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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #210 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:10pm

Aussie wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:04pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 9:57pm:

Whatever excuse the Muslims offer for Muhammed's ethnic cleansing.

Nah, you claimed they were innocent. What of, freediver? I am not here to clean up your wild accusations. You make them, not me.

What kind of lawyer were you Aussie? People are not guilty until they can identify the charge of which they are innocent.

Muhammed slaughtered 800 innocent people. They were innocent regardless of how incompetent Muslims are at dreaming up an excuse for the slaughter.

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #211 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:15pm

freediver wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:10pm:

What kind of lawyer were you Aussie? People are not guilty until they can identify the charge of which they are innocent.

Muhammed slaughtered 800 innocent people. They were innocent regardless of how incompetent Muslims are at dreaming up an excuse for the slaughter.

Innocent of what, freediver. You (not they) said they were innocent of something, and not me either. What is it? Don't you know?

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40804	Re: Muslims always tell us what they think Reply #212 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:17pm Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:02pm: ...not my problem. Actually, it is your problem. This is an open bulletin board, you realise where anybody can answer any message posted. You cannot determine who answers your questions at all.
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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10975 Australia Gender:	Re: Muslims always tell us what they think Reply #213 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:28pm
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40804	Re: Muslims always tell us what they think Reply #214 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:31pm Ajax wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:28pm: http://i66.tinypic.com/2s7goja.jpg Rather simplistic and naive really... Typical of Double-ya, though. Ajax, you have always struck me as smarter than silly childish troll tactics. Was I wrong?
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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #215 - Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:31pm:

Ajax wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:28pm:

http://i66.tinypic.com/2s7goja.jpg

Rather simplistic and naive really... Typical of Double-ya, though. Ajax, you have always struck me as smarter than silly childish troll tactics. Was I wrong? Roll Eyes

In this environment the best way to fight stupidity is with stupidity.

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #216 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 12:22am

Ajax wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:31pm:

Ajax wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:28pm:

http://i66.tinypic.com/2s7goja.jpg

Rather simplistic and naive really... Typical of Double-ya, though. Ajax, you have always struck me as smarter than silly childish troll tactics. Was I wrong? Roll Eyes

In this environment the best way to fight stupidity is with stupidity.

http://i67.tinypic.com/b63j3m.jpg

Right. So you believe I am being stupid?

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #217 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 12:37am

Aussie wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 9:56pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 9:49pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 9:43pm:

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The Jews slaughtered by Muhammed.

Oh....the 700 you refer to in your Wiki? That mob?

Yes Aussie. Are you going to tell us about them being found guilty in some kind of court of justice now?

Nice round number and that is convincing in itself. Seems I've seen you refer to 800 somewhere. Anyway, what were they innocent of, freediver?

It used to be 200. The figure keeps going up.

FD’s innocent of year 9 maths.

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #218 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 8:57am

freediver wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:10pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:04pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 9:57pm:

Whatever excuse the Muslims offer for Muhammed's ethnic cleansing.

Nah, you claimed they were innocent. What of, freediver? I am not here to clean up your wild accusations. You make them, not me.

What kind of lawyer were you Aussie? People are not guilty until they can identify the charge of which they are innocent.

Oh boy lmao Grin

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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Muslims always tell us what they think Reply #219 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 9:03am Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:17pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:02pm: ...not my problem. Actually, it is your problem. Actually, it's not.
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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #220 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 9:04am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 12:22am:

Ajax wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:31pm:

Ajax wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 10:28pm:

http://i66.tinypic.com/2s7goja.jpg

Rather simplistic and naive really... Typical of Double-ya, though. Ajax, you have always struck me as smarter than silly childish troll tactics. Was I wrong? Roll Eyes

In this environment the best way to fight stupidity is with stupidity.

http://i67.tinypic.com/b63j3m.jpg

Right. So you know I am being stupid?

You need to ask lol??????

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #221 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 9:11am

Aussie wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 12:38pm:

To make that even simpler ~ "God" said those who failed to adhere to a formal agreement with him, had to be murdered, yeas?

It that it?

Yes.

I firmly believe, that if i freely enter into an agreement/covenant with another person [and thereby, freely agree to be bound by the terms of the covenant],
then i can't really complain, if i am punished or suffer a penalty, according to the terms of our agreement/covenant.

Is that logic so difficult to agree with ?

Aussie,

Do you believe it is wrong, and 'oppressive', if i suffer an [agreed] penalty/punishment, if i do NOT fulfill my part of an agreement [which i freely entered into] with another person/group ?

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1386405172/12#12
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wally1,

Although the consequences were very harsh, all of those instances from the OT, relate to persons who would or were breaking a solemn covenant that they had made with another party.

Are you saying persons who make a [lawful] agreement, with another party, should not in fact have to honour their agreement ?

And are you suggesting that that there should certainly be no penalty, for those who do not honour their agreements ?

All of those instances from the OT, relate to penalties against covenant breakers.
[i.e. these are persons who knew that they had entered into a binding agreement, a covenant, with another party - in this case, their God.]

The OT records that the Hebrew people freely entered into a covenant, with their God.

"...And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.

And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do....
"
Exodus 19:5-8

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1338955729/129#129
Quote:

If the Hebrew people had freely entered into a covenant with their God, and then transgressed their covenant,
IS IT A GREAT EVIL,
if those particular people that are responsible for the transgression of the covenant be punished,
ACCORDING TO THE TERMS OF THE COVENANT ?

Harsh ?

Yes.

But why is it 'not nice', or, why is it EVIL, ...to expect someone to honour their legal agreements, or, expect to receive the appropriate punishment for NOT honouring an agreement ?

.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1417495463/75#75
Quote:

e.g.
Anyone [in a Western nation like Australia] who has a mortgage on his/her home, has made himself/herself a bond slave, to the person [the lender of the money] who [actually] bought and owns their house/home.

THE BORROWER HAS SIGNED A LEGALLY BINDING AGREEMENT TO THAT EFFECT!

The borrower has legally made himself a 'bond slave' by signing a mortgage agreement.

[And there is [was] usually a clause in mortgage agreements that the lender can demand 'immediate' repayment of the balance of the amount owed. !! ]

i.e.
In the legal agreement they have signed, the borrower promises to pay back, the money that they have borrowed, plus interest.

If the borrower defaults on that promise, the lender or bank, can take legal possession of 'your' property. !!!

And yes, in those verses, in the NT, that refer to persons who find themselves in a circumstance where they are LAWFULLY slaves, the advice from Paul is that slaves should obey their masters!

Is that advice 'wrong' ?

In a modern 'context' why is it wrong, to expect someone to honour their legal agreements [as a 'mortgage slave'] ?

.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1402138274/17#17
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The two most important characteristics which define the personality of a person [imo];
1/ are we honest ?
2/ are we reliable ? ....[e.g. if we give someone an undertaking to do something, or to behave in a certain way, will we keep to the [verbal] agreement that we have made ?]

More than that, is superfluous, imo.

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CONSIDER;
All adult moslem immigrants at their citizenship ceremony, are required swear an oath of allegiance to Australia and its people.

But what should be the punishment [should there be a penalty?], if we discover that, in fact, the moslem had no intention of abiding by his/her oath of allegiance to Australia [but he/she made the oath only because the moslem wanted to gain the benefits of being a citizen of Australia] ?

I know what i would do with them, if it were lawful.

Dictionary;
treacherous = = guilty of or involving betrayal or deception.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38519 Gender:	Re: Muslims always tell us what they think Reply #222 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 9:49am There you go freediver. Yadda believes the 200/700/800 deserved their punishment. Do you agree with him?
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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #223 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 9:50am

Yadda wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 9:11am:

Aussie wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 12:38pm:

To make that even simpler ~ "God" said those who failed to adhere to a formal agreement with him, had to be murdered, yeas?

It that it?

Yes.

I firmly believe, that if i freely enter into an agreement/covenant with another person [and thereby, freely agree to be bound by the terms of the covenant],
then i can't really complain, if i am punished or suffer a penalty, according to the terms of our agreement/covenant.

Is that logic so difficult to agree with ?

Aussie,

Do you believe it is wrong, and 'oppressive', if i suffer an [agreed] penalty/punishment, if i do NOT fulfill my part of an agreement [which i freely entered into] with another person/group ?

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1386405172/12#12
Quote:

wally1,

Although the consequences were very harsh, all of those instances from the OT, relate to persons who would or were breaking a solemn covenant that they had made with another party.

Are you saying persons who make a [lawful] agreement, with another party, should not in fact have to honour their agreement ?

And are you suggesting that that there should certainly be no penalty, for those who do not honour their agreements ?

All of those instances from the OT, relate to penalties against covenant breakers.
[i.e. these are persons who knew that they had entered into a binding agreement, a covenant, with another party - in this case, their God.]

The OT records that the Hebrew people freely entered into a covenant, with their God.

"...And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.

And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do....
"
Exodus 19:5-8

.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1338955729/129#129
Quote:

If the Hebrew people had freely entered into a covenant with their God, and then transgressed their covenant,
IS IT A GREAT EVIL,
if those particular people that are responsible for the transgression of the covenant be punished,
ACCORDING TO THE TERMS OF THE COVENANT ?

Harsh ?

Yes.

But why is it 'not nice', or, why is it EVIL, ...to expect someone to honour their legal agreements, or, expect to receive the appropriate punishment for NOT honouring an agreement ?

.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1417495463/75#75
Quote:

e.g.
Anyone [in a Western nation like Australia] who has a mortgage on his/her home, has made himself/herself a bond slave, to the person [the lender of the money] who [actually] bought and owns their house/home.

THE BORROWER HAS SIGNED A LEGALLY BINDING AGREEMENT TO THAT EFFECT!

The borrower has legally made himself a 'bond slave' by signing a mortgage agreement.

[And there is [was] usually a clause in mortgage agreements that the lender can demand 'immediate' repayment of the balance of the amount owed. !! ]

i.e.
In the legal agreement they have signed, the borrower promises to pay back, the money that they have borrowed, plus interest.

If the borrower defaults on that promise, the lender or bank, can take legal possession of 'your' property. !!!

And yes, in those verses, in the NT, that refer to persons who find themselves in a circumstance where they are LAWFULLY slaves, the advice from Paul is that slaves should obey their masters!

Is that advice 'wrong' ?

In a modern 'context' why is it wrong, to expect someone to honour their legal agreements [as a 'mortgage slave'] ?

.

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1402138274/17#17
Quote:

The two most important characteristics which define the personality of a person [imo];
1/ are we honest ?
2/ are we reliable ? ....[e.g. if we give someone an undertaking to do something, or to behave in a certain way, will we keep to the [verbal] agreement that we have made ?]

More than that, is superfluous, imo.

.

CONSIDER;
All adult moslem immigrants at their citizenship ceremony, are required swear an oath of allegiance to Australia and its people.

But what should be the punishment [should there be a penalty?], if we discover that, in fact, the moslem had no intention of abiding by his/her oath of allegiance to Australia [but he/she made the oath only because the moslem wanted to gain the benefits of being a citizen of Australia] ?

I know what i would do with them, if it were lawful.

Dictionary;
treacherous = = guilty of or involving betrayal or deception.

Wayyyyyy too long!

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