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Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low
Reply #15 - Jun 18^th, 2016 at 1:57pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 1:31pm:

Panther wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 1:10pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 12:58pm:

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The price of freedom isn't cheap, because as we all know freedom isn't free.

The price is too high when madmen get hold of guns.

I agree, & better police work, along with better mental health attention would drastically lower their impact.

Wouldn't it be great if we could ban madmen?

Restricting law abiding gun owners is no answer though.

Addressing criminal activity, & mental heath is way more important.

Even then the price would be high......but nothing is ever free.....especially freedom.

I don't see why the average person needs a gun?

Can you tell me?

I don't even think police should need guns.
The cops have only limited access to guns in the UK & NZ.
They certainly don't carry pistols around like cowboys as they do here.
Look at that female cop in Sydney who shot 3 innocent people!

Now you are going beyond the OP's original post.....you are dwelling upon an agenda driven & the proclaimed morality of those who seek to remove guns from society.

Here in Australia the govenment forces the people to profess a need to own or use a firearm. In America they have the Supreme Law of the Land.....the US Constitution whic does not permit the government to force it's citizens to profess or demonstrate any such thing....the US Government is forbidden to force the people who they serve to demonstrate any need to own or use a firearm by the Second Amendment to the US Constitution......the second of 10 items in the Bill of Rights....... Here is how I answered a similar question in another thread:

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In America, the center focus of the OP's original post if you recall, they have something you may have heard of......it's the Second Amendment of the US Constitution.....the Law of the Land......the law which tells the government...not the people....it tells the government what it, the government, is permitted to do, & what it, the government can't do, & what it, the government must do.

An American needs only a simple phrased statement.....all the rest is immaterial.....

Q.....Why do you need a gun, any gun.......why do you want a gun, any gun?

A......The simple answer is:

"It doesn't matter why I do, or why I don't. I don't need to justify my position with need - only my desire to own."

Crazy Yankee Gun Laws they say........but, laws that are, & law it is.

The Right to Keep & Bear Arms ........That's a right guaranteed in the American Constitution......the Law of the Land, end of discussion.

Those are the facts, & that's the most I will post to answer your 'NEEDS' question in this thread.

I suggest you start a new topic if it's something you want to pursue in more depth.

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Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low
Reply #16 - Jun 18^th, 2016 at 4:10pm

Why is the Homicide Rate at a 51 Year Low in America?

Homicide, or Murder, is a crime.

IMHO, more guns seems to mean less crime......Simply, an armed society eventually becomes a more polite society. You don't need to be a Rocket Scientist to understand why.

As more & more Americans become concealed carry permit holders, those locations where their numbers increase mysteriously start seeing crime levels drop. One would have to wonder why......the left always can be found preaching the opposite.......but why do the crime levels drop, especially homicide.

The left cringe at the prospects, & refuse to admit gun ownership has anything to do with plummeting numbers of homicides & crime, but other explanations of this phenomenon don't seem to carry the weight. They avoid the topic like a plague, but even the police are willing to admit that gun ownership, & as more citizens become armed, very well could have a lot to do with dropping rates of crime. No criminal wants to confront an armed victim, they'd prefer to move on to a softer target if they have doubts whether their victim might be carrying a firearm.

It's estimated that Americans use their legal firearms to protect lives, to stop crime, over 2 million times a year.......using guns not to take lives, but to save lives.........far more times than guns are used to take lives.

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106280 Melbourne Gender:	Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low Reply #17 - Jun 18^th, 2016 at 4:50pm Dear Panther, are you a gun nut? i.e. someone with a whole arsenal of guns at your place?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138875 Gender:	Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low Reply #18 - Jun 18^th, 2016 at 4:52pm Bobby. wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 4:50pm: Dear Panther, are you a gun nut? i.e. someone with a whole arsenal of guns at your place? Judging by his posts, I'd say he's an all-round nut.
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Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low
Reply #19 - Jun 18^th, 2016 at 4:56pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 4:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 4:50pm:

Dear Panther,
are you a gun nut?

i.e. someone with a whole arsenal of guns at your place?

Judging by his posts, I'd say he's an all-round nut.

Dear Greggy,
are you saying that he should be on your watch list?

here:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1466165148

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Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low
Reply #20 - Jun 18^th, 2016 at 5:11pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 4:50pm:

Dear Panther,
are you a gun nut?

i.e. someone with a whole arsenal of guns at your place?

Esteemed Bobby, I'm not a gun nut.

That said, I do firmly believe in ones right to use whatever means one wishes, to protect ones own life first & foremost, the lives of ones family, the lives of ones mates, & also to protect ones property.

Contrary to the beliefs of many people I know, including those associated with this forum, IMHO, a firearm would be a highly acceptable means of that protection.

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Reply #21 - Jun 18^th, 2016 at 5:21pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 4:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 4:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 4:50pm:

Dear Panther,
are you a gun nut?

i.e. someone with a whole arsenal of guns at your place?

Judging by his posts, I'd say he's an all-round nut.

Dear Greggy,
are you saying that he should be on your watch list?

here:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1466165148

No, not at all.

I don't think he's dangerous: I just think he's stupid.

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Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low
Reply #22 - Jun 18^th, 2016 at 5:22pm

Panther wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 5:11pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 4:50pm:

Dear Panther,
are you a gun nut?

i.e. someone with a whole arsenal of guns at your place?

Esteemed Bobby, I'm not a gun nut.

That said, I do firmly believe in ones right to use whatever means one wishes, to protect ones own life first & foremost, the lives of ones family, the lives of ones mates, & also to protect ones property.

Contrary to the beliefs of many people I know, including those associated with this forum, IMHO, a firearm would be a highly acceptable means of that protection.

don't worry -

Greggy's not gunna report ya.

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Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low
Reply #23 - Jun 18^th, 2016 at 5:28pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 5:21pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 4:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 4:52pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 4:50pm:

Dear Panther,
are you a gun nut?

i.e. someone with a whole arsenal of guns at your place?

Judging by his posts, I'd say he's an all-round nut.

Dear Greggy,
are you saying that he should be on your watch list?

here:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1466165148

No, not at all.

I don't think he's dangerous: I just think he's stupid.

Awww greggy, I wouldn't say the same about you, the smartest person you know.

Naaaaah......

Ignorant is the word that springs front center when you come to mind.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Online Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25018 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low Reply #24 - Jun 18^th, 2016 at 9:56pm I can believe it. But that's still 4 times higher the rate of murders compared to Australia's.
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58976 Here Gender:	Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low Reply #25 - Jun 18^th, 2016 at 9:58pm FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low And then they go out and shoot another 50 people in one go ?
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UnSubRocky Gold Member Online Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 25018 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low Reply #26 - Jun 18^th, 2016 at 10:01pm Dnarever wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 9:58pm: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low And then they go out and shoot another 50 people in one go ? Fifty more people killed in the United States is not going to bump up very much the murders per 100,000 rate. It definitely would in Australia.
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Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low
Reply #27 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 3:12am

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 10:16am:

AiA wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 2:41am:

wait, aren't guns in America supposed to be a problem?

Yes, they're a huge problem.

Who told you they weren't?

Yes, it seems guns are a big problem in America but not regarding the homicide rate, so I ask, where exactly is the problem?

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Reply #28 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 3:44am

Obviously, the F,B.I. has not been to Chicago recently.

Death by gun in good ol' capitalist Yankee America is now on the level as many people as car crashes. Death by gun in good ol' capitalist Yankee America is exponentially greater than in all other advanced industrialized countries.

In good ol' capitalist Yankee America the death rate from gun homicides is about 31 per million people per year.

In capitalist Deutschland, that figure is two per million; in capitalist Limeyland, only one and in capitalist Sushiland the likelihood of dying from a gunshot wound is roughly the same as any fat capitalist American's chance of being killed by lightning:
one in 10 million.

Welcome to the New World Order.

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Reply #29 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 4:12am

Marla wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 3:44am:

Obviously, the F,B.I. has not been to Chicago recently.

Death by gun in good ol' capitalist Yankee America is now on the level as many people as car crashes. Death by gun in good ol' capitalist Yankee America is exponentially greater than in all other advanced industrialized countries.

In good ol' capitalist Yankee America the death rate from gun homicides is about 31 per million people per year.

In capitalist Deutschland, that figure is two per million; in capitalist Limeyland, only one and in capitalist Sushiland the likelihood of dying from a gunshot wound is roughly the same as any fat capitalist American's chance of being killed by lightning:
one in 10 million.

Welcome to the New World Order.

Yes, yes, we know all that but the homicide rate has been falling for decades.

Are you familiar with the two economists behind "Freakomomics?" They have a theory as to why the homicide rate has been falling: abortion became decriminalized and the number of unwanted children who would have grown up to commit murders and other violent crimes simply were never born.

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