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Reply #255 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 11:55pm

Panther wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 6:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 6:24pm:

"Lies"? They "knowingly told an untruth"? You have evidence of that...... Really?

With the power of Free Speech & Free Press comes the responsibility to take great care that what they speak of, & what they publish is true, & not merely a right to abuse the truth to further a corrupt agenda.

Will they retract those falsehoods, or will they grasp tight around their anti-gun agendas forsaking honesty?

I submit they lack the character & integrity necessary to set the record straight.

There is no "record to set straight", except in the Baron's perverse mind... Roll Eyes

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Reply #256 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 11:57pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 11:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 9:49pm:

Americans are crazy, Panther, simple as that.

Did your muslim friends tell you that lie bwian?

Nope. I worked it all out by myself, Baron.

Hows your understanding of the Academic paper's title going? You know, the one that finished it's study in 2013, the year before the Lockhart shooting? Roll Eyes

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Reply #257 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 12:09am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 11:57pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 11:00pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 9:49pm:

Americans are crazy, Panther, simple as that.

Did your muslim friends tell you that lie bwian?

Nope. I worked it all out by myself, Baron.

Hows your understanding of the Academic paper's title going? You know, the one that finished it's study in 2013, the year before the Lockhart shooting? Roll Eyes

In the conclusions part of that paper it says no mass shootings from 1996 to may 2016, have you read your link bwian

The paper is telling lies even you conceded Lockhart was a mass shooting.

I see why your forum is empty again, the people leave when they see what a dopey dim wit you are

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Reply #258 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:55am

Panther wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 5:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 4:01pm:

So, basically what you're saying is that the lives of your fellow Americans don't matter compared to the supposed freedom you enjoy to acquire and use a firearm? Nice. Roll Eyes

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
...... Thomas Jefferson 1787

By those words above from the author of the Declaration of Independence, & contributing author to parts of the U.S. Constitution, I guess you could glean an answer as good as any.

Heavy hearts notwithstanding, Americans will still carry the banner of Freedom & Liberty high regardless of, & in spite of, the cost.

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Americans are willing to die for their Freedom & Liberty

What would you be willing to die for Brian?

Americans are willing to die for their Freedom & Liberty -

& over 30,000 of them die every year from guns.

That's the equivalent of ten 9/11 s every year.

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Reply #259 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:55am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:55am:

Panther wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 5:45pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 4:01pm:

So, basically what you're saying is that the lives of your fellow Americans don't matter compared to the supposed freedom you enjoy to acquire and use a firearm? Nice. Roll Eyes

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
...... Thomas Jefferson 1787

By those words above from the author of the Declaration of Independence, & contributing author to parts of the U.S. Constitution, I guess you could glean an answer as good as any.

Heavy hearts notwithstanding, Americans will still carry the banner of Freedom & Liberty high regardless of, & in spite of, the cost.

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Americans are willing to die for their Freedom & Liberty

What would you be willing to die for Brian?

Americans are willing to die for their Freedom & Liberty -

& over 30,000 of them die every year from guns.

That's the equivalent of ten 9/11 s every year.

Around 20,000 of them are suicides bobby.

Over 35,000 are killed on American roads every year, the 4th amendment is why they can't have RBT units.

Over 36,000 die from accidental poisoning every year in the USA

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Mortdooley Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6965 Texas Gulf Coast Gender:	Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws Reply #260 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:21am 100,000 Americans die each year from medical mistakes!
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38511 Gender:	Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws Reply #261 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:23am Mortdooley wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:21am: 100,000 Americans die each year from medical mistakes! What do you think of that? Should something be done about it, or is it best ignored.
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Reply #262 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:57am

I'll re-post this again to enlighten those that are unfamiliar with American Firearm statistics.

Rather than discuss number counts, this will give you a percentage to ponder:

Take all deaths, from all causes in America, & then figure what percentage of those were gun related homicides/murders.

According to the United Nations, 2,473,018 people died in the United States in 2008.

That comes to 6,775 people per day died in America that year.

Of those 2,473,018 deaths from all causes 12,200 were gun related homicides, or 0.0049332435105608% (less than 1/2 of 1% of all deaths)

http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/vitstats/serATab3.pdf

According to the CDC ... Center for Disease Control, in the U.S.A. 2,596,993 people died from all causes in 2013.

That comes to 7,115 people per day died in America that year.

Of those 2,596,993 people who died that year, 10,700 were gun related homicides, or 0.0041201497270112% (again, less than 1/2 of 1% of all deaths)

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

The percentage of gun related homicides in America has been steadily dropping too, as noted, to a 51 year low. That's a good thing.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40709	Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws Reply #263 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:28pm Mortdooley wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:21am: 100,000 Americans die each year from medical mistakes! Perhaps they should ban modern medicine then in America?
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Reply #264 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:37pm

Panther wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:57am:

I'll re-post this again to enlighten those that are unfamiliar with American Firearm statistics.

Rather than discuss number counts, this will give you a percentage to ponder:[/i][/font][/size]

Take all deaths, from all causes in America, & then figure what percentage of those were gun related homicides/murders.

According to the United Nations, 2,473,018 people died in the United States in 2008.

That comes to 6,775 people per day died in America that year.

Of those 2,473,018 deaths from all causes 12,200 were gun related homicides, or 0.0049332435105608% (less than 1/2 of 1% of all deaths)

http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/vitstats/serATab3.pdf

According to the CDC ... Center for Disease Control, in the U.S.A. 2,596,993 people died from all causes in 2013.

That comes to 7,115 people per day died in America that year.

Of those 2,596,993 people who died that year, 10,700 were gun related homicides, or 0.0041201497270112% (again, less than 1/2 of 1% of all deaths)

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

The percentage of gun related homicides in America has been steadily dropping too, as noted, to a 51 year low. That's a good thing.

Well, apart from the fact that the UN gets its statistics from it's member states (ie the USA), I believe you're misreporting the number of gun related deaths in the United States by quite a large margin. You've instead chosen to discuss gun related homicides. Which is naughty of you panther.

The number of gun related deaths in 2011/2013/2014 was:
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Country Total Method of Calculation Homicides Suicides Unintentional Undetermined Sources and notes
[...]
Australia 0.93 (2013) 0.16 (2013) 0.74 (2013) 0.02 (2013) 0.02 (2013) Guns in Australia[3]
[...]
United Kingdom 0.23 (2011) 0.06 (2011) 0.15 (2011) 0.00 (2011) 0.02 (2011) Guns in the United Kingdom[71]
United States 10.54 (2014) 3.43 (2014) 6.69 (2014) 0.18 (2014) 0.08 (2014) Guns in United States[72]

[Source]

Note that Australia and the UK, where strict gun regulation is in force has substantially fewer gun related deaths than the US where there is little gun regulation.

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Reply #265 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:10pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:37pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:57am:

I'll re-post this again to enlighten those that are unfamiliar with American Firearm statistics.

Rather than discuss number counts, this will give you a percentage to ponder:[/i][/font][/size]

Take all deaths, from all causes in America, & then figure what percentage of those were gun related homicides/murders.

According to the United Nations, 2,473,018 people died in the United States in 2008.

That comes to 6,775 people per day died in America that year.

Of those 2,473,018 deaths from all causes 12,200 were gun related homicides, or 0.0049332435105608% (less than 1/2 of 1% of all deaths)

http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/vitstats/serATab3.pdf

According to the CDC ... Center for Disease Control, in the U.S.A. 2,596,993 people died from all causes in 2013.

That comes to 7,115 people per day died in America that year.

Of those 2,596,993 people who died that year, 10,700 were gun related homicides, or 0.0041201497270112% (again, less than 1/2 of 1% of all deaths)

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

The percentage of gun related homicides in America has been steadily dropping too, as noted, to a 51 year low. That's a good thing.

Well, apart from the fact that the UN gets its statistics from it's member states (ie the USA), I believe you're misreporting the number of gun related deaths in the United States by quite a large margin. You've instead chosen to discuss gun related homicides. Which is naughty of you panther.

The number of gun related deaths in 2011/2013/2014 was:
Quote:

Country Total Method of Calculation Homicides Suicides Unintentional Undetermined Sources and notes
[...]
Australia 0.93 (2013) 0.16 (2013) 0.74 (2013) 0.02 (2013) 0.02 (2013) Guns in Australia[3]
[...]
United Kingdom 0.23 (2011) 0.06 (2011) 0.15 (2011) 0.00 (2011) 0.02 (2011) Guns in the United Kingdom[71]
United States 10.54 (2014) 3.43 (2014) 6.69 (2014) 0.18 (2014) 0.08 (2014) Guns in United States[72]

[Source]

Note that Australia and the UK, where strict gun regulation is in force has substantially fewer gun related deaths than the US where there is little gun regulation.

Well, that's sweet, but as you already know, the UKs & our laws would be totally illegal in the USA unless the US Constitution was massively Amended/Re-written, including the removal of the Second Amendment, which then would have to be replaced with another re-worded Amendment.

Brian, with your charm & charisma I'm sure you could sweet-talk the Americans into voiding all their rights single handedly, & then spend the next 10 to 15 years trashing & rewriting there most cherished document in the hopes of maybe/possibly saving some lives (less than 1% of all deaths every year).

Let me know how you fare. I'd check on witness protection before you start though. Some may not see it quite your way

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Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws
Reply #266 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:20pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 4:37pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:57am:

I'll re-post this again to enlighten those that are unfamiliar with American Firearm statistics.

Rather than discuss number counts, this will give you a percentage to ponder:[/i][/font][/size]

Take all deaths, from all causes in America, & then figure what percentage of those were gun related homicides/murders.

According to the United Nations, 2,473,018 people died in the United States in 2008.

That comes to 6,775 people per day died in America that year.

Of those 2,473,018 deaths from all causes 12,200 were gun related homicides, or 0.0049332435105608% (less than 1/2 of 1% of all deaths)

http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/vitstats/serATab3.pdf

According to the CDC ... Center for Disease Control, in the U.S.A. 2,596,993 people died from all causes in 2013.

That comes to 7,115 people per day died in America that year.

Of those 2,596,993 people who died that year, 10,700 were gun related homicides, or 0.0041201497270112% (again, less than 1/2 of 1% of all deaths)

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

The percentage of gun related homicides in America has been steadily dropping too, as noted, to a 51 year low. That's a good thing.

Well, apart from the fact that the UN gets its statistics from it's member states (ie the USA), I believe you're misreporting the number of gun related deaths in the United States by quite a large margin. You've instead chosen to discuss gun related homicides. Which is naughty of you panther.

The number of gun related deaths in 2011/2013/2014 was:
Quote:

Country Total Method of Calculation Homicides Suicides Unintentional Undetermined Sources and notes
[...]
Australia 0.93 (2013) 0.16 (2013) 0.74 (2013) 0.02 (2013) 0.02 (2013) Guns in Australia[3]
[...]
United Kingdom 0.23 (2011) 0.06 (2011) 0.15 (2011) 0.00 (2011) 0.02 (2011) Guns in the United Kingdom[71]
United States 10.54 (2014) 3.43 (2014) 6.69 (2014) 0.18 (2014) 0.08 (2014) Guns in United States[72]

[Source]

Note that Australia and the UK, where strict gun regulation is in force has substantially fewer gun related deaths than the US where there is little gun regulation.

If you were an academics asshole you would know wiki is not a credible source bwian.

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Reply #267 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:29pm

Panther wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

Well, that's sweet, but as you already know, the UKs & our laws would be totally illegal in the USA unless the US Constitution was massively Amended/Re-written, including the removal of the Second Amendment, which then would have to be replaced with another re-worded Amendment.

Not my problem, Panther. It is the Americans'. They have gotten themselves into this silly position, I have offered an alternative and it is one that works. Limit gun ownership and the number of mass shootings decreases radically. QED.

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Brian, with your charm & charisma I'm sure you could sweet-talk the Americans into voiding all their rights single handedly, & then spend the next 10 to 15 years trashing & rewriting there most cherished document in the hopes of maybe/possibly saving some lives (less than 1% of all deaths every year).

Percentages are deceptive, Panther. Why not use the real, live numbers? Afraid to?

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Let me know how you fare. I'd check on witness protection before you start though. Some may not see it quite your way Wink

I am not worried. I have been threatened with death before by American gun nuts. Roll Eyes

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74183 Gender:	Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws Reply #268 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:56pm Mortdooley wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:21am: 100,000 Americans die each year from medical mistakes! that's what happens when you put profit before people ... they need to socialise their health system, Next.
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Panther Gold Member Offline My Heart beats True for the Red White & Blue... Posts: 11316 Gender:	Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws Reply #269 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:56pm Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:29pm: I am not worried. I have been threatened with death before by American gun nuts. I was talking tongue in cheek, but the 'gun nuts' (as you call them) the American 'gun nuts' I've known don't threaten.....actions speak much louder than words.
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