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Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence.
Reply #75 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:42pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

Wolseley wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 10:20pm:

Domestic violence is evil and has no place in our society, but it happens. The fight against domestic violence costs money. If this tax results in a reduction in domestic violence, it will be money well spent.

it won't make a spot of difference.

Yes, it will, although ending violence against women isn’t something that will happen overnight. It involves changes in attitude and behaviour, and will take time and money. Education is the key. We need to impress upon future generations that all forms of violence are unacceptable and that men do not need to control or dominate women.

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Reply #76 - Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:44pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

Wolseley wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 10:20pm:

Domestic violence is evil and has no place in our society, but it happens. The fight against domestic violence costs money. If this tax results in a reduction in domestic violence, it will be money well spent.

it won't make a spot of difference.

Yes, it will, although ending violence against women isn’t something that will happen overnight. It involves changes in attitude and behaviour, and will take time and money. Education is the key. We need to impress upon future generations that all forms of violence are unacceptable and that men do not need to control or dominate women.

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Hoss Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 761 talbot victoria Gender:	Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence. Reply #77 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:23am HI ALL It will take a fundamental shift in human nature to fix this one. I grew up with domestic violence, and still suffer its effects today. Either we learn from the past or we Recreate the past. What Wolesely just wrote?
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Reply #78 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 8:19am

... wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 4:31pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

... wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:51pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:42pm:

... wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 3:33pm:

Young men today are the softest theyve ever been, but their animal instincts can only be tamed or sublimated, not removed.

If i were to nominate the one main reason why violence persists, it'd be the obsession with "ending violence".

why? there is no such obsession in the middle east ... their DV rates are worse

I didn't say it makes it worse.

If you don't want violence to manifest, outlets need to provided.

Tame the aggression, don't try to oppress it, otherwise it just explodes at inappropriate times in inappropriate ways.

For every boy you try to scold or lecture into pacifism, a man is created who doesn't know how to control his aggression.

Why do you think Rugby League exists?

I mean duh! Roll Eyes

Exactly right.

But I think you'll find that not every boy plays rugby league.

I think you'll find that if any sport is played at school at all, it's been nerfed so much it bears little relation to the actual sport.

I think you'll find there's a growing number of boys who's mummy won't let them play sports because they're "too rough" and also a growing number of boys who don't want to play sport because (they say) it's "barbaric".

Ah!

I'm one of those mums who won't let their sons play NRL.

But I do let them play soccer, tennis...etc.

(Same applies to my daughters).

SPORTS IS A MUST FOR ALL KIDS FROM THE GET GO.

ANY PARENT WHO DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THIS NEEDS TO GET THEIR HEAD CHECKED.

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Reply #79 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 8:32am

Wolseley wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:44pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

Wolseley wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 10:20pm:

Domestic violence is evil and has no place in our society, but it happens. The fight against domestic violence costs money. If this tax results in a reduction in domestic violence, it will be money well spent.

it won't make a spot of difference.

Yes, it will, although ending violence against women isn’t something that will happen overnight. It involves changes in attitude and behaviour, and will take time and money. Education is the key. We need to impress upon future generations that all forms of violence are unacceptable and that men do not need to control or dominate women.

Should we also impress anything upon women?

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence. Reply #80 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 8:37am Hoss wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 6:23am: HI ALL It will take a fundamental shift in human nature to fix this one. I grew up with domestic violence, and still suffer its effects today. Either we learn from the past or we Recreate the past. What Wolesely just wrote? Yep.
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Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence.
Reply #81 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 8:38am

... wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 8:32am:

Wolseley wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:44pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 10:40pm:

Wolseley wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 10:20pm:

Domestic violence is evil and has no place in our society, but it happens. The fight against domestic violence costs money. If this tax results in a reduction in domestic violence, it will be money well spent.

it won't make a spot of difference.

Yes, it will, although ending violence against women isn’t something that will happen overnight. It involves changes in attitude and behaviour, and will take time and money. Education is the key. We need to impress upon future generations that all forms of violence are unacceptable and that men do not need to control or dominate women.

Should we also impress anything upon women?

What do you actually mean by that?

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence. Reply #82 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 8:43am Just asking a question. The plans on offer so far seem to revolve around "teach men not to hit women". As ingenious as that plan is, do you think it's a complete solution?
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence. Reply #83 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 9:03am ... wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 8:43am: 1. Just asking a question. 2. The plans on offer so far seem to revolve around "teach men not to hit women". 3. As ingenious as that plan is, do you think it's a complete solution? 1. Ok. 2. It's not. 3. It's not.
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Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence.
Reply #84 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 9:40am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 8^th, 2016 at 11:20pm:

No one has asked the obvious questions:

what can make a man so angry that he can hit his wife -
the mother of his beloved children?

How can such a situation arise? -

there must be deeper reasons.

Why can people get so angry?

Did he have a shocking day at work where he was abused by his boss -
dealt with grid lock traffic -
& then came home to a bunch of screaming brat kids
& a nagging wife who is never happy no matter how hard he tries & works?
Something tips a man over the edge.

I don't apologise for men like that but something is terribly wrong & needs fixing in relationships like that.

Is it societies fault?

At the risk of getting another belting from Cods for going OT, my observation of men who are violent towards their partners is they're usually very controlling and often the jealous type.

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Reply #85 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 10:50am

... wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 8:43am:

Just asking a question.

The plans on offer so far seem to revolve around "teach men not to hit women".

As ingenious as that plan is, do you think it's a complete solution?

No, it won't make any difference.

DV is also committed equally if not more by women against men but all the blame goes against men.

The situation that people talk about is caused by the same factors that cause increased male suicide, increased men in jails ............ etc etc etc.

But no one cares for men.
So DV against women will be unchanged.

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Wolseley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1453 Sydney Gender:	Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence. Reply #86 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 12:43pm Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 10:50am: DV is also committed equally if not more by women against men but all the blame goes against men. Do you have anything to back up that claim? I doubt very much that violence by women against men is as frequent or as severe as violence by men against woman.
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Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence.
Reply #87 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 12:57pm

... wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 8:43am:

The plans on offer so far seem to revolve around "teach men not to hit women".

As ingenious as that plan is, do you think it's a complete solution?

No! The tax is. See, these nasty characters who hit their wife will definitely think twice before smacking her if they know they'll get smacked in their hip pocket!

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Re: a TAX will STOP domestic violence.
Reply #88 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 1:07pm

Wolseley wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 10:50am:

DV is also committed equally if not more by women against men but all the blame goes against men.

Do you have anything to back up that claim? I doubt very much that violence by women against men is as frequent or as severe as violence by men against woman.

There have been many studies to support that.
Violence need not be just physical.

women 'complain' better and get more 'support.'
When a man reports DV he is laughed at by the cops or his mates.

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Reply #89 - Jun 9^th, 2016 at 1:10pm

Wolseley wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 12:43pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 9^th, 2016 at 10:50am:

DV is also committed equally if not more by women against men but all the blame goes against men.

Do you have anything to back up that claim? I doubt very much that violence by women against men is as frequent or as severe as violence by men against woman.

I would not want to run into Lisa Jones on a dark night.

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