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Reply #75 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 10:41am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 19th, 2016 at 10:32am:
John Smith wrote on Jun 19th, 2016 at 9:17am:
and in the meantime, during his 15 hr speech, another 48 people were shot across the USA

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/16/11952166/filibuster-gun-control-shootings



The states with the toughest gun laws had the most shootings, is that supposed to be an example of how gun laws work?

Chicago has tough gun laws to go with their high crime rates, I guess black lives only matter when white people are shooting them.
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Blacks have a 6-7 times higher homicide rate than white man, Senator Allen West said blacks kill more blacks every six months than what the KKK could do in 83 years.




Every time a gun law goes into effect, one thing is guaranteed........There will be more violent crime.


When criminals know that people probably aren't armed, they become more suitable targets for violent crime.

Criminals don't like people being able to shoot at them.....matter in fact they are more afraid of armed citizens than they are of armed police.....& that's a fact you can bank on.

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Reply #76 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 10:49am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 17th, 2016 at 9:41pm:
Panther wrote on Jun 17th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

Ok.....am I missing something....what do you mean? I disagree with that you've been taught, so I'm a threat....so it's time for names?

Is that what you mean, because I am very serious about what I've said....I've seen what's out there, & Bobby.....it's dangerous....more dangerous than you say, & obviously have come to know if you honestly believe it. (a guess on my part).

BTW.....I know what a Troll is on the internet....in forums.....but somehow I think you might have another meaning for the word. No?







The mass murderer in Orlando was able to buy a military type
weapon from a local gun shop.
We can't do that here.

It's as simple as that.


Well maybe Australians should agitate for more guns to meet global political climate...eh? Simple as that!
Personally I prefer to live in a community that has lots of guns - I trust my neighbors, I do not trust psychopathic Government.
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Reply #77 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 10:53am
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 17th, 2016 at 9:41pm:
Panther wrote on Jun 17th, 2016 at 9:32pm:

Ok.....am I missing something....what do you mean? I disagree with that you've been taught, so I'm a threat....so it's time for names?

Is that what you mean, because I am very serious about what I've said....I've seen what's out there, & Bobby.....it's dangerous....more dangerous than you say, & obviously have come to know if you honestly believe it. (a guess on my part).

BTW.....I know what a Troll is on the internet....in forums.....but somehow I think you might have another meaning for the word. No?







The mass murderer in Orlando was able to buy a military type
weapon from a local gun shop.
We can't do that here.

It's as simple as that.


We can buy military type rifles here, Qld changed the law in 2012 allowing landowners to have one Cat D license with 2 Cat D firearms.
There have been no mass shootings in Qld since they reversed the ban on semi auto centrefire.

Check out the Cat C and D Firearms available in Australia bobby, they have a Colt AR15 for sale-
cleaverfirearms.com

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Reply #78 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 11:12am
 
In Australia the authorities tell us to be a good victim and comply with the demands criminals make.

Watch how fast these criminals run when an old man with a gun doesn't comply with their demands
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Reply #79 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 11:40am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12th, 2016 at 1:32pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 12th, 2016 at 1:13pm:
NRA opposes expanding firearm background check systems, because background checks don’t stop serious criminals from getting guns and because NRA opposes gun registration.

https://www.nraila.org/issues/background-checksnics/

Clearly the NRA prefers to defend it's ideology rather than save lives


The USA has 3-4 times higher death rate from motor vehicles compared to firearm homcides, nobody talks about violating their 4th amendment rights to bring in Random Drug and Alcohol testing like we have to reduce road deaths.
RBT and drug testing violates their 4th amendment which is why they don't have it.

The USA would save far more lives by violating their 4th amendment rights.

New Zealand abolished long gun registration in 1982 the police said it cannot prevent or solve gun crimes, Canada abolished long gun registration after spending $2 billion on it saying it cannot solve or prevent gun crimes.
Canada and New Zealand abolished long gun registration yet the NRA get singled out for opposing what the Canadians described as a massive waste of money that could have been better spent putting more police on the streets.

Background checks don't stop criminals from getting guns, the Lindt and Parramatta- Paris shooters didn't have any trouble getting guns.

The Americans should enforce the laws they already have-
Quote:

California unable to disarm 19,700 felons and mentally ill people

California authorities are empowered to seize weapons owned by convicted felons and people with mental illness, but staff shortages and funding cuts have left a backlog of more than 19,700 people to disarm.
articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/29/local/la-me-California-guns-20130130





The USA has 3-4 times higher death rate from motor vehicles compared to firearm homcides, nobody talks about violating their 4th amendment rights to bring in Random Drug and Alcohol testing


No problem do both at the same time and save more lives.
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Reply #80 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 11:43am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 19th, 2016 at 11:12am:
In Australia the authorities tell us to be a good victim and comply with the demands criminals make.

Watch how fast these criminals run when an old man with a gun doesn't comply with their demands



Good find!!! So true..... ...

Tough Criminals become whimpering cowards   ...   when confronted with the same choices they give their victims!
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Reply #81 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 11:52am
 
Dnarever wrote on Jun 19th, 2016 at 11:40am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12th, 2016 at 1:32pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 12th, 2016 at 1:13pm:
NRA opposes expanding firearm background check systems, because background checks don’t stop serious criminals from getting guns and because NRA opposes gun registration.

https://www.nraila.org/issues/background-checksnics/

Clearly the NRA prefers to defend it's ideology rather than save lives


The USA has 3-4 times higher death rate from motor vehicles compared to firearm homcides, nobody talks about violating their 4th amendment rights to bring in Random Drug and Alcohol testing like we have to reduce road deaths.
RBT and drug testing violates their 4th amendment which is why they don't have it.

The USA would save far more lives by violating their 4th amendment rights.

New Zealand abolished long gun registration in 1982 the police said it cannot prevent or solve gun crimes, Canada abolished long gun registration after spending $2 billion on it saying it cannot solve or prevent gun crimes.
Canada and New Zealand abolished long gun registration yet the NRA get singled out for opposing what the Canadians described as a massive waste of money that could have been better spent putting more police on the streets.

Background checks don't stop criminals from getting guns, the Lindt and Parramatta- Paris shooters didn't have any trouble getting guns.

The Americans should enforce the laws they already have-
Quote:

California unable to disarm 19,700 felons and mentally ill people

California authorities are empowered to seize weapons owned by convicted felons and people with mental illness, but staff shortages and funding cuts have left a backlog of more than 19,700 people to disarm.
articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/29/local/la-me-California-guns-20130130





The USA has 3-4 times higher death rate from motor vehicles compared to firearm homcides, nobody talks about violating their 4th amendment rights to bring in Random Drug and Alcohol testing


No problem do both at the same time and save more lives.



In safety-sensitive work places random drug & alcohol testing should be ok....to a degree......but anywhere else, if someone is being tracked for erratic behavior behind the wheel I don't think there would be many Americans who would argue & protest with drug & alcohol testing.

That said, as I've always believed, random testing without a reasonable suspicion of criminal behavior should be completely banned & eradicated if implemented, & if not yet introduced, fought at every quarter. I think long lines of cars pulled over for random testing without any reasonable suspicion of wrongdoing is a National Disgrace,  no better than Nazi Germany in 1939.

Life without freedom is an empty life.........life at the will of government guarantees a life of cower & submission, not liberty.

Without firearms for self-defense, the biggest enemy in America would eventually become government, who will seek to control them & their families at every turn, & they would be helpless to stop them.

Embrace Freedom & Liberty..........Americans should never submit!
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Reply #82 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 11:57am
 
Panther wrote on Jun 19th, 2016 at 11:52am:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 19th, 2016 at 11:40am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12th, 2016 at 1:32pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 12th, 2016 at 1:13pm:
NRA opposes expanding firearm background check systems, because background checks don’t stop serious criminals from getting guns and because NRA opposes gun registration.

https://www.nraila.org/issues/background-checksnics/

Clearly the NRA prefers to defend it's ideology rather than save lives


The USA has 3-4 times higher death rate from motor vehicles compared to firearm homcides, nobody talks about violating their 4th amendment rights to bring in Random Drug and Alcohol testing like we have to reduce road deaths.
RBT and drug testing violates their 4th amendment which is why they don't have it.

The USA would save far more lives by violating their 4th amendment rights.

New Zealand abolished long gun registration in 1982 the police said it cannot prevent or solve gun crimes, Canada abolished long gun registration after spending $2 billion on it saying it cannot solve or prevent gun crimes.
Canada and New Zealand abolished long gun registration yet the NRA get singled out for opposing what the Canadians described as a massive waste of money that could have been better spent putting more police on the streets.

Background checks don't stop criminals from getting guns, the Lindt and Parramatta- Paris shooters didn't have any trouble getting guns.

The Americans should enforce the laws they already have-
Quote:

California unable to disarm 19,700 felons and mentally ill people

California authorities are empowered to seize weapons owned by convicted felons and people with mental illness, but staff shortages and funding cuts have left a backlog of more than 19,700 people to disarm.
articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/29/local/la-me-California-guns-20130130





The USA has 3-4 times higher death rate from motor vehicles compared to firearm homcides, nobody talks about violating their 4th amendment rights to bring in Random Drug and Alcohol testing


No problem do both at the same time and save more lives.


Life without freedom is an empty life.........life at the will of government guarantees a life of cower & submission, not liberty.

Without firearms for self-defense, the biggest enemy becomes government, who will seek to control you & your family at every turn, & you will be helpless to stop them.

Embrace Freedom & Liberty..........Never submit!


Guns provide no defence against government nor do they have anything to do with freedom ? Rather makes the whole assertion invalid.
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Reply #83 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 12:30pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Jun 19th, 2016 at 11:57am:
Panther wrote on Jun 19th, 2016 at 11:52am:
Dnarever wrote on Jun 19th, 2016 at 11:40am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 12th, 2016 at 1:32pm:
The_Barnacle wrote on Jun 12th, 2016 at 1:13pm:
NRA opposes expanding firearm background check systems, because background checks don’t stop serious criminals from getting guns and because NRA opposes gun registration.

https://www.nraila.org/issues/background-checksnics/

Clearly the NRA prefers to defend it's ideology rather than save lives


The USA has 3-4 times higher death rate from motor vehicles compared to firearm homcides, nobody talks about violating their 4th amendment rights to bring in Random Drug and Alcohol testing like we have to reduce road deaths.
RBT and drug testing violates their 4th amendment which is why they don't have it.

The USA would save far more lives by violating their 4th amendment rights.

New Zealand abolished long gun registration in 1982 the police said it cannot prevent or solve gun crimes, Canada abolished long gun registration after spending $2 billion on it saying it cannot solve or prevent gun crimes.
Canada and New Zealand abolished long gun registration yet the NRA get singled out for opposing what the Canadians described as a massive waste of money that could have been better spent putting more police on the streets.

Background checks don't stop criminals from getting guns, the Lindt and Parramatta- Paris shooters didn't have any trouble getting guns.

The Americans should enforce the laws they already have-
Quote:

California unable to disarm 19,700 felons and mentally ill people

California authorities are empowered to seize weapons owned by convicted felons and people with mental illness, but staff shortages and funding cuts have left a backlog of more than 19,700 people to disarm.
articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/29/local/la-me-California-guns-20130130





The USA has 3-4 times higher death rate from motor vehicles compared to firearm homcides, nobody talks about violating their 4th amendment rights to bring in Random Drug and Alcohol testing


No problem do both at the same time and save more lives.


Life without freedom is an empty life.........life at the will of government guarantees a life of cower & submission, not liberty.

Without firearms for self-defense, the biggest enemy becomes government, who will seek to control you & your family at every turn, & you will be helpless to stop them.

Embrace Freedom & Liberty..........Never submit!


Guns provide no defence against government nor do they have anything to do with freedom ? Rather makes the whole assertion invalid.


In America guns are the only thing between the people's Constitutional Rights, & a tyrannical government. The first 10 Amendments of the US Constitution is the Bill of Rights. The second amendment instructs government that they must not infringe upon the people's right....their Natural Right....to self-defense.....the government is forbidden to infringe upon the right ot keep & bear arms.

Without that right, how then would Americans be able to defend all the other 9 guaranteed rights from being taken away from them by a tyrannical government?

The Founding Fathers intended Americans to be able to defend their rights if necessary....with weapons....firearms. And if government disobeys their directives within the Constitution, the people will then have the power & right to rise up & overthrow such a government, & replace it with one of their liking as described by the Founding Fathers.

The US Constitution tells government what it must do, & what it is forbidden to do.

The US Constitution does not provide government with the strength to rule.....it merely permits government to govern by strict rules as prescribed within it, in the service of, & only at the service of, the people.

The US Constitution is the Law of the Land. All laws must pass the test of Constitutionality or they aren't laws in America........full stop.
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Re: Crazy Yanky gun laws
Reply #84 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 12:33pm
 
Panther wrote on Jun 19th, 2016 at 11:43am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 19th, 2016 at 11:12am:
In Australia the authorities tell us to be a good victim and comply with the demands criminals make.

Watch how fast these criminals run when an old man with a gun doesn't comply with their demands



Good find!!! So true..... https://i.imgsafe.org/920fbda.gif

Tough Criminals become whimpering cowards   https://i.imgsafe.org/4ef35f2.gif   when confronted with the same choices they give their victims!
   



Unfortunately it didn't work at Orlando.

The murderer shot the armed guards at the entrance.
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Reply #85 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 12:42pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 19th, 2016 at 12:33pm:
Panther wrote on Jun 19th, 2016 at 11:43am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 19th, 2016 at 11:12am:
In Australia the authorities tell us to be a good victim and comply with the demands criminals make.

Watch how fast these criminals run when an old man with a gun doesn't comply with their demands



Good find!!! So true..... https://i.imgsafe.org/920fbda.gif

Tough Criminals become whimpering cowards   https://i.imgsafe.org/4ef35f2.gif   when confronted with the same choices they give their victims!
   



Unfortunately it didn't work at Orlando.

The murderer shot the armed guards at the entrance.


That's what he knew to do, being that that armed guard is the only one permitted to carry a firearm in a "Gun Free Zone", which the club was.

If the patrons of that club were permitted to carry their legally permitted firearms inside the club, there would have probably been a different outcome.

All the Islamic Terrorist had to do was kill the only armed person who could stop him, & then stand at the only exit & fire into the crowd indiscriminately.....which he did.

He moved about with impunity killing at will, fearing nothing, because the law was on his side, & nobody else would be armed to shoot him. 

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Reply #86 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 12:49pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jun 19th, 2016 at 12:33pm:
Panther wrote on Jun 19th, 2016 at 11:43am:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 19th, 2016 at 11:12am:
In Australia the authorities tell us to be a good victim and comply with the demands criminals make.

Watch how fast these criminals run when an old man with a gun doesn't comply with their demands



Good find!!! So true..... https://i.imgsafe.org/920fbda.gif

Tough Criminals become whimpering cowards   https://i.imgsafe.org/4ef35f2.gif   when confronted with the same choices they give their victims!
   



Unfortunately it didn't work at Orlando.

The murderer shot the armed guards at the entrance.


The Orlando offender was in the club for 3 hours before the police did something.

It worked in Texas when 2 muslims tried to shoot up a draw Muhammad contest, the result was 2 dead jihadis before they even made it to the front door, both jihadis were armed with similar weapons to Orlando
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Reply #87 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 12:49pm
 
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I posted this elsewhere, but you must have missed it, so here it is again.....Read it, then read it again, then again until it sinks in!!!



Why terrorists target gun-free zones



Source: The New York Post    Quote:
When will politicians finally recognize that they can’t protect all the possible shooting targets?

Possibly the largest mass public shooting in US history occurred early on Sunday morning, leaving 50 dead. On Friday, also in Orlando, singer Christina Grimmie was murdered after a concert.

Both of these shootings had something in common: They both occurred in places where private citizens were banned from carrying permitted concealed handguns.

With the exception of Donald Trump, over the last few days politicians have talked about everything but gun-free zones. Hillary Clinton and President Obama have been talking background checks on the private transfers of guns or banning people who are on the “no-fly lists” from buying guns.

But not one of the mass shootings since at least 2000, including Sunday’s, would’ve been stopped by these laws. Nor would renewing the federal “assault weapons” ban solve the problem; even research paid for by Bill Clinton’s administration found no evidence the ban reduced any type of crime.


Just a couple of months ago, a young ISIS sympathizer planned a shooting at one of the largest churches in Detroit. An FBI wire recorded him explaining why he had picked the church as a target: “It’s easy, and a lot of people go there. Plus people are not allowed to carry guns in church. Plus it would make the news.”

Police are probably the single most important factor in stopping crime, but stopping a mass public shooting is an extremely dangerous proposition for officers and security guards alike. Attackers will generally first shoot any uniformed guards or officers who are present. During the Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris last year, the first person killed was the guard who was protecting the magazine’s offices.

Being able to choose the time and place of the attack gives terrorists a major strategic advantage. Last year, France learned that the hard way. In a city of 2.3 million people, there are simply too many possible targets for the police and military to protect. Parisians could take cellphone videos of terrorists just 12 yards away, but could do nothing but watch the slaughter. In the United States, we have about 628,000 police to protect 320 million Americans.

PoliceOne, a private organization with 450,000 members (380,000 full-time active law enforcement and 70,000 retired), polled its members in 2013 shortly after the Newtown, Conn., massacre. Eighty percent of respondents said allowing legally armed citizens to carry guns in places such as Newtown and Aurora would have reduced the number of casualties. Another 6 percent thought the presence of legally armed civilians would “likely” have prevented the innocent casualties altogether.

According to police and prosecutors, there have been dozens of cases of permit holders clearly stopping what would have been mass public shootings. It’s understandable these killers avoid places where they can’t kill a large number of people.

Research I have conducted with economist Bill Landes looked at 13 different types of gun-control laws. Right-to-carry laws were the only type that made a difference in the rate and severity of these mass public shootings.
Such laws are like those that the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against last week, when it determined that California’s citizens didn’t have the right to protect themselves in public with concealed guns. (The open carry of guns is already illegal in California.)

President Obama has said mockingly, “Some here believe that having more guns makes us all safer.” He says we wouldn’t have these mass public shootings if that were true. However, just because there are a lot of guns in the United States doesn’t mean that people always have access to them for protection.

It ought to be common sense — even the most ardent gun-control advocate would never put “Gun-Free Zone” signs on their homes. Let’s finally stop putting them elsewhere......

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Reply #88 - Jun 19th, 2016 at 1:05pm
 
Panther wrote on Jun 19th, 2016 at 12:42pm:
That's what he knew to do, being that that armed guard is the only one permitted to carry a firearm in a "Gun Free Zone", which the club was.

If the patrons of that club were permitted to carry their legally permitted firearms inside the club, there would have probably been a different outcome.

All the Islamic Terrorist had to do was kill the only armed person who could stop him, & then stand at the only exit & fire into the crowd indiscriminately.....which he did.

He moved about with impunity killing at will, fearing nothing, because the law was on his side, & nobody else would be armed to shoot him. 




Are you saying that the night club should have allowed
drunken homosexuals to carry guns on a normal night?

No pub or club wants drunks with firearms.

Tell me - are you on medication or have you stopped taking your medication?
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