What do atheists do with the NRA

Look, all of these arguments are moot.   I read a report somewhere, that there are more than 15 million similar rifles that was used in the Orlando shooting circulating in USA.   There is NO way, that any gun control measures will be effective anyway.  The ship had sailed.   The only way forward is not restricting firearms to good law abiding citizens. 

I am by no means pro gun, I am always the view that civilians should not have any firearms except in very few situations. e.g. Farmers, sports / recreation / business etc.    But the case in USA is unique and require a common sense and practical approach. 

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 1:02pm:


Couldn't agree more.  I've long argued that what the US needs is not more gun laws but enforcing the laws that already exist, as they were written.   Take the gun issue away from the states and give it to the federal government, is a good suggestion.   Have universal gun laws right across the USA.   It's biggest problem is the patchwork nature of the existing gun laws and of course, the second amendment.   You can't get rid of it but you can regulate it more effectively.   Make all gun owners take a minimum safety course.  Enforce a minimum age for gun use and ownership.   Get rid of all the semi-automatic longarms and shotguns and limit the size of the magazines that can be sold for semi-automatic pistols.

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 1:12pm:


The 2nd amendment can be regulated and regulation has been effective and accepted, even by the NRA.   All you have to do is not threaten the right to ownership of "a firearm".  What you do is regulate the type of firearm that can be owned and the conditions under which it can be owned.   Give everybody a period in which they can do their safety course and hand in their (now) illegal firearm.  Make it generous.  Advertise the penalties if people fail to comply.  Advertise the advantages if they do comply.

Then move the normal police in and confiscate all now illegal firearms.   If they fail to carry out their orders, sack them and replace them with people who will.   Simples.   

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 1:07pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 2:37pm:




Of course not, how else would he purchase guns

Panther wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 2:49pm:


However, that does not cover a potential Terrorist who purchases his firearm legally in one state from transporting his firearm to another state legally, now does it, Panther?

I am interested though, why someone who has been "dishonourably discharged" from the armed forces of the United States is disbarred from transporting firearms across a state border?   Seems a trifle hard to me.   Just another of those strange and incomprehensible and contradictory laws the US abounds in (not that there is anything wrong with that).

Why not make the laws uniform?   It would not necessitate the removal of the states' rights to make the laws, it just ensures that they are uniform across your nation, from end to end.   Surely, uniform firearms legislation would be to the benefit of firearms owners who travel?  There would be no mystery to taking their firearms across the nation nor would they be required to seek out what the differences in the laws are, now would they?

Most all of it is in plain English, no wild ass referrals from section to section to sub-part clauses mumbo-jumbo (what I call legalese)....& no legal background to understand it's basic precepts....the first 10 amendments for the most part. Wink




Surely the fact that it has to be interpreted hundreds of years after it was written, means it isn't in plain english