiA its very sad....but at the end of the day he was still a wild animal...to sedate would take too long...its a cruel world.. thats why I say the parents have to be held accountable...not just the zoo.......

signing a petition wont bring him back....

and as someone keeps pointing out the zoo has a duty of care.... they did what they did not because they wanted too.... remember........ it would have been heartbreaking.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138919 Gender:	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #57 - May 30^th, 2016 at 10:05am AiA wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 9:57am: Thousands of people have already signed a petition condemning the killing of the gorilla. In the hope of achieving what, exactly?
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AiA Gold Member Offline Posts: 18405 Gender:	Re: Gorilla shot after rescuing child Reply #58 - May 30^th, 2016 at 10:09am greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 10:05am: AiA wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 9:57am: Thousands of people have already signed a petition condemning the killing of the gorilla. In the hope of achieving what, exactly? a resurrection?
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Reply #59 - May 30^th, 2016 at 10:10am

AiA wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 10:09am:

greggerypeccary wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 10:05am:

AiA wrote on May 30^th, 2016 at 9:57am:

Thousands of people have already signed a petition condemning the killing of the gorilla.

In the hope of achieving what, exactly?

a resurrection?

wow can anyone attend?....Id like to see that.

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