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Re: Where’s Waleed Aly?
Reply #120 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 8:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:58pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:23pm:

I hate Islamists and hope you do too.

You hope that someone else hates?

This says an awful lot about you, but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

We know ...

... you actively encourage others to hate.

I had you pegged from the start.

Go away troll.

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Re: Where’s Waleed Aly?
Reply #121 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 8:07pm

I like some of Canada's laws.

Public incitement of hatred

319 (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

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Re: Where’s Waleed Aly?
Reply #122 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 8:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

I like some of Canada's laws.

Public incitement of hatred

319 (1) Every one who, by communicating statements in any public place, incites hatred against any identifiable group where such incitement is likely to lead to a breach of the peace is guilty of

(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years; or

(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction.

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Re: Where’s Waleed Aly?
Reply #123 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 8:13pm

Ireland has interesting laws too.

(1) It shall be an offence for a person—

(a) to publish or distribute written material,

(b) to use words, behave or display written material—

(i) in any place other than inside a private residence, or

(ii) inside a private residence so that the words, behaviour or material are heard or seen by persons outside the residence,

or

(c) to distribute, show or play a recording of visual images or sounds,

if the written material, words, behaviour, visual images or sounds, as the case may be, are threatening, abusive or insulting and are intended or, having regard to all the circumstances, are likely to stir up hatred.

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Re: Where’s Waleed Aly?
Reply #124 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:15pm

GordyL wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:23pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:01pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 5:52pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 5:39pm:

Im struggling to see Gordy's point.

So some unsavoury people were at a protest and Waleed didn't tell them off for it.

The whole protest was arranged and attended by the worst of the Islamist community in Sydney. Wally thought it a good idea to get ahead of things and defend them. Now seriously I don't think he supports terrorists but he was way too quick to defend all things Islam, and this is one of those ones he should have unreservedly condemned with no excuses. The Muslims I know did

Did you actually read the article, Gordy?

And when Waleed wrote it, how was he to know any of the "worst of the worst" was present?

We're not going to agree on this but here's my thoughts.

He's saying they're acting out because they're humiliated.
The Muslims I know who are indeed a very secular bunch think anyone who feels humiliated for the attention being aimed at ISLAMISTS actually DESERVE to be humiliated.

Mothra, you mentioned you were previously catholic. Do you take ownership or feel humiliated for Pell's actions and fall from grace? You shouldn't, unless you defend him.

You think I hate Muslims. In fact I don't. I hate Islamists and hope you do too.

Another point we'll disagree on, I think Islam is just the mother-lode of bad ideas, and is a perfect incubator for Islamisim and Jihadisim.

For some balance, I've never actually done anything in the real world to protest about the scary moozlims.
I was however active in my local school about ensuring ethics classes were available when the school chaplaincy program was introduced.
I also wrote 2 letters to my local member, our current PM complaining about the program.

But Gordy, the attention isn't just being heaped upon Islamists, it's dread over the whole of Islam. Look at this forum. You yourself routinely refer to Muslims.

Not Islamists. Muslims.

And I don't hate anyone. I hate ideas a D actions, not people.

As for my ownership over the actions of Cardinal Pell, I don't see how me being a Catholic when I was a kid confers me with any responsibility . I didn't feel obliged to comment. Isn't it interesting how we demand Muslim people apologise for all of their bad eggs? If they're not vocal enough, we get ever so cross with them.

And interesting about the school chaplaincy thing. I fought it tooth and nail too.

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Re: Where’s Waleed Aly?
Reply #125 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:31pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:53pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:23pm:

I hate Islamists and hope you do too.

You hope that someone else hates?

This says an awful lot about you, but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

We know you love Islamists. It's a given.

i hate islamics

Really? Why, Sprint? What have Muslims ever done to make you hate them all, indiscriminately? Roll Eyes

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Re: Where’s Waleed Aly?
Reply #126 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:44pm

mothra wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:15pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:23pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:01pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 5:52pm:

mothra wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 5:39pm:

Im struggling to see Gordy's point.

So some unsavoury people were at a protest and Waleed didn't tell them off for it.

The whole protest was arranged and attended by the worst of the Islamist community in Sydney. Wally thought it a good idea to get ahead of things and defend them. Now seriously I don't think he supports terrorists but he was way too quick to defend all things Islam, and this is one of those ones he should have unreservedly condemned with no excuses. The Muslims I know did

Did you actually read the article, Gordy?

And when Waleed wrote it, how was he to know any of the "worst of the worst" was present?

We're not going to agree on this but here's my thoughts.

He's saying they're acting out because they're humiliated.
The Muslims I know who are indeed a very secular bunch think anyone who feels humiliated for the attention being aimed at ISLAMISTS actually DESERVE to be humiliated.

Mothra, you mentioned you were previously catholic. Do you take ownership or feel humiliated for Pell's actions and fall from grace? You shouldn't, unless you defend him.

You think I hate Muslims. In fact I don't. I hate Islamists and hope you do too.

Another point we'll disagree on, I think Islam is just the mother-lode of bad ideas, and is a perfect incubator for Islamisim and Jihadisim.

For some balance, I've never actually done anything in the real world to protest about the scary moozlims.
I was however active in my local school about ensuring ethics classes were available when the school chaplaincy program was introduced.
I also wrote 2 letters to my local member, our current PM complaining about the program.

But Gordy, the attention isn't just being heaped upon Islamists, it's dread over the whole of Islam. Look at this forum. You yourself routinely refer to Muslims.

Not Islamists. Muslims.

And I don't hate anyone. I hate ideas a D actions, not people.

As for my ownership over the actions of Cardinal Pell, I don't see how me being a Catholic when I was a kid confers me with any responsibility . I didn't feel obliged to comment. Isn't it interesting how we demand Muslim people apologise for all of their bad eggs? If they're not vocal enough, we get ever so cross with them.

And interesting about the school chaplaincy thing. I fought it tooth and nail too.

Have you noticed my absence in the inbreeding type threads? I don't attack Muslims just the crazyacts of the idiology.

It's just a terminology thing when I refer to Muslims. My scorn is directed at the idiology. I make no apology for thinking it's a religion suited to 500 years ago and we should resign it to history and demand they accept secularism.

It's my opinion that conservative Islam is not far out of step with the Islamists but I guess on this we'll have to agree to disagree.

Why would you be surprised about my disgust for the school chaplaincy program? I've made it pretty clear I'm a an avowed secularist.

One thing I promise you, if Australia suddenly got an influx of American fundementilists I'll be equally as vocal.

Btw we had a great outcome with the ethics classes, our teachers are so good even some of the religious kids are attending.

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Re: Where’s Waleed Aly?
Reply #127 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:47pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:31pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:53pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:23pm:

I hate Islamists and hope you do too.

You hope that someone else hates?

This says an awful lot about you, but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

We know you love Islamists. It's a given.

i hate islamics

Really? Why, Sprint? What have Muslims ever done to make you hate them all, indiscriminately? Roll Eyes

Oi! Ahmed.

A question.

Islamist vs Muslim.

Same or different in your opinion?

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Re: Where’s Waleed Aly?
Reply #128 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:49pm

GordyL wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:44pm:

Have you noticed my absence in the inbreeding type threads? I don't attack Muslims just the crazyacts of the idiology.

It's just a terminology thing when I refer to Muslims. My scorn is directed at the idiology. I make no apology for thinking it's a religion suited to 500 years ago and we should resign it to history and demand they accept secularism.

It's my opinion that conservative Islam is not far out of step with the Islamists but I guess on this we'll have to agree to disagree.

Why would you be surprised about my disgust for the school chaplaincy program? I've made it pretty clear I'm a an avowed secularist.

One thing I promise you, if Australia suddenly got an influx of American fundementilists I'll be equally as vocal.

I note you haven't demanded that we force all Christians/Buddhists/Hindus/etc. to accept secularism, Gordy.

What about our own, home grown fundamentalists like Moses/Yadda/Sprintcyclist/etc.? I haven't noticed you attacking them and their belief systems. Why?

Looks to me like your attacks on religion are one sided. Funny that. Roll Eyes

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Re: Where’s Waleed Aly?
Reply #129 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:51pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:49pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:44pm:

Have you noticed my absence in the inbreeding type threads? I don't attack Muslims just the crazyacts of the idiology.

It's just a terminology thing when I refer to Muslims. My scorn is directed at the idiology. I make no apology for thinking it's a religion suited to 500 years ago and we should resign it to history and demand they accept secularism.

It's my opinion that conservative Islam is not far out of step with the Islamists but I guess on this we'll have to agree to disagree.

Why would you be surprised about my disgust for the school chaplaincy program? I've made it pretty clear I'm a an avowed secularist.

One thing I promise you, if Australia suddenly got an influx of American fundementilists I'll be equally as vocal.

I note you haven't demanded that we force all Christians/Buddhists/Hindus/etc. to accept secularism, Gordy.

What about our own, home grown fundamentalists like Moses/Yadda/Sprintcyclist/etc.? I haven't noticed you attacking them and their belief systems. Why?

Looks to me like your attacks on religion are one sided. Funny that. Roll Eyes

Read about up a few lines about school chaplaincy you nong.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35346 Gender:	Re: Where’s Waleed Aly? Reply #130 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:52pm I wasn't surprised Gordy. Just interested. Im very passionate about the subject. I've got a few tales to tell about it too.
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Re: Where’s Waleed Aly?
Reply #131 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:55pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:47pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:31pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:53pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:23pm:

I hate Islamists and hope you do too.

You hope that someone else hates?

This says an awful lot about you, but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

We know you love Islamists. It's a given.

g

i hate islamics

Really? Why, Sprint? What have Muslims ever done to make you hate them all, indiscriminately? Roll Eyes

Oi! Ahmed.

A question.

Islamist vs Muslim.

Same or different in your opinion?

Wow. That's a really stupid question.

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Re: Where’s Waleed Aly?
Reply #132 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:56pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:31pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:53pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:23pm:

I hate Islamists and hope you do too.

You hope that someone else hates?

This says an awful lot about you, but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

We know you love Islamists. It's a given.

i hate islamics

Really? Why, Sprint? What have Muslims ever done to make you hate them all, indiscriminately? Roll Eyes

Here we go again!

Same as gun owners. Right?

It might surprise you to look up the ethnicity (read religion) with relation to some of the 'mass' shootings in the USA over the last 10 years.

Not an Aboriginal or Buddhist among 'em.

According to you, it's the gun-culture in the USA.

Nuffin' to do with Islam, right?

According to your rhetoric, guns and Islam are like oil and water, like rape and respect.

History proves otherwise. As a historian and statistician yourself, Brian, I think you might agree.

But haters gotta hate, according to Brian, and that's nothing to do with .... .

Anybody.

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Re: Where’s Waleed Aly?
Reply #133 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:59pm

Lionel Edriess wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:31pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:53pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 7:41pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 6:23pm:

I hate Islamists and hope you do too.

You hope that someone else hates?

This says an awful lot about you, but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest.

We know you love Islamists. It's a given.

i hate islamics

Really? Why, Sprint? What have Muslims ever done to make you hate them all, indiscriminately? Roll Eyes

Here we go again!

Same as gun owners. Right?

It might surprise you to look up the ethnicity (read religion) with relation to some of the 'mass' shootings in the USA over the last 10 years.

Not an Aboriginal or Buddhist among 'em.

According to you, it's the gun-culture in the USA.

Nuffin' to do with Islam, right?

According to your rhetoric, guns and Islam are like oil and water, like rape and respect.

History proves otherwise.

As a historian and statistician yourself, Brian, I think you might agree.

But haters gotta hate, according to Brian, and that's nothing to do with .... .

Anybody.

Roll Eyes

Ummm please don't tell me you actually believe that BS Grin

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Re: Where’s Waleed Aly?
Reply #134 - Jun 24^th, 2016 at 10:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:49pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 24^th, 2016 at 9:44pm:

Have you noticed my absence in the inbreeding type threads? I don't attack Muslims just the crazyacts of the idiology.

It's just a terminology thing when I refer to Muslims. My scorn is directed at the idiology. I make no apology for thinking it's a religion suited to 500 years ago and we should resign it to history and demand they accept secularism.

It's my opinion that conservative Islam is not far out of step with the Islamists but I guess on this we'll have to agree to disagree.

Why would you be surprised about my disgust for the school chaplaincy program? I've made it pretty clear I'm a an avowed secularist.

One thing I promise you, if Australia suddenly got an influx of American fundementilists I'll be equally as vocal.

I note you haven't demanded that we force all Christians/Buddhists/Hindus/etc. to accept secularism, Gordy.

What about our own, home grown fundamentalists like Moses/Yadda/Sprintcyclist/etc.? I haven't noticed you attacking them and their belief systems. Why?

Looks to me like your attacks on religion are one sided. Funny that. Roll Eyes

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.......Christians/Buddhists/Hindus/etc........

can all live in a secular society peaceably.

islam cannot

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