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Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low
Reply #45 - Jun 20th, 2016 at 3:00pm
 
ian wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:00am:
why are gun accidents and suicides ignored in this debate? Gun owners in  the US are much more likely to be killed by their own firearm than anyone elses. I beleive this holds true for Australia also.



I agree.....seems there are those that only want to  ...   ban the gun....ban the gun......  ..........ban the gun, & ignore the root problem(s).....the criminal (which I submit, includes the insane) who used the gun illegally to kill, maim, & destroy, along with those that make stupid mistakes & end up paying the ultimate price.

In the end all gun control accomplishes is penalizing law abiding gun owners....yet again....without addressing the education, crime, & mental health issues .........issues that account for far more firearm fatalities than: 
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As you note......more needs to be focused on mental health & education issues, than demonizing a firearm, that in America is used far more times, by law abiding people, to preserve & protect life, than are used to take life.

The numbers are there for all to read, so why do so many good people ignore the obvious root problems, & gravitate to the agenda driven distractions that will never realistically stop those that use firearms illegally.

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Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low
Reply #46 - Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:11pm
 
cods wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:05am:
what is Homicide in America?...

to me it means taking a life unlawfully...murder if you like..

and that goes for a cop taking a life ....in the so called line of duty...

what are the stats for people killed by guns. as against a knife.or even poison....I am sure guns would win hands down..

I have never heard of someone killing 49 people with the one knife???.....even to poison on that scale would be hard to do...[ its ok I remember Jonestown]..

does anybody think the Pulse killings on this scale will be the last?...


Blaming the gun for the Pulse massacre is like blaming the Boston Marathon bombings on the easy availability of pressure cookers.

Islamic terrorism uses a variety of tools to achieve its bloody toll. The San Bernardino jihadists also had a stockpile of pipe bombs that they didn't get the chance to use.

But I'm sure Syed Farook and his lovely bride refrained from using them because gosh, pipe bombs are against the law in the United States!
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Reply #47 - Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:25pm
 
The4thEstate wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:11pm:
cods wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:05am:
what is Homicide in America?...

to me it means taking a life unlawfully...murder if you like..

and that goes for a cop taking a life ....in the so called line of duty...

what are the stats for people killed by guns. as against a knife.or even poison....I am sure guns would win hands down..

I have never heard of someone killing 49 people with the one knife???.....even to poison on that scale would be hard to do...[ its ok I remember Jonestown]..

does anybody think the Pulse killings on this scale will be the last?...


Blaming the gun for the Pulse massacre is like blaming the Boston Marathon bombings on the easy availability of pressure cookers.

Islamic terrorism uses a variety of tools to achieve its bloody toll. The San Bernardino jihadists also had a stockpile of pipe bombs that they didn't get the chance to use.

But I'm sure Syed Farook and his lovely bride refrained from using them because gosh, pipe bombs are against the law in the United States!


Oh I see.  You have already concluded this was a terrorist attack by a Muslim against the West.  You are dismissing the very strong possibility it was a wanker attacking gays because he was a tad hung up about being gay himself.  Yeas?
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Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low
Reply #48 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 6:14am
 
cods wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:05am:
what is Homicide in America?...

to me it means taking a life unlawfully...murder if you like..

and that goes for a cop taking a life ....in the so called line of duty...

what are the stats for people killed by guns. as against a knife.or even poison....I am sure guns would win hands down..

I have never heard of someone killing 49 people with the one knife???.....even to poison on that scale would be hard to do...[ its ok I remember Jonestown]..

does anybody think the Pulse killings on this scale will be the last?...


Homicide is simply the killing of another person, regardless of reason. Murder is the unlawful killing of someone.
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Reply #49 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 8:34am
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:25pm:
The4thEstate wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:11pm:
cods wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:05am:
what is Homicide in America?...

to me it means taking a life unlawfully...murder if you like..

and that goes for a cop taking a life ....in the so called line of duty...

what are the stats for people killed by guns. as against a knife.or even poison....I am sure guns would win hands down..

I have never heard of someone killing 49 people with the one knife???.....even to poison on that scale would be hard to do...[ its ok I remember Jonestown]..

does anybody think the Pulse killings on this scale will be the last?...


Blaming the gun for the Pulse massacre is like blaming the Boston Marathon bombings on the easy availability of pressure cookers.

Islamic terrorism uses a variety of tools to achieve its bloody toll. The San Bernardino jihadists also had a stockpile of pipe bombs that they didn't get the chance to use.

But I'm sure Syed Farook and his lovely bride refrained from using them because gosh, pipe bombs are against the law in the United States!


Oh I see.  You have already concluded this was a terrorist attack by a Muslim against the West.  You are dismissing


He did call 911 to confess his crimes and say it was an attack by Islamic state.

Why are you ignoring his confession Arsie?
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Reply #50 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 11:23am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 8:34am:
Aussie wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:25pm:
The4thEstate wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:11pm:
cods wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:05am:
what is Homicide in America?...

to me it means taking a life unlawfully...murder if you like..

and that goes for a cop taking a life ....in the so called line of duty...

what are the stats for people killed by guns. as against a knife.or even poison....I am sure guns would win hands down..

I have never heard of someone killing 49 people with the one knife???.....even to poison on that scale would be hard to do...[ its ok I remember Jonestown]..

does anybody think the Pulse killings on this scale will be the last?...


Blaming the gun for the Pulse massacre is like blaming the Boston Marathon bombings on the easy availability of pressure cookers.

Islamic terrorism uses a variety of tools to achieve its bloody toll. The San Bernardino jihadists also had a stockpile of pipe bombs that they didn't get the chance to use.

But I'm sure Syed Farook and his lovely bride refrained from using them because gosh, pipe bombs are against the law in the United States!


Oh I see.  You have already concluded this was a terrorist attack by a Muslim against the West.  You are dismissing


He did call 911 to confess his crimes and say it was an attack by Islamic state.

Why are you ignoring his confession Arsie?


Spot on.....the Islamic Apologists all want this obvious act of Islamic terrorism to be termed a hate crime leveled against the LGBT Community, even in America a few handfuls of straight people believe that, but the overwhelming consensus overall is, based on his extensive professions of Islamic Extremism, undeniable proof, that this criminal was acting as an ISLAMIC TERRORIST first & foremost.





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Reply #51 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:05pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 8:34am:
Aussie wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:25pm:
The4thEstate wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:11pm:
cods wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:05am:
what is Homicide in America?...

to me it means taking a life unlawfully...murder if you like..

and that goes for a cop taking a life ....in the so called line of duty...

what are the stats for people killed by guns. as against a knife.or even poison....I am sure guns would win hands down..

I have never heard of someone killing 49 people with the one knife???.....even to poison on that scale would be hard to do...[ its ok I remember Jonestown]..

does anybody think the Pulse killings on this scale will be the last?...


Blaming the gun for the Pulse massacre is like blaming the Boston Marathon bombings on the easy availability of pressure cookers.

Islamic terrorism uses a variety of tools to achieve its bloody toll. The San Bernardino jihadists also had a stockpile of pipe bombs that they didn't get the chance to use.

But I'm sure Syed Farook and his lovely bride refrained from using them because gosh, pipe bombs are against the law in the United States!


Oh I see.  You have already concluded this was a terrorist attack by a Muslim against the West.  You are dismissing


He did call 911 to confess his crimes and say it was an attack by Islamic state.

Why are you ignoring his confession Arsie?


If I were a closet Muslim poof, that is exactly what I'd do to mask the truth.  Wouldn't you?
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Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low
Reply #52 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:18pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:05pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 8:34am:
Aussie wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:25pm:
The4thEstate wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:11pm:
cods wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:05am:
what is Homicide in America?...

to me it means taking a life unlawfully...murder if you like..

and that goes for a cop taking a life ....in the so called line of duty...

what are the stats for people killed by guns. as against a knife.or even poison....I am sure guns would win hands down..

I have never heard of someone killing 49 people with the one knife???.....even to poison on that scale would be hard to do...[ its ok I remember Jonestown]..

does anybody think the Pulse killings on this scale will be the last?...


Blaming the gun for the Pulse massacre is like blaming the Boston Marathon bombings on the easy availability of pressure cookers.

Islamic terrorism uses a variety of tools to achieve its bloody toll. The San Bernardino jihadists also had a stockpile of pipe bombs that they didn't get the chance to use.

But I'm sure Syed Farook and his lovely bride refrained from using them because gosh, pipe bombs are against the law in the United States!


Oh I see.  You have already concluded this was a terrorist attack by a Muslim against the West.  You are dismissing


He did call 911 to confess his crimes and say it was an attack by Islamic state.

Why are you ignoring his confession Arsie?


If I were a closet Muslim poof, that is exactly what I'd do to mask the truth.  Wouldn't you?


Just like the Lindt siege he confessed while doing the crime.

Why do Islamic apologists ignore the confessions from Islamic terrorists?
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Reply #53 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:57pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:18pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:05pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 8:34am:
Aussie wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:25pm:
The4thEstate wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:11pm:
cods wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:05am:
what is Homicide in America?...

to me it means taking a life unlawfully...murder if you like..

and that goes for a cop taking a life ....in the so called line of duty...

what are the stats for people killed by guns. as against a knife.or even poison....I am sure guns would win hands down..

I have never heard of someone killing 49 people with the one knife???.....even to poison on that scale would be hard to do...[ its ok I remember Jonestown]..

does anybody think the Pulse killings on this scale will be the last?...


Blaming the gun for the Pulse massacre is like blaming the Boston Marathon bombings on the easy availability of pressure cookers.

Islamic terrorism uses a variety of tools to achieve its bloody toll. The San Bernardino jihadists also had a stockpile of pipe bombs that they didn't get the chance to use.

But I'm sure Syed Farook and his lovely bride refrained from using them because gosh, pipe bombs are against the law in the United States!


Oh I see.  You have already concluded this was a terrorist attack by a Muslim against the West.  You are dismissing


He did call 911 to confess his crimes and say it was an attack by Islamic state.

Why are you ignoring his confession Arsie?


If I were a closet Muslim poof, that is exactly what I'd do to mask the truth.  Wouldn't you?


Just like the Lindt siege he confessed while doing the crime.

Why do Islamic apologists ignore the confessions from Islamic terrorists?


Why do you automatically believe everything a murderer says?

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Reply #54 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:26pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:57pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:18pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:05pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 8:34am:
Aussie wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:25pm:
The4thEstate wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:11pm:
cods wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:05am:
what is Homicide in America?...

to me it means taking a life unlawfully...murder if you like..

and that goes for a cop taking a life ....in the so called line of duty...

what are the stats for people killed by guns. as against a knife.or even poison....I am sure guns would win hands down..

I have never heard of someone killing 49 people with the one knife???.....even to poison on that scale would be hard to do...[ its ok I remember Jonestown]..

does anybody think the Pulse killings on this scale will be the last?...


Blaming the gun for the Pulse massacre is like blaming the Boston Marathon bombings on the easy availability of pressure cookers.

Islamic terrorism uses a variety of tools to achieve its bloody toll. The San Bernardino jihadists also had a stockpile of pipe bombs that they didn't get the chance to use.

But I'm sure Syed Farook and his lovely bride refrained from using them because gosh, pipe bombs are against the law in the United States!


Oh I see.  You have already concluded this was a terrorist attack by a Muslim against the West.  You are dismissing


He did call 911 to confess his crimes and say it was an attack by Islamic state.

Why are you ignoring his confession Arsie?


If I were a closet Muslim poof, that is exactly what I'd do to mask the truth.  Wouldn't you?


Just like the Lindt siege he confessed while doing the crime.

Why do Islamic apologists ignore the confessions from Islamic terrorists?


Why do you automatically believe everything a murderer says?



Why do you prefer to believe things this murderer, in this case, didn't say....while totally ignoring what he emphatically did say....basically his death bed confession?

From the Obama Administration Dept. of Justice & the FBI


Note: Those that heard the actual conversation recordings, note that where 'God' is written in this transcript, the Islamic Terrorist Omar Marteen actually said 'Allah'.

Here’s the full transcript, without the omissions:

    OD: Emergency 911, this is being recorded.

    OM: In the name of God the Merciful, the beneficent [Arabic]

    OD: What?

    OM: Praise be to God, and prayers as well as peace be upon the prophet of God [Arabic]. I wanna let you know, I’m in Orlando and I did the shootings.

    OD: What’s your name?

    OM: My name is I pledge of allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi of the Islamic State.

    OD: Ok, What’s your name?

    OM: I pledge allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi may God protect him [Arabic], on behalf of the Islamic State.

    OD: Alright, where are you at?

    OM: In Orlando.

    OD: Where in Orlando?

    [End of call.]

As you can see, the redacted parts were clearly about ISIS, which everyone knew already.

This is the explanation given by the DOJ/FBI for why they redacted it in the first place and why they reversed:

    The purpose of releasing the partial transcript of the shooter’s interaction with 911 operators was to provide transparency, while remaining sensitive to the interests of the surviving victims, their families, and the integrity of the ongoing investigation. We also did not want to provide the killer or terrorist organizations with a publicity platform for hateful propaganda. Unfortunately, the unreleased portions of the transcript that named the terrorist organizations and leaders have caused an unnecessary distraction from the hard work that the FBI and our law enforcement partners have been doing to investigate this heinous crime. As much of this information had been previously reported, we have re-issued the complete transcript to include these references in order to provide the highest level of transparency possible under the circumstances.



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Reply #55 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:29pm
 
Panther wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:26pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:57pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:18pm:
Aussie wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:05pm:
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 8:34am:
Aussie wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:25pm:
The4thEstate wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:11pm:
cods wrote on Jun 20th, 2016 at 11:05am:
what is Homicide in America?...

to me it means taking a life unlawfully...murder if you like..

and that goes for a cop taking a life ....in the so called line of duty...

what are the stats for people killed by guns. as against a knife.or even poison....I am sure guns would win hands down..

I have never heard of someone killing 49 people with the one knife???.....even to poison on that scale would be hard to do...[ its ok I remember Jonestown]..

does anybody think the Pulse killings on this scale will be the last?...


Blaming the gun for the Pulse massacre is like blaming the Boston Marathon bombings on the easy availability of pressure cookers.

Islamic terrorism uses a variety of tools to achieve its bloody toll. The San Bernardino jihadists also had a stockpile of pipe bombs that they didn't get the chance to use.

But I'm sure Syed Farook and his lovely bride refrained from using them because gosh, pipe bombs are against the law in the United States!


Oh I see.  You have already concluded this was a terrorist attack by a Muslim against the West.  You are dismissing


He did call 911 to confess his crimes and say it was an attack by Islamic state.

Why are you ignoring his confession Arsie?


If I were a closet Muslim poof, that is exactly what I'd do to mask the truth.  Wouldn't you?


Just like the Lindt siege he confessed while doing the crime.

Why do Islamic apologists ignore the confessions from Islamic terrorists?


Why do you automatically believe everything a murderer says?



Why do you prefer to believe things this murderer, in this case, didn't say....while totally ignoring what he emphatically did say....basically his death bed confession?


You didn't answer my question.

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Why do you prefer to believe things this murderer, in this case, didn't say....while totally ignoring what he emphatically did say....basically his death bed confession?


What better place to lay a false trail is there.
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Reply #57 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:44pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 1:18pm:
Just like the Lindt siege he confessed while doing the crime.


OK, so we should take what Jo Cox's murderer called out when he murdered her in the UK the other week about, "Britain first!"?  We should ignore his apparently long history of mental illness and accept his word about being a representative of the Brexit parties?  Mmmm?

It cuts both ways, Baron.  You want, nay prefer, because of your bigotry what Man Monis said during the Lindt siege, despite his long history mental illness and his own murderous ways?  Then, we must accept that the murder of Ms.Cox was a representative of the Brexit parties and that he was killing her because of her opposition to Brexit?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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Why do Brexit apologists ignore the confessions of their Terrorists, Baron?  Mmmm?    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #58 - Jun 21st, 2016 at 5:03pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jun 21st, 2016 at 4:29pm:
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Why do you prefer to believe things this murderer, in this case, didn't say....while totally ignoring what he emphatically did say....basically his death bed confession?


What better place to lay a false trail is there.


They can Spin it to suit their personal needs....I know he was an Islamic Terrorist, but they can feel free to deny it till their lil hearts content, that changes nothing. Facts is Facts.... .........



At the end of the day, the US Homicide Rate is still At 51-Year Low





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I know he was an Islamic Terrorist, but they can feel free to deny it till their lil hearts content, that changes nothing. Facts is Facts....


Looks like you know more that the FBI etc in the US.  Perhaps you better contact them, and share what you know.  You know ~ give them these facts which are facts.
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