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Reply #31 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:35am

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:28am:

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

.I have already said increase the GST but the whingers win every time...

I'd rather you pay for the ACT's policies than me.

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

do you think this is a fair tax?????

no, but that's irrelevant. The ACT got. is limited in how they raise taxes. Do you cry when speed camera revenue that you don't contribute to is used to pick up your garbage? Or fix the street out front of your house?

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

when theres a bush fire up goes the fire insurance we are forced to pay.......

so don't live in the bush.

We ALL pay for the effects of domestic violence. It ties up our courts, our police, our hospitals staff, our emergency services, we spend a fortune on trying to protect the women through various govt. funded organisations. You can cry that you're not violent so you shouldn't pay, it's not fair ..... but if you don't pay, it's cost you more in the long run.

not this $30 you dont....read it HOME OWNERS..

do you really think it will fix it.. how much do you think we already invest in DV...

how much do all those DVOs cost do you have any idea???>.

it isnt as if we dont throw money at it already...

and I have no doubt this will make no difference at all..

if money was the answer these stats would go down instead they increase...

the murders that are involved are on the increase....

yet we have everything imaginable available to prevent it...

the only thing we do not seem to have is tough sentencing...sorry but I do not think 6 years for killing a child is long enough...not by a long stretch...but its what they get...

then they are protected in custody...its our job to pay to protect them...

is there something I am missing here. Angry

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Reply #32 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:38am

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:35am:

not this $30 you dont....read it HOME OWNERS..

I said we all pay for the effects of DV, I didn't say we all pay this tax. If we don't stop DV, it will cost you much more in the long term.

Apart from the money, the statistics say it's only a matter of time before DV affects your kids or grandkids. The best thing you can do for them is to help curb DV. If Qld govt. decided to increase my rates by $30 to pay for it, I certainly wouldn't complain, I'd be grateful someone decided to act.

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Reply #33 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 1:10pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:38am:

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:35am:

not this $30 you dont....read it HOME OWNERS..

I said we all pay for the effects of DV, I didn't say we all pay this tax. If we don't stop DV, it will cost you much more in the long term.

Apart from the money, the statistics say it's only a matter of time before DV affects your kids or grandkids. The best thing you can do for them is to help curb DV. If Qld govt. decided to increase my rates by $30 to pay for it, I certainly wouldn't complain, I'd be grateful someone decided to act.

you dont read too weell do you...

we already pay out millions on this problem.. just like we do for drunken yobos who put people on life support because of the need to hit someone..

it doesnt stop anything though..

the stats keep growing....thats what I am saying..

by all means pay the money whilst the bloke that is beating his missus up isnt paying it..

by all means be a martyr...

if you dont mind I think I pay enough..

you really think MORE counsellors will stop it....

they are throwing more money at what we are doing now ............that isnt working .... Roll Eyes

that makes sense to some.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35054 Gender:	Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence. Reply #34 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 1:12pm Cods, there is a shortage of resources for family violence victims.
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Reply #35 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 1:23pm

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 9:27am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 9:10am:

A tax to stop attacks?

Yes.

Through education/training/support programs etc.

These are necessary but unfortunately cost money.

Such programs are currently Federal Govt funded and State govt funded though.

Obviously the current funding structure is no longer sufficient/sustainable.

BRB....I'm going to call a few people I know who currently work in the industry.

lisa they never get enough money....now they want to help the legal fraternity make more money... Roll Eyes

education... really?????.......

Ok...so in summary:

1. Many programs have been defunded over the past few yrs. The rest have experienced severe budget cuts.

2. At present, this new tax seems to be the only way to raise the funds needed to combat DV.

3. For those who may not know : DV is presently costing Australia around $15 BILLION/YR.

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence. Reply #36 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 1:26pm AiA wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:22am: don't forget the "penis tax" cods. it comes in many forms and applies only to men.
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence. Reply #37 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 2:51pm GordyL wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:34am: Will Aboriginals get grants for wife bashing? Good point. Billions of ever increasing dollars thrown at the Aboriginal community and domestic violence and child abuse is increasing. Money not solving anything there.
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Reply #38 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 2:54pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:28am:

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

.I have already said increase the GST but the whingers win every time...

I'd rather you pay for the ACT's policies than me.

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

do you think this is a fair tax?????

no, but that's irrelevant. The ACT got. is limited in how they raise taxes. Do you cry when speed camera revenue that you don't contribute to is used to pick up your garbage? Or fix the street out front of your house?

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:21am:

when theres a bush fire up goes the fire insurance we are forced to pay.......

so don't live in the bush.

We ALL pay for the effects of domestic violence. It ties up our courts, our police, our hospitals staff, our emergency services, we spend a fortune on trying to protect the women through various govt. funded organisations. You can cry that you're not violent so you shouldn't pay, it's not fair ..... but if you don't pay, it's cost you more in the long run.

Agree.

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Reply #39 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:05pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 1:23pm:

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 9:27am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 9:10am:

A tax to stop attacks?

Yes.

Through education/training/support programs etc.

These are necessary but unfortunately cost money.

Such programs are currently Federal Govt funded and State govt funded though.

Obviously the current funding structure is no longer sufficient/sustainable.

BRB....I'm going to call a few people I know who currently work in the industry.

lisa they never get enough money....now they want to help the legal fraternity make more money... Roll Eyes

education... really?????.......

Ok...so in summary:

1. Many programs have been defunded over the past few yrs. The rest have experienced severe budget cuts.

2. At present, this new tax seems to be the only way to raise the funds needed to combat DV.

3. For those who may not know : DV is presently costing Australia around $15 BILLION/YR.

thats fine lisa... we do know and I for one do not believe throwing money at anything works..

of course it does win the odd vote here and there... Roll Eyes

I think its about time we made people responsible for their actions....and no an AVO isnt working... even DVO dont work...how many people break the conditions which is a jailable offense but still dont go to jail.?????.

its laughable... no one wants to put them in jail.. they would rather throw money at it..

hey look at the soccer last night.. how many threats have they had... and does anyone take the slightest notice....???????????..

of course they dont why would they... nothing is ever done about it..

maybe 2 years in jail would help. .. who knows we are too busy slapping them with a lettuce leaf ..

oh wait a minute now we have to pay overtime for someone to search through phone videos in the hope they can arrest someone... Roll Eyes

thats right.. ITS HAPPENED SOMEONE COULD OF COURSE BEEN KILLED BUT WE CANT DO A THING UNTIL THE FIREWORKS GO OFF???..

and dont forget no sniffer dogs allowed.... Roll Eyes

btw they started fighting in the street and then they were allowed into the match..... Roll Eyes

it makes sense to some.

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Reply #40 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:06pm

ian wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 2:51pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:34am:

Will Aboriginals get grants for wife bashing?

Good point. Billions of ever increasing dollars thrown at the Aboriginal community and domestic violence and child abuse is increasing. Money not solving anything there.

you need to ask how much of that money is getting where its meant to go???????????...

we have far too much money in this country it disappears and we dont even bother looking for it....

thats ok.. bring on another TAX that will fix it..

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Reply #41 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:11pm

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:05pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 1:23pm:

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 9:27am:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 9:17am:

The Heartless Felon wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 9:10am:

A tax to stop attacks?

Yes.

Through education/training/support programs etc.

These are necessary but unfortunately cost money.

Such programs are currently Federal Govt funded and State govt funded though.

Obviously the current funding structure is no longer sufficient/sustainable.

BRB....I'm going to call a few people I know who currently work in the industry.

lisa they never get enough money....now they want to help the legal fraternity make more money... Roll Eyes

education... really?????.......

Ok...so in summary:

1. Many programs have been defunded over the past few yrs. The rest have experienced severe budget cuts.

2. At present, this new tax seems to be the only way to raise the funds needed to combat DV.

3. For those who may not know : DV is presently costing Australia around $15 BILLION/YR.

thats fine lisa... we do know and I for one do not believe throwing money at anything works..

of course it does win the odd vote here and there... Roll Eyes

I think its about time we made people responsible for their actions....and no an AVO isnt working... even DVO dont work...how many people break the conditions which is a jailable offense but still dont go to jail.?????.

its laughable... no one wants to put them in jail.. they would rather throw money at it..

hey look at the soccer last night.. how many threats have they had... and does anyone take the slightest notice....???????????..

of course they dont why would they... nothing is ever done about it..

maybe 2 years in jail would help. .. who knows we are too busy slapping them with a lettuce leaf ..

oh wait a minute now we have to pay overtime for someone to search through phone videos in the hope they can arrest someone... Roll Eyes

thats right.. ITS HAPPENED SOMEONE COULD OF COURSE BEEN KILLED BUT WE CANT DO A THING UNTIL THE FIREWORKS GO OFF???..

and dont forget no sniffer dogs allowed.... Roll Eyes

btw they started fighting in the street and then they were allowed into the match..... Roll Eyes

it makes sense to some.

Cods, an attempt is being made to address DV.

I agree, it's NOT good that a new tax has to be implemented for this to happen.

A new tax will particularly hurt those on fixed incomes.

So I very much appreciate where you're coming from.

I just can't do anything about it lol Tongue

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Reply #42 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:14pm

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:06pm:

ian wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 2:51pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:34am:

Will Aboriginals get grants for wife bashing?

Good point. Billions of ever increasing dollars thrown at the Aboriginal community and domestic violence and child abuse is increasing. Money not solving anything there.

you need to ask how much of that money is getting where its meant to go???????????...

we have far too much money in this country it disappears and we dont even bother looking for it....

thats ok.. bring on another TAX that will fix it..

Ah. Now that's a different matter.

All govts are notoriously known for being inefficient when it comes to managing $$$$.

Cry

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Reply #43 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:14pm

Looks like Govco is getting serious.

Not content with Australians being the most taxed people on earth.
In order to fund their overly generous pensions and perks, they are desperately looking for more ways to tax people.

Perhaps if we didnt have more politicians (per capita) than any country on earth.
Perhaps if we didnt pay our politicians more than any country on earth.
Perhaps if we didnt have the single most expensive post employment reward system for politicians and public service personnel.
Perhaps if we had less levels of government
Perhaps if we had less public service personnel sucking on the tit and growing in numbers daily.
Perhaps if we didnt send billions of dollars overseas to countries that hate us.
Perhaps if we had a government not populated by narcissistic, Machiavellian, corrupt politicians and public servants.
Perhaps if Australians were not so apathetic and actually fronted these parasites.

We might have half a chance.

But dont hold your breath.

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Reply #44 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:14pm

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

we already pay out millions on this problem

BILLIONS ... and the only way to stop wasting that money is to stop the problem.

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

it doesnt stop anything though..

the stats keep growing....thats what I am saying..

Stats keep growing because we aren't providing enough resources. Education programmes, for one example, work Cods. Look at the decline in smoking rates compared to the 70's due to education aimed at the kids. Same with the safe sex adds (grim reaper) of the 80's, they worked. We haven't seen any safe sex adds for a long time and now aids is actually on the increase again in this country.

we are better off spending $100 now on education, than $1000 later on treatment

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