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Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low
Reply #30 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 10:02am

AiA wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 4:12am:

Marla wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 3:44am:

Obviously, the F,B.I. has not been to Chicago recently.

Death by gun in good ol' capitalist Yankee America is now on the level as many people as car crashes. Death by gun in good ol' capitalist Yankee America is exponentially greater than in all other advanced industrialized countries.

In good ol' capitalist Yankee America the death rate from gun homicides is about 31 per million people per year.

In capitalist Deutschland, that figure is two per million; in capitalist Limeyland, only one and in capitalist Sushiland the likelihood of dying from a gunshot wound is roughly the same as any fat capitalist American's chance of being killed by lightning:
one in 10 million.

Welcome to the New World Order.

Yes, yes, we know all that but the homicide rate has been falling for decades.

Are you familiar with the two economists behind "Freakomomics?" They have a theory as to why the homicide rate has been falling: abortion became decriminalized and the number of unwanted children who would have grown up to commit murders and other violent crimes simply were never born.

For those that think Gun Deaths in America are all bad guys shootin' good, innocent people......think again.

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There are roughly 32,000 gun deaths per year in the United States. Of those, around 60% are suicides. About 3% are accidental deaths (between 700-800 deaths). About 34% of deaths (just over 11,000 in both 2010 and 2011) make up the remainder of gun deaths and are classified as homicides.

Sometimes the 32,000 and 11,000 figures are used interchangeably by gun control advocates.

Clearly, the 32,000 figure is a far more dramatic number and it is often used for impact by anti-gun activists........

If you take all deaths, from all causes in America, & then figure what percentage of those were gun related homicides it paints a slightly (well more than slightly, but why embellish) different picture than the gun-grabbing left want you to see & read about.

According to the United Nations, 2,473,018 people died in the United States in 2008.

That comes to 6,775 per day.

Of those 2,473,018 deaths from all causes 12,200 were gun related homicides, or 0.0049332435105608% (less than 1/2 of 1% of all deaths)

http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/vitstats/serATab3.pdf

According to the CDC ... Center for Disease Control, in the U.S.A. 2,596,993 people died from all causes in 2013.

That comes to 7,115 per day.

Of those 10,700 were gun related homicides, or 0.0041201497270112% (again, less than 1/2 of 1% of all deaths)

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

The percentage of gun related homicides in America has been steadily dropping too, as noted, to a 51 year low. That's a good thing.

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Fuzzball Gold Member Offline Posts: 6381 Australia Gender:	Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low Reply #31 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 10:32am Well, as the FBI ignored the gun shop owner when he reported a suspicious customer (who went on to slaughter 49 people) asking to buy body armour to them, their analysis of the 'Homicide Rate' is somewhat of a joke.
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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18626 Gender:	Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low Reply #32 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 10:34am Fuzzball wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 10:32am: Well, as the FBI ignored the gun shop owner when he reported a suspicious customer (who went on to slaughter 49 people) asking to buy body armour to them, their analysis of the 'Homicide Rate' is somewhat of a joke. An inconvenient truth
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Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low
Reply #33 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 10:43am

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Trends by race

- In 2008 the offending rate for blacks (24.7 offenders per 100K) was 7 times higher than the rate for whites (3.4 offenders per 100K)

- The offending rate for blacks showed similar patterns to the victimization rate, peaking in the early 1990's at a high of 51.1 offenders per 100K

-After 1991, the offending rate for blacks declined until it reached 24 per 100K in 2004,The rate has fluctuated increasing to 28.4 offenders per 100K in 2006 before falling again to 24.7 offenders per 100K in 2008.

bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf

The blacks in the USA are 13% of the population and they are responsible for just over 52% of all homicides.
Is gangsta rap culture to blame for this gun crime?

The Australian Bureau of Statistics shows the Aborigines in the NT have a 5 times higher homicide rate compared to white man

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Lionel Edriess Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 1932 Gender:	Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low Reply #34 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:14am Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 10:43am: .... The blacks in the USA are 13% of the population and they are responsible for just over 52% of all homicides. .... Now that's an inconvenient truth! And some people here can't understand why Americans are arming themselves.
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Fuzzball Gold Member Offline Posts: 6381 Australia Gender:	Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low Reply #35 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:16am The Orlando shootings were quite simply Islamic Terrorism, not homophobic, or race/colour related. Lone Wolf or not, still muslim, and still calculated and planned.
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Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low
Reply #36 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:22am

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 10:43am:

.... The blacks in the USA are 13% of the population and they are responsible for just over 52% of all homicides. ....

Now that's an inconvenient truth!

And some people here can't understand why Americans are arming themselves.

You familiar with the American police term "self-cleaning oven?" Black on black homicide.

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Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low
Reply #37 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 1:16pm

AiA wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:22am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 11:14am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 10:43am:

.... The blacks in the USA are 13% of the population and they are responsible for just over 52% of all homicides. ....

Now that's an inconvenient truth!

And some people here can't understand why Americans are arming themselves.

You familiar with the American police term "self-cleaning oven?" Black on black homicide.

A new one on me.

But apt.

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Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low
Reply #38 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 6:18pm

Dnarever wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 9:58pm:

FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low

And then they go out and shoot another 50 people in one go ?

Who's "they"? The perpetrator was an admitted Islamic terrorist, and the son of a Taliban supporter from Afghanistan.

Not exactly your textbook "home-grown terrorism," despite where he happened to exit the womb.

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Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low
Reply #39 - Jun 19^th, 2016 at 6:20pm

The4thEstate wrote on Jun 19^th, 2016 at 6:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 18^th, 2016 at 9:58pm:

FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low

And then they go out and shoot another 50 people in one go ?

Who's "they"? The perpetrator was an admitted Islamic terrorist, the son of a Taliban supporter from Afghanistan.

Not exactly "home-grown terrorism," despite where he came into this world.

You omitted closet homo. Why did you do that?

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The4thEstate Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 322 Flyover Country, U.S.A. Gender:	Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low Reply #40 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:57am Why do you think I should include it?
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49313 At my desk.	Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low Reply #41 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 10:19am http://www.aic.gov.au/statistics/homicide.html Over the past 18 years (1 July 1989 to 30 June 2007), the rate* of homicide incidents decreased from 1.9 in 1990-91 and 1992-93 to the second-lowest recorded rate, of 1.3, in 2006-07. *rate per 100,000 population.
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low Reply #42 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 11:00am why are gun accidents and suicides ignored in this debate? Gun owners in the US are much more likely to be killed by their own firearm than anyone elses. I beleive this holds true for Australia also.
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Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low
Reply #43 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 11:05am

what is Homicide in America?...

to me it means taking a life unlawfully...murder if you like..

and that goes for a cop taking a life ....in the so called line of duty...

what are the stats for people killed by guns. as against a knife.or even poison....I am sure guns would win hands down..

I have never heard of someone killing 49 people with the one knife???.....even to poison on that scale would be hard to do...[ its ok I remember Jonestown]..

does anybody think the Pulse killings on this scale will be the last?...

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Re: FBI: US Homicide Rate At 51-Year Low
Reply #44 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 12:04pm

cods wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 11:05am:

what is Homicide in America?...

to me it means taking a life unlawfully...murder if you like..

and that goes for a cop taking a life ....in the so called line of duty...

what are the stats for people killed by guns. as against a knife.or even poison....I am sure guns would win hands down..

does anybody think the Pulse killings on this scale will be the last?...

Here is some homicide data from the FBI
- Rifles which include those scary semi auto AR15's around 300-320 homicides per year
-Knives or cutting instruments about 1,700-1,800 homicides
per year
-Bats/clubs/hammers 500-600 homicides per year
-Fists and feet around 700-800 homicides per year

If we look at the numbers without letting irrational fears get in the way rifles which include those scary ones all the hoplophobes want banned cause the least deaths of all firearm types, you are probably far more likely to be bashed-stabbed to death than shot with a scary AR15.
fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/ex...

It's amusing how those with irrational fears want to ban the type of gun the FBI says causes the least deaths while ignoring the type that causes the most deaths.

The Pulse attack was Islamic terror that will continue while Islam exists, did you know the female muslim offender in the San Bernadino terror attack was the first female mass shooter in the USA?

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