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Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws
Reply #180 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 1:13am

Panther wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 3:50pm:

Semi-Automatic Pistols or Rifles should never be allowed to be banned.

Banning either or both will not prevent crime, or eliminate murder by firearms.

Not banning either may also increase crime and murder by firearm. They seem to be the gun of choice on shooting sprees are they not? Your inane arguments are way past the point of tiresome.

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Reply #181 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 1:26am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 1:01am:

Mortdooley wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:51pm:

ian wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:12pm:

Is it possible for a mentally ill person to buy a firearm in the US?

It is just as easy as it is to buy illegal drugs and probably from the same culture. rifles.

I don't think that is the question Ian asked, Mort.

Let me modify it for him and you, to make it more specific.

"Is it possible for a mentally ill person to legally buy a firearm in the United States of America?"

I believe it is possible for a mentally ill person to purchase a firearm legally in the United States. How? Through a private sale. Roll Eyes

Then the answer is No, if you lie on the 4473 form you have broken the law.

https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

If you couldn't truthfully answer no to your mental state on the form then possession by any means is illegal, even if it is a private transfer or you become unstable.

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Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws
Reply #182 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 1:37am

Mortdooley wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 1:26am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 1:01am:

Mortdooley wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:51pm:

ian wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:12pm:

Is it possible for a mentally ill person to buy a firearm in the US?

It is just as easy as it is to buy illegal drugs and probably from the same culture. rifles.

I don't think that is the question Ian asked, Mort.

Let me modify it for him and you, to make it more specific.

"Is it possible for a mentally ill person to legally buy a firearm in the United States of America?"

I believe it is possible for a mentally ill person to purchase a firearm legally in the United States. How? Through a private sale. Roll Eyes

Then the answer is No, if you lie on the 4473 form you have broken the law.

https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

If you couldn't truthfully answer no to your mental state on the form then possession by any means is illegal, even if it is a private transfer or you become unstable.

Ah, but only a Federal Firearms License (FFL) holder (such as a gun shop) is required to have a filled in form 4473 at time of purchase.

A private individual is not. And it was from a private individual, say at a firearms show, that I was suggesting a mentally ill person could legally purchase a firearm. Am I correct, Mort?

I also think you're asking a lot from a mentally ill person for them not to lie on a 4473 if their illness is directing them towards committing a homocide with a firearm... Roll Eyes

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Reply #183 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 1:46am

That doesn't prove poo, mort and you know it. People lie all the time on background checks. For example, a person may have be institutionalized and still qualify for a gun unless he has been adjudicated by a judge that they cannot. The law can't even order a person in a mental asylum to adhere to their medication so how are they going to stop someone who has been in one (like yourself) from buying a firearm?

That's the same god damn loophole the NRA is fighting against. A person can just be released from a mental institution and walk into a gun show and give proper ID and purchase as many assault weapons as they wish. That is a fact since so many members of the NRA are severely mentally ill themselves.

Marijuana and stimulant "addiction" also has to be proven. Notice how it doesn't say anything about alcohol "addiction" since the liquor corporations are in bed with the NRA but I digress.

Bottom line is these background check questionnaires are outdated and biased. Yet the NRA is fighting to prevent them from been updated, too.

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Reply #184 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 3:46am

The word you are looking at is "Legal". No it is not legal even if it is a private sale. If you have a Texas drivers license and a Concealed Carry license you have already passed the background check so I would sell to you if we could agree on price. I would also make a bill of sale for both of us to protect myself if questioned by law enforcement in the future.

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Marla Gold Member Offline Weed is my Jesus Posts: 13722 Colorado Gender:	Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws Reply #185 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 3:55am Mortdooley wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 3:46am: I would also make a bill of sale for both of us to protect myself if questioned by law enforcement in the future. That's a given on any firearm sale, mort.
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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7149 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws Reply #186 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 4:03am No it is not required, I would just do it to cover my ass!
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Marla Gold Member Offline Weed is my Jesus Posts: 13722 Colorado Gender:	Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws Reply #187 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 4:22am As you should, Texuun. As you should.
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Reply #188 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 8:22am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 1:37am:

Mortdooley wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 1:26am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 1:01am:

Mortdooley wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:51pm:

ian wrote on Jun 21^st, 2016 at 11:12pm:

Is it possible for a mentally ill person to buy a firearm in the US?

It is just as easy as it is to buy illegal drugs and probably from the same culture. rifles.

I don't think that is the question Ian asked, Mort.

Let me modify it for him and you, to make it more specific.

"Is it possible for a mentally ill person to legally buy a firearm in the United States of America?"

I believe it is possible for a mentally ill person to purchase a firearm legally in the United States. How? Through a private sale. Roll Eyes

Then the answer is No, if you lie on the 4473 form you have broken the law.

https://www.atf.gov/file/61446/download

If you couldn't truthfully answer no to your mental state on the form then possession by any means is illegal, even if it is a private transfer or you become unstable.

Ah, but only a Federal Firearms License (FFL) holder (such as a gun shop) is required to have a filled in form 4473 at time of purchase.

A private individual is not. And it was from a private individual, say at a firearms show, that I was suggesting a mentally ill person could legally purchase a firearm. Am I correct, Mort?

I also think you're asking a lot from a mentally ill person for them not to lie on a 4473 if their illness is directing them towards committing a homocide with a firearm... Roll Eyes

The Parramatta shooter who killed Curtis Cheng was given his illegal pistol in a mosque.

Where did the Lindt siege offender get his gun that was banned 20 years ago Bwian?

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capitosinora Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2233 USA Florida Gender:	Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws Reply #189 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 9:05am This gun law is not crazy considering that America is under occupation and dictatorship.
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws Reply #190 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:22am capitosinora wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 9:05am: This gun law is not crazy considering that America is under occupation and dictatorship. Hahaha, this is crazy.
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capitosinora Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2233 USA Florida Gender:	Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws Reply #191 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 11:02am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:22am: capitosinora wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 9:05am: This gun law is not crazy considering that America is under occupation and dictatorship. Hahaha, this is crazy. What is crazy? America is not ruled by it's people but by dictatorship of Wall Street oligarchs.
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Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws
Reply #192 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 11:03am

capitosinora wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 11:02am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:22am:

capitosinora wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 9:05am:

This gun law is not crazy considering that America is under occupation and dictatorship.

Hahaha, this is crazy.

What is crazy?
America is not ruled by it's people but by dictatorship of Wall Street oligarchs.

Yep thats crazy.

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No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws
Reply #193 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 12:32pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 8:22am:

The Parramatta shooter who killed Curtis Cheng was given his illegal pistol in a mosque.

Where did the Lindt siege offender get his gun that was banned 20 years ago Bwian?

According the current inquest into the Lindt Siege, Baron, Man Monis' gun was:

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"The serial number indicates that the gun was of a kind manufactured overseas and frequently imported into America," counsel assisting the inquest Jeremy Gormly said.

"But American authorities indicate that the gun was not imported into that country."

Mr Gormly said after the gun was imported into Australia, it was probably sold by the Sydney gun wholesaler previously know as Fullers.

It was never registered, nor was it handed in during the compulsory gun buy-back in 1996 that followed the Port Arthur massacre.

However, the inquest heard that despite it ultimately being used for criminal purposes it did not come from the black market which produces many of the guns used by Sydney criminals.

Instead, Mr Gormly said it became part of Australia's "grey market", a collection of 250,000 fire arms that are generally used by sports shooters or farmers but has never been registered.

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So it appears once again, the legal firearm owners were responsible for Man Monis gaining access to a banned firearm, Baron. Funny that... Roll Eyes

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Reply #194 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 12:42pm

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NRA Statement on the Senate Voting Down Anti-Gun Bills

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Fairfax, Va.— The executive director of the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA), Chris W. Cox, today issued the following statement in response to political maneuvering in the United States Senate that prevented the passage of legislation to prohibit terrorists from obtaining firearms:

“Today, the American people witnessed an embarrassing display in the United States Senate. President Obama and his allies proved they are more interested in playing politics than addressing their failure to keep Americans safe from the threat of radical Islamic terrorism.

“We all agree that terrorists should not be allowed to purchase or possess firearms. We should all agree that law-abiding Americans who are wrongly put on a secret government list should not be denied their constitutional right to due process. These are not mutually exclusive ideas. It is shocking that the safety of the American people is taking a backseat to political theatre.

“We thank the majority of the senators for rejecting the gun control proposals of Senators Feinstein and Murphy. We applaud Senators Cornyn and Grassley for securing majorities for their common-sense proposals. We look forward to working with those interested in real solutions to keep the American people safe, including their right to defend themselves in the face of government failure."

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