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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #45 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:22pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:15pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:04pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:42pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:34pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:30pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:07pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:44pm:

Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims? Roll Eyes

Why do you 'assume' they aren't?

Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran?

I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims.

So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"?

Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it? YES/NO Roll Eyes

NO!

Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10. Roll Eyes

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And unlike your bloody mere man Muhammed, our Son of God Jesus has commanded us to love everyone...INCLUDING OUR ENEMIES.

Funny, that isn't the attitude displayed by the most vehement of Christians here, Lisa, now is it? Haven't you bothered to read Christianity according to Moses, FD, Sprintcyclist, etc? It's all about hate. Roll Eyes

Those Bible verses support what I'm saying.

They contradict everything you say.

Are you feeling a tad embarrassed now?

And furthermore, I'm not responsible for how you perceive others who post on OzPol.

I do however know that you know I am fair.

And right now I am talking to you.

You, me.

One on one.

Fair!

Now, show me where the verses which YOU'VE POSTED tell Christians to murder gay people.

Off you go.....

Take it up with the Christians who like to quote them, along with the Old Testament's exhortations against Homosexuality, Lisa. I am not responsible for their interpretation of their holy book. Roll Eyes

For God's sake Brian, YOU posted these verses out of the New Testment...not me.

And you did so as evidence that we Christians are taught to murder gay people just like you Muslims do.

In essence, you ATTEMPTED TO PERVERT THESE VERSES IN THE NAME OF ISLAM by lying about what they stated.

How about you apologize for being so disrespectful and then you can apologize for your blatant lying.

And after that, how about you promise to never do it again.

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #46 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:24pm

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:20pm:

Lisa Brian once argued that it is wrong to criticise other religions or countries, to the point where it is not even possible.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:57pm:

Typical Brian thought process. Our opinions about Islam must have nothing to do with Islam, but basing them on another religion is fine.

Your opinions have been shown, time and time again, to have little to do with Islam but are rather all about your bigotry towards Islam and Muslims, FD. Roll Eyes

So it is nothing to do with say, the most progressive Muslim we have ever had on here, a self identified reformer, arguing that 800 Jews deserved to die for being a mindless collective of treacherous Jews?

I only object to that because I am a bigot?

As Gandalf has shown, they are your words, not his, FD. You use your own inflammatory language to describe what others have said, rather than their own words. Does that make you a bigot and a liar? Roll Eyes

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #47 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:27pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:22pm:

No answer eh?

Let me tell you why.

Because I've caught you out in an abominable lie against Christians.

You attempted to blur us in with what Islam teaches/advocates re Gays....and it utterly failed!

Next time you think you can try such a pathetic stunt....think again!

And you will not be able to use the Holy Bible against me. Ever.

Why?

Because unlike you, I grew up in a Christian household AND I myself made the decision to believe in Jesus Christ.

That's your choice but don't try and push your viewpoint onto me, please, Lisa.

I am not on here 24 hours a day. I have replied when and where I believe it is necessary.

You can believe in your god. Why aren't you willing to obey his command to "love everybody"? Why do you hate all Muslims simply for being Muslims? Why do you hate me, for believing something different to yourself? It appears to me like you have your views on Christianity and they don't accord with reality to me. Roll Eyes

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #48 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:28pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:28pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:20pm:

Lisa Brian once argued that it is wrong to criticise other religions or countries, to the point where it is not even possible.

FD, Brian needs to practise what he preaches.

Why?

ALL HE DOES IS CRITICIZE OTHER RELIGIONS AND COUNTRIES.

And that makes him a hypocrite!

Why? How? I tell the truth about Christianity and other countries. You appear to be living in a fantasy world, Lisa, not I. Roll Eyes

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #49 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:30pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:41pm:

I'm not a big fan of the old testament eye-for-an-eye type stuff.

The Old Testament was BEFORE Christ.

If you're a Christian then the New Testament governs your faith and core values.

And despite the awful and despicable lies posted above by Brian...WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOTHING LIKE THE MUSLIMS...WE DO NOT ADVOCATE THE MURDER OF GAY PEOPLE.

FURTHERMORE, WE ARE TOLD BY JESUS THE SON OF GOD IN THE NEW TESTAMENT TO LOVE OUR ENEMIES...NOT ENGAGE IN SOME FORM OF PERPETUAL JIHAD AGAINST THEM WHICH INVOLVES MURDERING THEM.

Why is the Old Testament a part of the Christian Bible, Lisa?

Why do many Christians quote the Old Testament when they are justifying an atrocity?

These are questions all Christians seem to shy away from when I ask them. Why? Roll Eyes

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #50 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:31pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:18pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:11pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:57pm:

Typical Brian thought process. Our opinions about Islam must have nothing to do with Islam, but basing them on another religion is fine.

I've not taken much notice of Brian before.

Why? Because Aussie keeps blurring any discussions around this guy with his constant trolling.

The sad thing is....I can see that somewhere along Brian's life, some Muslim has been in his ear.

I have know many Muslims, Lisa. I've served next to one in the Australian Army. We rarely discussed religion. I see nothing wrong with talking to Christians about Christianity and I see nothing wrong with talking to Muslims about Islam. Do you? Why?

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And now the guy is sitting around in cyberspace posting utter anti Christian nonsense.

Mmm, "anti Christian nonsense"? Surely that is a matter of interpretation? Or are we all beholden to you and your pro-Christian beliefs, Lisa? Have you ever looked at the history of Christianity, seriously? Really? Roll Eyes

Stop your nonsense about my Christian faith.

The bottom line is this :

You're a Muslim.

But for some reason, you won't admit it.

Are you embarrassed, ashamed, scared?

Which one is it?

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #51 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:33pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:41pm:

I'm not a big fan of the old testament eye-for-an-eye type stuff.

The Old Testament was BEFORE Christ.

If you're a Christian then the New Testament governs your faith and core values.

And despite the awful and despicable lies posted above by Brian...WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOTHING LIKE THE MUSLIMS...WE DO NOT ADVOCATE THE MURDER OF GAY PEOPLE.

FURTHERMORE, WE ARE TOLD BY JESUS THE SON OF GOD IN THE NEW TESTAMENT TO LOVE OUR ENEMIES...NOT ENGAGE IN SOME FORM OF PERPETUAL JIHAD AGAINST THEM WHICH INVOLVES MURDERING THEM.

Why is the Old Testament a part of the Christian Bible, Lisa?

Why do many Christians quote the Old Testament when they are justifying an atrocity?

These are questions all Christians seem to shy away from when I ask them. Why? Roll Eyes

Actually, no we don't.

But given you're a Muslim, how would you even know?

Hence your perverse and ignorant assumption.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 40834	Re: Muslims always tell us what they think Reply #52 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:37pm Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:22pm: For God's sake Brian, YOU posted these verses out of the New Testment...not me. Yes, I did, didn't I? Quote: And you did so as evidence that we Christians are taught to murder gay people just like you Muslims do. Why do you assume I am a Muslim?
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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #53 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:41pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:31pm:

Stop your nonsense about my Christian faith.

Why? You've the one who's brought it into the conversation, not me.

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The bottom line is this :

You're a Muslim.

Why do you assume I am a Muslim, Lisa?

Have I ever said I am a Muslim? YES/NO

Have I ever indicated that I am religious in any way? YES/NO

Get back to us when you have an answer, please, Lisa, rather than just your "assumptions". Roll Eyes

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But for some reason, you won't admit it.

Are you embarrassed, ashamed, scared?

Which one is it?

None of the above, Lisa. Worked it out yet? Roll Eyes

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #54 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:42pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:33pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:30pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:12pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:41pm:

I'm not a big fan of the old testament eye-for-an-eye type stuff.

The Old Testament was BEFORE Christ.

If you're a Christian then the New Testament governs your faith and core values.

And despite the awful and despicable lies posted above by Brian...WE CHRISTIANS ARE NOTHING LIKE THE MUSLIMS...WE DO NOT ADVOCATE THE MURDER OF GAY PEOPLE.

FURTHERMORE, WE ARE TOLD BY JESUS THE SON OF GOD IN THE NEW TESTAMENT TO LOVE OUR ENEMIES...NOT ENGAGE IN SOME FORM OF PERPETUAL JIHAD AGAINST THEM WHICH INVOLVES MURDERING THEM.

Why is the Old Testament a part of the Christian Bible, Lisa?

Why do many Christians quote the Old Testament when they are justifying an atrocity?

These are questions all Christians seem to shy away from when I ask them. Why? Roll Eyes

Actually, no we don't.

So answer them, Lisa, answer them... Roll Eyes

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #55 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 7:27pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:07pm:

Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:51pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 1:44pm:

Why do you assume his views are typical of Australian Muslims? Roll Eyes

Why do you 'assume' they aren't?

Don't they all read the same comic, the Koran?

I know they aren't 'cause I know many Muslims.

So, don't all Christians read the same "comic, The Bible"? Does not The Bible have exhortations to murder Gay people in it? YES/NO Roll Eyes

Maybe you should 'read between the lines', especially the title of this thread?

No......can't see Christians in the title?

And YES Christians do.......but the Bible is a limited edition old son......... Roll Eyes

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #56 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 7:38pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:22pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:13pm:

Brian, verse for verse Islam vs Christianity is irrelevant.

My, how quickly you disown your own Holy Book's words, Gordy. Yet, you attack Muslims for their Holy Book's words, even when they aren't obeying them... Roll Eyes

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Christians protest with placards. Muslims just kill them, state sponsored killings of homosexuals.

Really? Yet we have Australia's Homosexual capital, Sydney, the same city which has the highest Muslim population and the two co-exist, side-by-side, without any problems. We don't have mobs of Muslims, patrolling the streets killing homosexuals. Funny that, hey? Seems to me your characterisations of Muslims leaves a great deal to be desired, Gordy. No bigotry there? Yes, some Muslims kill Homosexuals just some Christians kill Homosexuals, yet you appear only willing to condemn Muslims. I wonder why? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

Brian, firstly, I'm an avowed secularist, you're not paying attention.

Secondly, there was a massive surge in violence against gays by Middle Eastern men in Oxford Street during the time Notorious and BFL were hanging out there, 2000 to about 2010, gays nearly abandoned Oxford St.

This is something I know a fair bit about, Brian.
Hope this helps.

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Re: Muslims always tell us what they think
Reply #57 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:08pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:24pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:20pm:

Lisa Brian once argued that it is wrong to criticise other religions or countries, to the point where it is not even possible.

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 4:57pm:

Typical Brian thought process. Our opinions about Islam must have nothing to do with Islam, but basing them on another religion is fine.

Your opinions have been shown, time and time again, to have little to do with Islam but are rather all about your bigotry towards Islam and Muslims, FD. Roll Eyes

So it is nothing to do with say, the most progressive Muslim we have ever had on here, a self identified reformer, arguing that 800 Jews deserved to die for being a mindless collective of treacherous Jews?

I only object to that because I am a bigot?

As Gandalf has shown, they are your words, not his, FD. You use your own inflammatory language to describe what others have said, rather than their own words. Does that make you a bigot and a liar? Roll Eyes

Is this me putting words into Gandalf's mouth Brian?

freediver wrote on May 27^th, 2016 at 6:16pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 10:27am:

freediver wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 8:26am:

If you think these 800 people acted as some kind of mindless collective

Thats exactly what they were.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 8^th, 2013 at 7:38pm:

Also the treachery of the jews had nothing to do with them refusing to help the muslims.
Simple facts FD.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 5^th, 2013 at 3:11pm:

As I said, there was no real concept of individuality - your personality was literally defined by which tribe you belonged to. And the decisions that govern the tribe are very much decisions that are represented by all the individuals who make up the tribe. Thus there really is no question of collective guilt - no matter how abhorrent we find the term today.

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 4^th, 2013 at 3:48pm:

Muhammad had been burnt before by granting another traitorous tribe free passage to leave the city - upon which they immediately started plotting against Medina and instigating hostilities.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

The leaders conspired - yes.

The rest of them had the opportunity to disown their treachery. They declined. So tough titties- off with their heads.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jun 28^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

What do you think the Banu Qurayza would have done to the muslims if their planned back-stabbing assault on Medina had succeeded?

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 6^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

Like I keep saying, it is reasonable to accuse them of collective guilt, since at any time any individual had the opportunity to disassociate themselves from the decisions made on behalf of the tribe.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Online Representative of me Posts: 40834	Re: Muslims always tell us what they think Reply #58 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:13pm Fuzzball wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 7:27pm: Maybe you should 'read between the lines', especially the title of this thread? No......can't see Christians in the title? And YES Christians do.......but the Bible is a limited edition old son......... The Bible is an unlimited edition, old boy...
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44450 Gender:	Re: Muslims always tell us what they think Reply #59 - Jun 20^th, 2016 at 8:16pm Brian Ross wrote on Jun 20^th, 2016 at 6:37pm: Why do you assume I am a Muslim? Er... your basic attitude is dishonesty?
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