Grendel wrote on May 31
st, 2016 at 8:38pm:
Aussie wrote on May 31
st, 2016 at 8:36pm:
Grendel wrote on May 31
st, 2016 at 8:34pm:
Aussie wrote on May 31
st, 2016 at 7:54pm:
You asked fro proof Grendel, and you been given conclusive proof that Ciobo lied. Why do you not accept the facts when you asked that you be given them?
Really Aussie... I tell you the truth all the time and you never accept that as proof.
Suddenly you've dropped your standard of proof to just because he says it.
He hasn't proven anything yet. He certainly hasn't disproven what Ciobo said yet.
He's proven that every coffee shop within a bull's roar of Ciobo's Office trades on Sunday. He has given you links you can check yourself.
Oh dear if you stop reading the misquotes and disingenuous crap being posted if you watched Q&A you will know Ciobo was very specific in what he said and when that occurred... so far no one has posted any proof re that.
Here is all of what he said.
Quote:STEVE CIOBO: Oh, okay. So, well, look, ultimately, if the Productivity Commission has put that forward, that's best directed towards the Productivity Commission but I want to talk about penalty rates more generally. The decision that we've got to make around penalty rates and I’ll give you an example. My office is on Chevron island on the Gold Coast. Just down the road from me was a sandwich bar. It was open six days a week. When they brought in the penalty - it was closed on Mondays. When they brought in higher penalty rates under Labor, I spoke to the proprietor of that shop who employed three women in his store and he said "It's no longer viable for me to open on a Sunday." So he then closed and he had a two-day weekend, Sunday and Monday and didn't open on Sunday at all. Now the consequence of that so-called higher rates of pay was that those three women actually lost out on employment full stop on Sundays because it was no longer viable for him to open and we see that now on public holidays. You’ve only got to walk around any tourist area, for example, on the Gold Coast or in Brisbane and see how many cafes and restaurants are now closed because the owner is not making any money. So it's not about trying to begrudge people from getting extra pay from penalty rates. It's just a reflection of the economic facts, which is that if a business isn't making money, it's not going to open and so if you say, well, what's in it for you as a hospitality worker? Well, in many instances and what we know in aggregate terms across the economy, is that the higher the penalty rates are, the fewer employment opportunities that are created.
Link.Looks like we need to know whether a sandwich bar is a coffee shop, in Ciobo.
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