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Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence.
Reply #60 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:46pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

Neferti wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:26pm:

Well, it is "only" $30 a year, added on to our (ACT) General Rates. The rest of Australia doesn't need to worry about it. Grin

Canberra has had quite a lot of murders, in recent times, as a result of domestic violence. Including a father who bashed his 8 year old son to death. The poor little kid!

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And in this week's Budget Chief Minister Andrew Barr announced that $21.4 million was available over the next four years to implement sweeping reforms.

In launching the Safer Families initiative, Barr said it was the most comprehensive package to address family violence in the territory's history.

Eight people have been killed in family violence related incidents since 2012. Estimates from the ACT Domestic Violence Crisis Service suggest that there were another 72 in the 24 years before that.

You would think then that many, many more people have been physically and emotionally abused and survived; that many, many people haven't even become a statistic because they haven't dared report anything to anybody.

The reforms and the resources are long overdue.

But the worrying thing is, will they work?

It seems one of the main problems is the lack of centralised coordination of all the different agencies involved. There are government departments, crisis services, courts and tribunals, the police and lawyers. The list of who gets what out of the Budget coffers is long and piecemeal.

To counter this it's somewhat reassuring that more than $3 million will fund a full-time family safety coordinator-general and a dedicated safe families team to create a centralised hub to foster collaboration.

Let's hope the initiative does what it hopes to do.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/comment/will-the-domestic-violence-levy-get-to-t...

$3 mill over how many yrs?

Anyone know?

Mmmmm. A full-time family safety co-ordinator-general, plus a "team"? 1x$180,000+ pa plus a "team" of, say 4 x $100,000+ pa. You work it out. Grin

It doesn't matter anyway because the ACT Taxpayers will be paying ... you Sydney lot have not need to panic. Wink

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Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence.
Reply #61 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:46pm

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:14pm:

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

we already pay out millions on this problem

BILLIONS ... and the only way to stop wasting that money is to stop the problem.

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

it doesnt stop anything though..

the stats keep growing....thats what I am saying..

Stats keep growing because we aren't providing enough resources. Education programmes, for one example, work Cods. Look at the decline in smoking rates compared to the 70's due to education aimed at the kids. Same with the safe sex adds (grim reaper) of the 80's, they worked. We haven't seen any safe sex adds for a long time and now aids is actually on the increase again in this country.

we are better off spending $100 now on education, than $1000 later on treatment

Another good post, John.

As an aside, I wonder how much violent movies, media, video games etc are impacting on our young men and teaching them to be violent?

You mean like Game of Thrones???

WELL, I CANNOT BRING MYSELF TO WATCH A SINGLE EPISODE ON A/C OF THE INJUSTICE AND VIOLENCE INVOLVED.

However, my husband and teenage twins are too scared to blink when they watch it....that's how obsessed they are with it! Angry

Oh and they're not in any way violent.

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Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence.
Reply #62 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:49pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:46pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:14pm:

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

we already pay out millions on this problem

BILLIONS ... and the only way to stop wasting that money is to stop the problem.

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

it doesnt stop anything though..

the stats keep growing....thats what I am saying..

Stats keep growing because we aren't providing enough resources. Education programmes, for one example, work Cods. Look at the decline in smoking rates compared to the 70's due to education aimed at the kids. Same with the safe sex adds (grim reaper) of the 80's, they worked. We haven't seen any safe sex adds for a long time and now aids is actually on the increase again in this country.

we are better off spending $100 now on education, than $1000 later on treatment

Another good post, John.

As an aside, I wonder how much violent movies, media, video games etc are impacting on our young men and teaching them to be violent?

You mean like Game of Thrones???

WELL, I CANNOT BRING MYSELF TO WATCH A SINGLE EPISODE ON A/C OF THE INJUSTICE AND VIOLENCE INVOLVED.

However, my husband and teenage twins are too scared to blink when they watch it....that's how obsessed they are with it! Angry

Please keep ON TOPIC or Cods will be along and give you a piece of her mind! Cheesy

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Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence.
Reply #63 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:51pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:42pm:

... wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:33pm:

Young men today are the softest theyve ever been, but their animal instincts can only be tamed or sublimated, not removed.

If i were to nominate the one main reason why violence persists, it'd be the obsession with "ending violence".

why? there is no such obsession in the middle east ... their DV rates are worse

I didn't say it makes it worse.

If you don't want violence to manifest, outlets need to provided.

Tame the aggression, don't try to oppress it, otherwise it just explodes at inappropriate times in inappropriate ways.

For every boy you try to scold or lecture into pacifism, a man is created who doesn't know how to control his aggression.

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Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence.
Reply #64 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:56pm

Neferti wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:49pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:46pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:18pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:14pm:

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

we already pay out millions on this problem

BILLIONS ... and the only way to stop wasting that money is to stop the problem.

cods wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

it doesnt stop anything though..

the stats keep growing....thats what I am saying..

Stats keep growing because we aren't providing enough resources. Education programmes, for one example, work Cods. Look at the decline in smoking rates compared to the 70's due to education aimed at the kids. Same with the safe sex adds (grim reaper) of the 80's, they worked. We haven't seen any safe sex adds for a long time and now aids is actually on the increase again in this country.

we are better off spending $100 now on education, than $1000 later on treatment

Another good post, John.

As an aside, I wonder how much violent movies, media, video games etc are impacting on our young men and teaching them to be violent?

You mean like Game of Thrones???

WELL, I CANNOT BRING MYSELF TO WATCH A SINGLE EPISODE ON A/C OF THE INJUSTICE AND VIOLENCE INVOLVED.

However, my husband and teenage twins are too scared to blink when they watch it....that's how obsessed they are with it! Angry

Please keep ON TOPIC or Cods will be along and give you a piece of her mind! Cheesy

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From Cod's OP :

"The decision to levy the funds from residents as opposed to finding the money in general revenue was taken to ensure there was a “locked-in, legislated, sustainable revenue source for this initiative” over time, Mr Barr said.

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews said in April he would consider a similar levy to fund all of the 227 recommendations made by a royal commission into family violence."

So it looks like Victoria will be next....ie NSW won't be far behind.

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Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence.
Reply #65 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:57pm

... wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:42pm:

... wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:33pm:

Young men today are the softest theyve ever been, but their animal instincts can only be tamed or sublimated, not removed.

If i were to nominate the one main reason why violence persists, it'd be the obsession with "ending violence".

why? there is no such obsession in the middle east ... their DV rates are worse

I didn't say it makes it worse.

If you don't want violence to manifest, outlets need to provided.

Tame the aggression, don't try to oppress it, otherwise it just explodes at inappropriate times in inappropriate ways.

For every boy you try to scold or lecture into pacifism, a man is created who doesn't know how to control his aggression.

Why do you think Rugby League exists?

I mean duh! Roll Eyes

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence. Reply #66 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 4:03pm Anyway, a big thanks to Cods for starting such a great topic. And a big thanks to everyone who's posted in here today. It was actually quite lovely sharing ideas/opinions without you know ....the usual carry on. I don't know about you but I'm impressed lol
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Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence.
Reply #67 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 4:31pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

... wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:42pm:

... wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:33pm:

Young men today are the softest theyve ever been, but their animal instincts can only be tamed or sublimated, not removed.

If i were to nominate the one main reason why violence persists, it'd be the obsession with "ending violence".

why? there is no such obsession in the middle east ... their DV rates are worse

I didn't say it makes it worse.

If you don't want violence to manifest, outlets need to provided.

Tame the aggression, don't try to oppress it, otherwise it just explodes at inappropriate times in inappropriate ways.

For every boy you try to scold or lecture into pacifism, a man is created who doesn't know how to control his aggression.

Why do you think Rugby League exists?

I mean duh! Roll Eyes

Exactly right.

But I think you'll find that not every boy plays rugby league.

I think you'll find that if any sport is played at school at all, it's been nerfed so much it bears little relation to the actual sport.

I think you'll find there's a growing number of boys who's mummy won't let them play sports because they're "too rough" and also a growing number of boys who don't want to play sport because (they say) it's "barbaric".

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Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence.
Reply #68 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 4:35pm

... wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

... wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:42pm:

... wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:33pm:

Young men today are the softest theyve ever been, but their animal instincts can only be tamed or sublimated, not removed.

If i were to nominate the one main reason why violence persists, it'd be the obsession with "ending violence".

why? there is no such obsession in the middle east ... their DV rates are worse

I didn't say it makes it worse.

If you don't want violence to manifest, outlets need to provided.

Tame the aggression, don't try to oppress it, otherwise it just explodes at inappropriate times in inappropriate ways.

For every boy you try to scold or lecture into pacifism, a man is created who doesn't know how to control his aggression.

Why do you think Rugby League exists?

I mean duh! Roll Eyes

Exactly right.

But I think you'll find that not every boy plays rugby league.

I think you'll find that if any sport is played at school at all, it's been nerfed so much it bears little relation to the actual sport.

I think you'll find there's a growing number of boys who's mummy won't let them play sports because they're "too rough" and also a growing number of boys who don't want to play sport because (they say) it's "barbaric".

Yes. Sportsmen are always very respectful of women and are never violent.

Rrrrrrrright.

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Wolseley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1453 Sydney Gender:	Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence. Reply #69 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 10:20pm Domestic violence is evil and has no place in our society, but it happens. The fight against domestic violence costs money. If this tax results in a reduction in domestic violence, it will be money well spent.
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40679 Gender:	Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence. Reply #70 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 10:40pm Maybe the alp will put a new tax in so we have good weather?
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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40679 Gender:	Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence. Reply #71 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 10:40pm Wolseley wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 10:20pm: Domestic violence is evil and has no place in our society, but it happens. The fight against domestic violence costs money. If this tax results in a reduction in domestic violence, it will be money well spent. it won't make a spot of difference.
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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10719 Gender:	Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence. Reply #72 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 10:56pm 85% of domestic violence is committed by Lib and Lab voters and supporters. It's proven beyond a doubt
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Reply #73 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:20pm

No one has asked the obvious questions:

what can make a man so angry that he can hit his wife -
the mother of his beloved children?

How can such a situation arise? -

there must be deeper reasons.

Why can people get so angry?

Did he have a shocking day at work where he was abused by his boss -
dealt with grid lock traffic -
& then came home to a bunch of screaming brat kids
& a nagging wife who is never happy no matter how hard he tries & works?
Something tips a man over the edge.

I don't apologise for men like that but something is terribly wrong & needs fixing in relationships like that.

Is it societies fault?

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Bias_2012 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10719 Gender:	Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence. Reply #74 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:34pm It's a lack of peer pressure throughout communities. Governments have taken over and run our lives - a recipe for disaster
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