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Reply #30 - Jun 15^th, 2016 at 11:13am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 14^th, 2016 at 9:43pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 5:20pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 5:17pm:

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Aussie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 4:56pm:

The NRA peddles guns on the basis that citizens need them to defend themselves. That is obviously and clearly working ..... self evident, isn't it?

& yet an insane terrorist had no trouble getting military weapons.

Yeas he did Bobby......but......where were the other people who ought to have been armed to the teeth to defend themselves with guns, as they have a right to says the NRA which opposes gun control so that citizens can be armed for self defence against this sort of attack.

I thought the night clubs had armed guards?

That club is a gun free zone, all these shootings tend to happen in the gun free zones.

Tend to or do?

If say 30% of the shootings took place elsewhere, IMHO you must use tend to. That applies to shootings, but if you define it as shootings where 3 or more victims were killed...not just shot at, the incidence within "Gun Free Zones" is even higher than 68%.

Tend To......my drug crazed equine....Tend to. The overwhelming majority
(you can look it up) of mass shootings by firearm in America took place in "Gun Free Zones"

Here is a short read you might find interesting, but by all means do your own research.

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Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws
Reply #31 - Jun 15^th, 2016 at 11:22am

Panther wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 14^th, 2016 at 9:43pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 5:31pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 5:20pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 5:17pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 5:05pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 13^th, 2016 at 4:56pm:

The NRA peddles guns on the basis that citizens need them to defend themselves. That is obviously and clearly working ..... self evident, isn't it?

& yet an insane terrorist had no trouble getting military weapons.

Yeas he did Bobby......but......where were the other people who ought to have been armed to the teeth to defend themselves with guns, as they have a right to says the NRA which opposes gun control so that citizens can be armed for self defence against this sort of attack.

I thought the night clubs had armed guards?

That club is a gun free zone, all these shootings tend to happen in the gun free zones.

Tend to or do?

Tend To......my drug crazed equine....Tend to. The overwhelming majority
(you can look it up) of mass shootings by firearm in America took place in "Gun Free Zones"

Here is a short read you might find interesting, but by all means do your own research.

I did

I found this

http://www.armedwithreason.com/debunking-the-gun-free-zone-myth-mass-murder-magn...

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Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws
Reply #33 - Jun 15^th, 2016 at 12:04pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 11:22am:

Panther wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 11:13am:

Tend To......my drug crazed equine....Tend to. The overwhelming majority
(you can look it up) of mass shootings by firearm in America took place in "Gun Free Zones"

Here is a short read you might find interesting, but by all means do your own research.

I did

I found this

http://www.armedwithreason.com/debunking-the-gun-free-zone-myth-mass-murder-magn...

So, you stopped there?......How convenient, but not out of character.

The internet is awash with dubious claims/postings by the Anti-Gun left that attempt to deny the verifiable facts about GFZs.

Why?

Simply because it knocks the Anti-Gunner's socks off, & they can't, as much as they wish they could, they can't rewrite history in order to refute the factual "Gun Free Zone" statistics.

That one you picked wasn't even their most creative.....you've disappointed me, I'd had thought you would have cherry picked the best.

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....In the Aurora case, the shooter gave no indication that the theater’s gun-free policy played a part in his motives......

Yet, the shooter passed up many other tempting targets, that weren't GFZs, singling out the only "Gun Free Zone" location of the lot....why?

Get the transcripts of the trial to get the broader picture, instead of the notes that were cherry picked by the defense.

The defense was attempting to keep him from going to trial for reasons of insanity, & making the judgment he did, choosing the "Gun Free Zone" location proved him, amongst other reasons of course, proved him able enough to stand trial.

For further information, they found scores of literature in his possession on how to claim insanity, & thereby avoid trial for murder, where I would suspect keeping a diary with bogus information to throw off prosecution, most probable......That's not a proven fact though, that's just my honest opinion.

Polling the actual jurors would be the only certain way to know for sure.

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Reply #34 - Jun 15^th, 2016 at 12:33pm

Panther wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

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The internet is awash with dubious claims/postings by the Anti-Gun left that attempt to deny the verifiable facts about GFZs.

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The internet is awash with dubious claims/postings by the pro-gun right that attempt to deny the verifiable facts about the benefits of gun control

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Reply #35 - Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:15pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 12:33pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

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The internet is awash with dubious claims/postings by the Anti-Gun left that attempt to deny the verifiable facts about GFZs.

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The internet is awash with dubious claims/postings by the pro-gun right that attempt to deny the verifiable facts about the benefits of gun control

Name one American Gun Control law that would have absolutely stopped the Islamic Terrorist Gay Shooter in Orlando?

One (1)......

If you can't, then author one & pass it on to an American Congressman, & make sure he earmarks it for immediate action, consideration, & passage so it can be enforced ASAP.

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Reply #36 - Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:17pm

Panther wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:15pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 12:33pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

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The internet is awash with dubious claims/postings by the Anti-Gun left that attempt to deny the verifiable facts about GFZs.

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The internet is awash with dubious claims/postings by the pro-gun right that attempt to deny the verifiable facts about the benefits of gun control

Name one American Gun Control law that would have absolutely stopped the Islamic Gay Shooter in Orlando?

One (1)......

If you can't, then author one & pass it on to an American Congressman, & make sure he earmarks it for immediate action, consideration, & passage so it can be enforced immediately.

Stopped him from what? Shooting 50 people? Easy, ban automatic weapons like the AR-15. WOuld he still have shot people, possibly, but not 50.

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Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws
Reply #38 - Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:23pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:15pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 12:33pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

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The internet is awash with dubious claims/postings by the Anti-Gun left that attempt to deny the verifiable facts about GFZs.

[/i][/font][/size]

The internet is awash with dubious claims/postings by the pro-gun right that attempt to deny the verifiable facts about the benefits of gun control

Name one American Gun Control law that would have absolutely stopped the Islamic Gay Shooter in Orlando?

One (1)......

If you can't, then author one & pass it on to an American Congressman, & make sure he earmarks it for immediate action, consideration, & passage so it can be enforced immediately.

Stopped him from what? Shooting 50 people? Easy, ban automatic weapons like the AR-15. WOuld he still have shot people, possibly, but not 50.

How can they do that?....the US Government doesn't even know how many AR15s are out there, much less who owns them & where they are. So decreeing a blanket ban on the AR15 wouldn't have stopped him if he wanted to get an AR15 to use.

BTW....they had a ban on AR15s (Semi-Automatic Rifles which are scarry) back in 1994......it didn't work, so they abandoned the law.

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The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) — officially, the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act — is a subsection of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, a United States federal law that included a prohibition on the manufacture for civilian use of certain semi-automatic firearms it defined as assault weapons, as well as certain ammunition magazines it defined as "large capacity."

The ten-year ban was passed by the U.S. Congress on September 13, 1994, and signed into law by President Bill Clinton the same day. The ban only applied to weapons manufactured after the date of the ban's enactment, and it expired on September 13, 2004, in accordance with its sunset provision.

Several constitutional challenges were filed against provisions of the ban, but all were rejected by reviewing courts. There were multiple attempts to renew the ban, but none succeeded.

So, I only blame myself for your failure here....try again, but this time us this:

Name one Realistic American Gun Control law that would have absolutely stopped the Islamic Gay Shooter in Orlando?

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Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws
Reply #39 - Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:26pm

Panther wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:23pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:15pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 12:33pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

.

The internet is awash with dubious claims/postings by the Anti-Gun left that attempt to deny the verifiable facts about GFZs.

[/i][/font][/size]

The internet is awash with dubious claims/postings by the pro-gun right that attempt to deny the verifiable facts about the benefits of gun control

Name one American Gun Control law that would have absolutely stopped the Islamic Gay Shooter in Orlando?

One (1)......

If you can't, then author one & pass it on to an American Congressman, & make sure he earmarks it for immediate action, consideration, & passage so it can be enforced immediately.

Stopped him from what? Shooting 50 people? Easy, ban automatic weapons like the AR-15. WOuld he still have shot people, possibly, but not 50.

How can they do that?....the US Government doesn't even know how many AR15s are out there, much less who owns them & where they are. So decreeing a blanket ban on the AR15 wouldn't have stopped him if he wanted to get an AR15 to use.

BTW....they had a ban on AR15s (Semi-Automatic Rifles which are scarry) back in 1994......it didn't work, so they abandoned the law.

So, I only blame myself for your failure here....try again, but this time us this:

Name one Realistic American Gun Control law that would have absolutely stopped the Islamic Gay Shooter in Orlando?

Ban semi-automatic weapons. Nothing you stated actually deflects from the argument. Agiain that left wing nutjob Bill O'Reilly agrees wiuth me, and even says Australia is an example.

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Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws
Reply #40 - Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:35pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:26pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:23pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:15pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 12:33pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

.

The internet is awash with dubious claims/postings by the Anti-Gun left that attempt to deny the verifiable facts about GFZs.

[/i][/font][/size]

The internet is awash with dubious claims/postings by the pro-gun right that attempt to deny the verifiable facts about the benefits of gun control

Name one American Gun Control law that would have absolutely stopped the Islamic Gay Shooter in Orlando?

One (1)......

If you can't, then author one & pass it on to an American Congressman, & make sure he earmarks it for immediate action, consideration, & passage so it can be enforced immediately.

Stopped him from what? Shooting 50 people? Easy, ban automatic weapons like the AR-15. WOuld he still have shot people, possibly, but not 50.

How can they do that?....the US Government doesn't even know how many AR15s are out there, much less who owns them & where they are. So decreeing a blanket ban on the AR15 wouldn't have stopped him if he wanted to get an AR15 to use.

BTW....they had a ban on AR15s (Semi-Automatic Rifles which are scarry) back in 1994......it didn't work, so they abandoned the law.

So, I only blame myself for your failure here....try again, but this time us this:

Name one Realistic American Gun Control law that would have absolutely stopped the Islamic Gay Shooter in Orlando?

Ban semi-automatic weapons. Nothing you stated actually deflects from the argument. Agiain that left wing nutjob Bill O'Reilly agrees wiuth me, and even says Australia is an example.

So, lets say there are 8 million AR15s out there (as good a number as any because nobody really knows....not even Bill O'Rielly), & you introduce, pass, & enforce your ban immediately. Your counting on all criminals & all law abiding Americans to conform with your law immediately. Thats the REALISTIC law you propose?

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Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws
Reply #41 - Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:36pm

Panther wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:35pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:26pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:23pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:17pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:15pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 12:33pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 12:04pm:

.

The internet is awash with dubious claims/postings by the Anti-Gun left that attempt to deny the verifiable facts about GFZs.

[/i][/font][/size]

The internet is awash with dubious claims/postings by the pro-gun right that attempt to deny the verifiable facts about the benefits of gun control

Name one American Gun Control law that would have absolutely stopped the Islamic Gay Shooter in Orlando?

One (1)......

If you can't, then author one & pass it on to an American Congressman, & make sure he earmarks it for immediate action, consideration, & passage so it can be enforced immediately.

Stopped him from what? Shooting 50 people? Easy, ban automatic weapons like the AR-15. WOuld he still have shot people, possibly, but not 50.

How can they do that?....the US Government doesn't even know how many AR15s are out there, much less who owns them & where they are. So decreeing a blanket ban on the AR15 wouldn't have stopped him if he wanted to get an AR15 to use.

BTW....they had a ban on AR15s (Semi-Automatic Rifles which are scarry) back in 1994......it didn't work, so they abandoned the law.

So, I only blame myself for your failure here....try again, but this time us this:

Name one Realistic American Gun Control law that would have absolutely stopped the Islamic Gay Shooter in Orlando?

Ban semi-automatic weapons. Nothing you stated actually deflects from the argument. Agiain that left wing nutjob Bill O'Reilly agrees wiuth me, and even says Australia is an example.

So, lets say there are 8 million AR15s out there (as good a number as any because nobody really knows....not even Bill O'Rielly), & you introduce, pass, & enforce your ban immediately. Your counting on all criminals & all law abiding Americans to conform with your law immediately. Thats the REALISTIC law you propose?

Yes. WOrked here didn't it. Or are you saying Americans are so criminally minded they will keep them for nefarious purposes.

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Reply #42 - Jun 15^th, 2016 at 3:04pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 15^th, 2016 at 2:36pm: