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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38516 Gender:	Re: Muslims always tell us what they think Reply #345 - Jun 25^th, 2016 at 5:29pm Aussie wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 5:15pm: Quote: The law of Moses a part of the O.T.) is superseded, it is no longer relevant to Christians. There go the Ten Commandments, yes? Moses?
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Reply #346 - Jun 25^th, 2016 at 5:51pm

moses wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 5:06pm:

Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

This is the closest you've come to explaining away the OT, Moses. However, your quotes refer to the sight of God, not man. Christians have continued to reference and follow OT principles as law, even if they're not required by God.

Jesus, of course, had this to say.

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"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill," (Matt. 5:17).

Early Christians like Paul had different ideas. The battle for control over the early Jewish-Christian sect was between Paul and Jesus's brother, James. It was fought over one of those OT rites, circumcision. Paul prevailed.

Christianity is not Jesus' religion, but Paul's. The Romans didn't even call it Christianity, but the Cult of Paul.

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Reply #347 - Jun 25^th, 2016 at 6:27pm

Karnal wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

moses wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 5:06pm:

Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

This is the closest you've come to explaining away the OT, Moses. However, your quotes refer to the sight of God, not man. Christians have continued to reference and follow OT principles as law, even if they're not required by God.

Jesus, of course, had this to say.

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"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill," (Matt. 5:17).

Early Christians like Paul had different ideas. The battle for control over the early Jewish-Christian sect was between Paul and Jesus's brother, James. It was fought over one of those OT rites, circumcision. Paul prevailed.

Christianity is not Jesus' religion, but Paul's. The Romans didn't even call it Christianity, but the Cult of Paul.

Well, that explains jihad and sharia then.

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Reply #348 - Jun 25^th, 2016 at 6:33pm

moses wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 5:06pm:

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Obviously all those non-Christians believe their belief "conformed to the teachings of Christ," Moses. Who am I to question their belief? Who are you to question their belief?

of course you accept them as true and genuine it enforces your Anti-Christian push to prove Christianity is no different to islam.

Nope, you have it wrong, Moses. My aim is to prove that Islam is no different to Christianity in it's attitudes and it's actions throughout it's history. Do you deny that? Roll Eyes

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Really? And what if I, a non-Christian use those arguments to support why I am arguing against you in your non-Christianness, Moses? I cannot abhor the evil you seek to visit on ordinary, everyday, mainstream, peaceful Muslims at every opportunity. I cannot accept your hatred of the same. I cannot accept your attitudes so I argue against them. You however turn a blind eye to my arguments. I wonder why?

islam is a satanic cult of killers as shown by their actions around the globe wherever they are, they are practicing thieves, liars, pedophiles, rapists mass murderers and terrorists, child killers, murderers of women in honour killings, female genital mutilators, murderers of apostates, murderers of supposed blasphemers, murderers of cartoonists, murderers of non muslim religious groups, murderers of school children, rape women as a sanctified islamic action then backed up by a national imam who says the women were cats meat, killers of police clerks, killers of hostages in cafes, killers of innocent people in shopping malls, hijackers of planes murdering thousands of people by deliberately crashing these planes, suicide bombers who have murderes thousands of innocent people, burned people alive, crucified people, beheaded people, taught kids to behead people, the list of islamic atrocities is endless.

All Muslims, Moses? Really? You have evidence of that? All 1.6 Billion Muslims, right across the globe, even this Muslim?

And this one?

And this one?

You'd condemn every Muslim merely because you make outlandish claims about what they believe and do, Moses. Roll Eyes

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Reply #349 - Jun 25^th, 2016 at 7:04pm

Frank wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 6:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

moses wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 5:06pm:

Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

This is the closest you've come to explaining away the OT, Moses. However, your quotes refer to the sight of God, not man. Christians have continued to reference and follow OT principles as law, even if they're not required by God.

Jesus, of course, had this to say.

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"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill," (Matt. 5:17).

Early Christians like Paul had different ideas. The battle for control over the early Jewish-Christian sect was between Paul and Jesus's brother, James. It was fought over one of those OT rites, circumcision. Paul prevailed.

Christianity is not Jesus' religion, but Paul's. The Romans didn't even call it Christianity, but the Cult of Paul.

Well, that explains jihad and sharia then.

It explains some of Muhammed's problem with Christianity. He saw Jesus as a prophet, but Christianity as a misguided religion based on an illusory trinity.

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Reply #350 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 12:34am

moses wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 5:06pm:

islam is a satanic cult of killers as shown by their actions around the globe wherever they are, they are practicing thieves, liars, pedophiles, rapists mass murderers and terrorists, child killers, murderers of women in honour killings, female genital mutilators, murderers of apostates, murderers of supposed blasphemers, murderers of cartoonists, murderers of non muslim religious groups, murderers of school children, rape women as a sanctified islamic action then backed up by a national imam who says the women were cats meat, killers of police clerks, killers of hostages in cafes, killers of innocent people in shopping malls, hijackers of planes murdering thousands of people by deliberately crashing these planes, suicide bombers who have murderes thousands of innocent people, burned people alive, crucified people, beheaded people, taught kids to behead people, the list of islamic atrocities is endless.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 6:33pm:

All Muslims, Moses? Really? You have evidence of that? All 1.6 Billion Muslims, right across the globe, even this Muslim?

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You'd condemn every Muslim merely because you make outlandish claims about what they believe and do, Moses. Roll Eyes

Every moslem ???

Yes, every moslem.

Why so ???

A moslem is a follower of ISLAM. < -------- dictionary definition.

Every moslem, is a moslem.

Brian,

Watch how moslems in Norway describe themselves, describe their 'religion', and describe their real intentions, to a wholly moslem audience.

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What Normal Muslims Think - And Europe Fails to Understand

-------- > goto 41 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYAcLudBbhg

Brian,

Moslems are misrepresenting,
1/ their own moral character to us [non-moslems], and,
2/ moslems are misrepresenting the nature of ISLAM to us [non-moslems].

Moslems do this, simply because we [non-moslems] are ignorant and naive [about the nature of ISLAM], AND, because we [non-moslems] are stronger than the moslems who come to live among us.

No ?

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IMAGE...

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

and.....

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Live in peace till strong enough to wage jihad, says UK Deoband scholar to Muslims
London, Sept.8 [2007]
A Deobandi scholar believes Muslims should preach peace till they are strong enough to undertake a jihad, or a holy war.
Justice Muhammad Taqi Usmani was quoted by the BBC as saying that Muslims should live peacefully in countries such as Britain, where they have the freedom to practise Islam, only until they gain enough power to engage in battle.
A former Sharia judge in Pakistan's Supreme Court, 64-year-old Usmani, is...a regular visitor to Britain.
Polite and softly spoken....
He agreed that it was wrong to suggest that the entire non-Muslim world was intent on destroying Islam, but justifies an aggressive military jihad as a means of establishing global Islamic supremacy.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

Q.
Why can't we see what is happening ?

A.
We can't believe what we don't want to believe.

What we refuse to believe!

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July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself:

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them"
(Qur'an 3:28).

In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #351 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 12:51am

Karnal wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 7:04pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 6:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 5:51pm:

moses wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 5:06pm:

Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

This is the closest you've come to explaining away the OT, Moses. However, your quotes refer to the sight of God, not man. Christians have continued to reference and follow OT principles as law, even if they're not required by God.

Jesus, of course, had this to say.

Quote:

"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill," (Matt. 5:17).

Early Christians like Paul had different ideas. The battle for control over the early Jewish-Christian sect was between Paul and Jesus's brother, James. It was fought over one of those OT rites, circumcision. Paul prevailed.

Christianity is not Jesus' religion, but Paul's. The Romans didn't even call it Christianity, but the Cult of Paul.

Well, that explains jihad and sharia then.

It explains some of Muhammed's problem with Christianity. He saw Jesus as a prophet, but Christianity as a misguided religion based on an illusory trinity.

There is no 'trinity'.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

John 4:24
God is a Spirit...

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

John 14:8
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

'God is a Spirit...'

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #352 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 9:05am

Yadda wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 12:51am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 7:04pm:

......Muhammed's problem with Christianity.

He saw Jesus as a prophet, but Christianity as a misguided religion based on an illusory trinity.

There is no 'trinity'.

Deuteronomy 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

John 4:24
God is a Spirit...

John 10:30
I and my Father are one.

John 14:8
Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

'God is a Spirit...'

There is only one saviour/redeemer....

Isaiah 43:10
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

There is only one saviour/redeemer....

.....the God of Israel.

Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his [Israel's] redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Isaiah 54:6
For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God.
7 For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.
8 In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer.

Hosea 13:4
Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

< -----------

The Old Testament 'personage', who redeemed Israel from Egypt, was 'Jesus', the Holy One of Israel.

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1 Corinthians 10:1
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Psalms 78:40
How oft did they provoke him in the wilderness, and grieve him in the desert!
41 Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel.

Matthew 11:28
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

Isaiah 55:6
Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #353 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 1:44pm

Yadda wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 12:51am:

There is no 'trinity'

Really, Yadda? That is not what all Christian churches maintain:

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The Christian doctrine of the Trinity (Latin: Trinitas, lit. 'triad', from trinus, "threefold")[1] holds that God is three consubstantial persons[2] or hypostases[3]—the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit—as "one God in three Divine Persons". The three persons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature".[4] In this context, a "nature" is what one is, whereas a "person" is who one is.[5][6][7]

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What is the Trinity?

by Matt Slick

The word "trinity" is a term used to denote the Christian doctrine that God exists as a unity of three distinct persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Each of the persons is distinct from the other yet identical in essence.

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Introduction to the Trinity

The core belief

The doctrine of the Trinity is the Christian belief that:

There is One God, who is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/staticarchive/7622fa11180c4c2a18f3313c6de2681fbb899084.jpg
Stained glass window with three sections representing the Trinity Trinitarian stained glass window ©Introduction to the Trinity

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What is the Trinity?
How can God be three people at once?

What exactly is the Trinity? How can God be three people at once? Which one should I pray to? And what role does each of the three play? I'm confused.

Terrific questions! The concept of the Trinity is one of the great mysteries of the Bible. Romans 11:34 says, "Who among us can know the mind of the Lord?" God's character is so enormous that we, with our limited minds, cannot comprehend all that he is.

The Bible is clear that God is three-in-one: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit (see Matthew 28:18-20). The three parts are separate personalities. And yet together, they form one being: God.

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Seems to be a lot of Christians who disagree with you, Yada. I wonder who made you an authority on Christian beliefs? Roll Eyes

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Muslims always tell us what they think Reply #354 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 3:34pm Aussie wrote: Quote: There go the Ten Commandments, yes? Err no there goes the law. Yet again you show you do not know the difference between the law and commandments. Have a crack at telling us which one takes precedence over the other. (hint hint Brian's claim was a lie)
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Reply #355 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 3:35pm

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Nope, you have it wrong, Moses. My aim is to prove that Islam is no different to Christianity in it's attitudes and it's actions throughout it's history. Do you deny that?

Most definitely, islam is a satanic cult of death founded by a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer and mass murderer.

The tenets of islam all reflect the personality of this piece of human filth muhammad.

That's why we have islamic atrocities being committed daily around the globe by muslims, who devoutly are following the doctrine of islam to the very letter, all striving to emulate the filth and perversion muhammad performed in his lifetime.

Christianity was formed on the direct oppositeness of islam by a man who led a selfless life of devotion and kindness to his fellow man.

There have been many barbarities committed by people calling themselves Chriatian who according to the Doctrine of Christ are rejected by Him.

There are no similarities between the two beliefs.

The doctrine of islam supports, causes and motivates, the inhumane degenerate atrocities muslims commit globally on a daily basis.

The doctrine of Christianity disapproves of such deeds, men who commit them are rejected by the doctrine as being unknown to Christ.

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All Muslims, Moses? Really? You have evidence of that? All 1.6 Billion Muslims, right across the globe, even this Muslim?

You'd condemn every Muslim merely because you make outlandish claims about what they believe and do, Moses

I condemn muslims because of what is written in the qur'an, the satanic commands of allah, the depraved teachings of muhammad, the evil tenets of islam, which support, cause and motivate inhumane islamic atrocities.

It's as simple as that, when muslims and their apologists learn to speak the truth and condemn those verses, commands, teachings which are the root cause of islamic atrocities, as being evil and unfit for the 21st century civilization, there may be some hope, however they can't as this would be the death knell for islam, it would mean islam, allah, muhammad, qur'an all got it wrong (no more islam).

So the blood will continue to flow, muslims and their apologists don't care how many lives are lost, how much death and destruction is caused by muslims, you simply can't admit you were wrong.

However the world is getting sick and tired of muzzies and the apologists, the worm is turning, it's only a matter of time

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Reply #356 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 3:40pm

moses wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 3:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote:
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Nope, you have it wrong, Moses. My aim is to prove that Islam is no different to Christianity in it's attitudes and it's actions throughout it's history. Do you deny that?

Most definitely, islam is a satanic cult of death founded by a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer and mass murderer.

And Christians has committed numerous acts of theft, lies, paedophila, rape, torture and mass murder in the name of Christ.

So, what is the difference, Moses? Not much. Roll Eyes

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Reply #357 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 3:47pm

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And Christians has committed numerous acts of theft, lies, paedophila, rape, torture and mass murder in the name of Christ.

So, what is the difference, Moses? Not much.

Oh there's a huge difference.

I repeat:
Most definitely, islam is a satanic cult of death founded by a thief, liar, pedophile, rapist, torturer and mass murderer.

The tenets of islam all reflect the personality of this piece of human filth muhammad.

That's why we have islamic atrocities being committed daily around the globe by muslims, who devoutly are following the doctrine of islam to the very letter, all striving to emulate the filth and perversion muhammad performed in his lifetime.

Christianity was formed on the direct oppositeness of islam by a man who led a selfless life of devotion and kindness to his fellow man.

There have been many barbarities committed by people calling themselves Chriatian who according to the Doctrine of Christ are rejected by Him.

There are no similarities between the two beliefs.

The doctrine of islam supports, causes and motivates, the inhumane degenerate atrocities muslims commit globally on a daily basis.

The doctrine of Christianity disapproves of such deeds, men who commit them are rejected by the doctrine as being unknown to Christ.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48830 At my desk.	Re: Muslims always tell us what they think Reply #358 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 5:32pm The difference between law and commandment is pretty much the difference between Islam and Christianity.
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Reply #359 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 5:40pm

freediver wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 5:32pm:

The difference between law and commandment is pretty much the difference between Islam and Christianity.

Which takes precedence, freediver. The claimed Word of God writ in stone and given to Moses that way, i.e, the Ten Commandments, or the Law, which is a human construct and changes from jurisdiction to jurisdiction?

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