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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #270 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 6:28pm

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The Joos don't follow the New Testament, dear.

Neither do you, Moses.

Talk about stating the obvious, of course the Jews don't follow the N.T., they practice Judaism.

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Further, it seems you expect me to accept something allegedly said 2016 years ago and not something allegedly said some many years earlier.

It depends on your agenda.

You don't accept something written 2016 years ago contained in relevant Christian writings, yet you want to push something written 3450 years ago, relevant to ancient Judaism, as a dominate authority in Christianity.

Clearly your agenda is merely to disingenuously propagate hatred against Christianity.

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Talk to:

Pastor Donnie Romero;

Pastor Roger Jiminez;

Pastor Steven Anderson.

As they are all calling for the deaths of Gays and Lesbians, Moses and they have declared themselves to be Christians...

Once again you have shown your total inability to give actual Christian doctrine, to back your facllacious claims.

But then who would expect anything different from a rabid supporter of islamic atrocities.

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #271 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 6:31pm

Frank wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 6:01pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 22^nd, 2016 at 8:43pm:

Because im both Brian and Ashlee, Lisa ... perhaps you'd like to answer our question?

Where have we been proven wrong?

I think both you and Ackckckmed Ross are Muslims.

Really? And on what basis do you come to that conclusion?

Is it because I defend Muslims against bigotry and hatred?

Is it because I believe in the Australian truism, that everbody, "deserves a fair go"?

Is it because I won't accept your bigotry against Muslims?

Does defending Indigenous Australians make me an Aborigine or a Torres Strait Islander?

Does defending Pacific Islander descended Australians make me a Pacific Islander?

Does defending migrants against bigotry and discrimination make me an Immigrant?

Or do you just look like a fool, Frank? Roll Eyes

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #272 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 6:33pm

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It depends on your agenda.

You don't accept something written 2016 years ago contained in relevant Christian writings, yet you want to push something written 3450 years ago, relevant to ancient Judaism, as a dominate authority in Christianity.

Clearly your agenda is merely to disingenuously propagate hatred against Christianity.

Not at all. I don't believe any of the mumbo jumbo. I do not accept the Sky Fairy notion. It is offensively bizarre, especially right at the beginning of Christianity, allegedly 2016 years ago, when God, as an adulterer, impregnated a Virgin Wife while her Hubby was busy doing a hard day's work as a carpenter.

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #273 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 6:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 12:56pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 12:38pm:

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So, Yada, you're espousing the murdering of gays and lesbians? How does that make you any different to the Islamists who carry out the same against gays and lesbians?

Are the actions of these Islamists anything to do with Islam Brian?

What Islamists? The ones who murder Gays and Lesbians? They may believe so but I have my doubts if it affects everyday, mainstream, moderate Muslims, and their beliefs, FD any more than the Christian exhortations to kill Gays and Lesbians does, everyday, mainstream, moderate Christians. What do you think? Do you believe all Muslims believe exactly the same things and should all be tarred with the same brush? Roll Eyes

I was asking whether you think it has anything to do with Islam Brian. Have another go.

And yes, I have spoken to Muslims who support the death penalty for homosexuality. I think Gandalf is the first one who hasn't, and as far as I can tell, you avoid actually asking Muslims what they think at all costs. How was it again that you found out what they really think? Osmosis?

Aussie wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 2:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 12:38pm:

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Innocent of what, freediver. You (not they) said they were innocent of something, and not me either. What is it? Don't you know?

Aussie, were the victims of 9/11, Orlando etc innocent, or do you agree with that infamous Islam that they are guilty because they are not Muslims? Do I have to tell you what the charge is before you can answer this question? Has it gone from innocent until proven guilty, to guilty until a charge is identified to which they can be proven innocent?

Innocent of what? Coveting their neighbours....what?

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So, Yada, you're espousing the murdering of gays and lesbians? How does that make you any different to the Islamists who carry out the same against gays and lesbians?

Are the actions of these Islamists anything to do with Islam Brian?

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FD still can't decide whether the treaty was in fact broken by the Banu Qurayza (leaving out for the moment of who should be deemed guilty of such a crime).

Now that the moment has passed, let's move on to that question. What do you think Gandalf? All 800 of them, because they are all guilty of being part of a mindless collective of treacherous Jews? Tough titties, off with their heads, religion of peace????

Just innocent Aussie. Why are you so confused about what that means? If someone told you the victims of 9/11 or Orlando were innocent, would you seriously interrupt them to ask what exactly they are innocent of? Do I really have to dumb this down even further for you?

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freediver wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 12:38pm:

let's move on to that question. What do you think Gandalf? All 800 of them, because they are all guilty of being part of a mindless collective of treacherous Jews? Tough titties, off with their heads, religion of peace????

Whatever suits your meme FD - you go with that. Clearly facts don't matter.

So now it is my meme? Are you denying making these arguments Gandalf?

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #274 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 6:33pm

moses wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 6:28pm:

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Talk to:

Pastor Donnie Romero;

Pastor Roger Jiminez;

Pastor Steven Anderson.

As they are all calling for the deaths of Gays and Lesbians, Moses and they have declared themselves to be Christians...

Once again you have shown your total inability to give actual Christian doctrine, to back your facllacious claims.

But then who would expect anything different from a rabid supporter of islamic atrocities.

You keep missing the point. I don't have to provide Christine "doctrine" about anything. Those three Pastors have done that. Perhaps you'd like to take your argument to them? Roll Eyes

So, what's your attitude towards Gay and Lesbians, Moses?

Can Gays and Lesbians be Christians?

I'm interested to know.

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #275 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 6:37pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 6:33pm:

moses wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 6:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote:
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Talk to:

Pastor Donnie Romero;

Pastor Roger Jiminez;

Pastor Steven Anderson.

As they are all calling for the deaths of Gays and Lesbians, Moses and they have declared themselves to be Christians...

Once again you have shown your total inability to give actual Christian doctrine, to back your facllacious claims.

But then who would expect anything different from a rabid supporter of islamic atrocities.

You keep missing the point. I don't have to provide Christine "doctrine" about anything.

And yet you have tried to do just that.

So far you suck at it.

Big time ....my dearest Ahmed Shocked

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #276 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 6:38pm

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Just innocent Aussie. Why are you so confused about what that means? If someone told you the victims of 9/11 or Orlando were innocent, would you seriously interrupt them to ask what exactly they are innocent of? Do I really have to dumb this down even further for you?

If those poor bastards who died at 9/11 were 'innocents' then they lived perfect, and sinless lives.

You are prevaricating because you can see the corner you are being painted into. What were those 200/700/800 innocent of, freediver? You say they were, so one has to presume you are aware of some allegation against them, of which they were innocent. Spit it out, freediver.

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #277 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 6:39pm

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Not at all. I don't believe any of the mumbo jumbo. I do not accept the Sky Fairy notion. It is offensively bizarre, especially right at the beginning of Christianity, allegedly 2016 years ago, when God impregnated a Virgin Wife while her Hubby was busy doing a hard day's work as a carpenter

A believer or a disbeliever, is not the issue.

What's important is to be truthful, you will falsely criticize Christiasnity with teachings from ancient Judaism, you reject Christian teachings which rescind said ancient Judaic law.

Why is dishonesty a trademark of the anti-Christian brigade.

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #278 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 6:42pm

moses wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 6:39pm:

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Not at all. I don't believe any of the mumbo jumbo. I do not accept the Sky Fairy notion. It is offensively bizarre, especially right at the beginning of Christianity, allegedly 2016 years ago, when God impregnated a Virgin Wife while her Hubby was busy doing a hard day's work as a carpenter

A believer or a disbeliever, is not the issue.

What's important is to be truthful, you will falsely criticize Christiasnity with teachings from ancient Judaism, you reject Christian teachings which rescind said ancient Judaic law.

Why is dishonesty a trademark of the anti-Christian brigade.

The dishonesty of which you speak is not mine. It is in The Bible. It is inherently contradictory, and seeks artificial ways to attempt to circumvent those contradictions.

I am merely a bystander, observing them with no obligation to attempt explanation. In that sense, I have no dog in this fight.

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Reply #280 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 6:43pm

moses wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 6:39pm:

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Not at all. I don't believe any of the mumbo jumbo. I do not accept the Sky Fairy notion. It is offensively bizarre, especially right at the beginning of Christianity, allegedly 2016 years ago, when God impregnated a Virgin Wife while her Hubby was busy doing a hard day's work as a carpenter

A believer or a disbeliever, is not the issue.

What's important is to be truthful, you will falsely criticize Christiasnity with teachings from ancient Judaism, you reject Christian teachings which rescind said ancient Judaic law.

Do you obey the 10 Commandments, Moses? YES/NO

If you do, why are you obeying "ancient Judaic law"? Roll Eyes

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Why is dishonesty a trademark of the anti-Christian brigade.

I'd ask you the same thing, Moses. You keep wriggling to escape, I wonder why? Roll Eyes

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #281 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 7:07pm

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You keep missing the point. I don't have to provide Christine "doctrine" about anything. Those three Pastors have done that. Perhaps you'd like to take your argument to them?

You don't have a point.

You accusations against a religion are false as you have never been able to refer to Doctrine which supports your claims.

As for your ** they say and believe they are Christians* fallacy, the following disagree with your dishonesty

Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Clearly the above state that just calling yourself a Christian is not the answer.

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So, what's your attitude towards Gay and Lesbians, Moses?

Can Gays and Lesbians be Christians?

I'm interested to know.

Why should anybody hold the way a person is born against them?

My only reservation would be people born with things like homicidal tendencies etc. if they pose a threat to society you can't just let them run riot.

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Do you obey the 10 Commandments, Moses? YES/NO

If you do, why are you obeying "ancient Judaic law"?

Do you know the difference between law and commandments?

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #282 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 7:14pm

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The dishonesty of which you speak is not mine. It is in The Bible. It is inherently contradictory, and seeks artificial ways to attempt to circumvent those contradictions.

I am merely a bystander, observing them with no obligation to attempt explanation. In that sense, I have no dog in this fight.

Yes there are contradictions, from memory it was written by something like 48 prophets, 7 prophetesses, various deacons, apostles and laymen over a period spanning some 2000 years.

What is artificial about using actual Christian Doctrine to opppose the deceitful use of superseded Judaic doctrine by the anti-Christian brigade?

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Reply #284 - Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 7:17pm

moses wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2016 at 7:14pm:

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The dishonesty of which you speak is not mine. It is in The Bible. It is inherently contradictory, and seeks artificial ways to attempt to circumvent those contradictions.

I am merely a bystander, observing them with no obligation to attempt explanation. In that sense, I have no dog in this fight.

Yes there are contradictions, from memory it was written by something like 48 prophets, 7 prophetesses, various deacons, apostles and laymen over a period spanning some 2000 years.

What is artificial about using actual Christian Doctrine to opppose the deceitful use of superseded Judaic doctrine by the anti-Christian brigade?

Ah.....yeas....and the NT was written by the same sort of human flesh. Who to believe? On the other hand....why believe either.

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