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Re: Where’s Waleed Aly?
Reply #150 - Jun 25^th, 2016 at 3:57pm

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Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 1:15am:

Can't it? Most Australian Muslims would disagree with that statement, Sprint. That you have made it just shows how deep your bigotry runs.

So, what created this bigotry, Sprint? I'm interested to find out why you hate all Muslims so much.

Islam requires submission to its tenets, including sharia. There is absolutely nothing secular about sharia law.

I don't think anybody has claimed there is. However, only in Islamic nations do they live by varying versions of what is referred to as "Sh'ria Law", Frank. Personally, I don't have a problem with that, it's what the populations of those nations have chosen to order their society. It may be a mistake but it is their mistake to make. Roll Eyes

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So your silly and dishonest assertion simply cannot hold, by definition: you cannot be both a submitting to Islam and promote and believe in secular democracy. They are categorically and definitionally incompatible.

Except you are ignore the Q'ranic instruction to obey the secular Prince's (ie Government's) laws, Frank.

How does that apparent contradiction work, then?

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That some Muslims are prepared to bide their time is not the same as actually turning their backs on submission to sharia and choosing instead free thought, open and secular and democratic institutions, never to submit to sharia again.

Why, Frank? Is that because you believe that? I know many Muslims who'd disagree with you. Most that I know, have little or no interest in living under Sh'ria law. Funny that.

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Your 'oh, you hate Muslims' trope is contemptible, dishonest, lying crap. Islam needs more criticism, not less and your turning any criticism of Islam into some 'you hate Muslims' nonsense is testament to you inherent dishonesty.

No, you can criticise Islam but it appears that the bigots here cannot without insulting Muslims in the process, Frank. You're shaping up to be one of those bigots, in case you hadn't noticed it... Roll Eyes

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Reply #151 - Jun 25^th, 2016 at 3:59pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 3:34pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 8:01am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 1:15am:

Can't it? Most Australian Muslims would disagree with that statement, Sprint. That you have made it just shows how deep your bigotry runs.

So, what created this bigotry, Sprint? I'm interested to find out why you hate all Muslims so much.

When a terrorist commits or is about to commit and act of murder, no-one, not even you thinks 'bloody Buddhists'.

Hindu's don't violate and mutilate their female children with some backwater tribal tradition that has no place anywhere let alone Australia.

You wont hear that there are twice as many Jews fighting for an international terrorist organisation as are serving in the ADF.

You never hear of a christian Australian run up behind some poor bastard and scream "Jesus is the sh1t" before pulling the trigger.

So yes when people think terrorist, they automatically think muslim; and it is all of their of doing.

Even the doing of the Muslims who don't do or support those things? Really?

I wonder, did people automatically think, "Irish" when they heard of a Terrorist plot or action in the 1980s?

I wonder, did people automatically think, "Vietnamese" when they heard of a Terrorist plot or action in the 1960s?

You're thinking like a sheep, not a human if you believe all Terrorists today are Muslims. That the media chooses to concentrate on Muslim Terrorists is the fault of the media which has chosen to sensationalise and the people who believe them, when they publicise Muslim Terrorists. Today there are non-Muslim Terrorists in Thailand, in Myanmar, in India, in Central and West Africa, in Spain, in Northern Ireland, in Mexico, in most of Latin and northern, South America, yet their Terrorism goes unnoticed in the English media. I wonder why? Roll Eyes

I may not have been clear which country I was talking about so I run a highlight over my reference points, sorry about that.

We'll let those other countries sort out their own terrorist problems shall we.

Don't recall the 60's too well, but there is not a lot of reports of Vietnamese terror cells operating in Australia and I do recall the 80s for the most part; also not a lot of reports of Irish terrorist blowing sh1t up in downtown Ipswich.

But to be fair if you can find a terrorist attack or arrest in THIS country in the last few years that was not a muslim but some other religious / political nut-bag, Id be more than happy to discuss it.

Take your time. Grin

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Re: Where’s Waleed Aly?
Reply #152 - Jun 25^th, 2016 at 4:26pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

No, you can criticise Islam but it appears that the bigots here cannot without insulting Muslims in the process, Frank. You're shaping up to be one of those bigots, in case you hadn't noticed it... Roll Eyes

There's another lie.

Show me a criticism of Islam and sharia that you would not call insulting.

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Reply #153 - Jun 25^th, 2016 at 6:21pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 3:59pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 3:34pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 8:01am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 1:15am:

Can't it? Most Australian Muslims would disagree with that statement, Sprint. That you have made it just shows how deep your bigotry runs.

So, what created this bigotry, Sprint? I'm interested to find out why you hate all Muslims so much.

When a terrorist commits or is about to commit and act of murder, no-one, not even you thinks 'bloody Buddhists'.

Hindu's don't violate and mutilate their female children with some backwater tribal tradition that has no place anywhere let alone Australia.

You wont hear that there are twice as many Jews fighting for an international terrorist organisation as are serving in the ADF.

You never hear of a christian Australian run up behind some poor bastard and scream "Jesus is the sh1t" before pulling the trigger.

So yes when people think terrorist, they automatically think muslim; and it is all of their of doing.

Even the doing of the Muslims who don't do or support those things? Really?

I wonder, did people automatically think, "Irish" when they heard of a Terrorist plot or action in the 1980s?

I wonder, did people automatically think, "Vietnamese" when they heard of a Terrorist plot or action in the 1960s?

You're thinking like a sheep, not a human if you believe all Terrorists today are Muslims. That the media chooses to concentrate on Muslim Terrorists is the fault of the media which has chosen to sensationalise and the people who believe them, when they publicise Muslim Terrorists. Today there are non-Muslim Terrorists in Thailand, in Myanmar, in India, in Central and West Africa, in Spain, in Northern Ireland, in Mexico, in most of Latin and northern, South America, yet their Terrorism goes unnoticed in the English media. I wonder why? Roll Eyes

I may not have been clear which country I was talking about so I run a highlight over my reference points, sorry about that.

Apology accepted. I too don't think that these things have any place in Australia and the perpetrators should be punished.

However, I don't think that all Muslims fit that bill, do they? Roll Eyes

In fact I think very, very, very few Muslims in Australia fit that bill. So why attack all Muslims?

What do you think?

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We'll let those other countries sort out their own terrorist problems shall we.

No. If we are asked or we believe it is necessary, we are available to help them sort out their own Terrorist problems. To believe otherwise is to abandon our own humanity. We didn't believe the Jews should be abandoned to the Nazis in WWII. We didn't believe that the PNG'ers should be abandoned to the Japanese, nor the Indonesians or the Philippinos.

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Don't recall the 60's too well, but there is not a lot of reports of Vietnamese terror cells operating in Australia and I do recall the 80s for the most part; also not a lot of reports of Irish terrorist blowing sh1t up in downtown Ipswich.

But both were operating in their home countries, were they not?

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But to be fair if you can find a terrorist attack or arrest in THIS country in the last few years that was not a muslim but some other religious / political nut-bag, Id be more than happy to discuss it.

Take your time. Grin

There are numerous reports of other "religious/political nut bags" operating in Australia. Perhaps you need to do a search online, if you don't remember reading about them at the time. Of course, most of them were white, (nominally at least) Christians... Roll Eyes

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Re: Where’s Waleed Aly?
Reply #154 - Jun 25^th, 2016 at 6:24pm

Frank wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

No, you can criticise Islam but it appears that the bigots here cannot without insulting Muslims in the process, Frank. You're shaping up to be one of those bigots, in case you hadn't noticed it... Roll Eyes

There's another lie.

Show me a criticism of Islam and sharia that you would not call insulting.

When discussing either or both, avoid mention of "Muslims" in an all encompassing manner and I'll basically ignore you, Frank. If you chose to mention Muslims, preface their name with an adjective such as "Extremist" or "Islamist" and I'll basically ignore you. When you don't, I'll assume you're referring to ALL Muslims with good reason. Exactly in the same way if you mention "Englishmen" or "Americans" or "Frenchmen" or "Germans". This is basic debating rules, Frank. Roll Eyes

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Re: Where’s Waleed Aly?
Reply #155 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 12:53pm

Study of Terrorism quickly points you to the undeniable fact that the greatest acts of terror/death/destruction have historically come from government, elected or otherwise.

So - are all governments terrorist by nature?

In this context, one could consider that Islam is a form of government, pure and simple, a theocratic form... and thus potentially far more dangerous at this time in world history than, say Budgie Smuggler governments.... but only time will tell which is/was the greater danger.

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Reply #156 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 2:54pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 3:28pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 7:49am:

Since when do you speak for "most Australian Muslims"?

Since when did you speak for "most bigots", Gnads? Roll Eyes

I don't .... but you seem to think you do.

And I'll wear the "bigot" badge proudly and stand against the Islamisation of Australia by stealth

because apologists like you give me all the more reason.

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Reply #157 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 2:58pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 12:53pm:

Study of Terrorism quickly points you to the undeniable fact that the greatest acts of terror/death/destruction have historically come from government, elected or otherwise.

So - are all governments terrorist by nature?

In this context, one could consider that Islam is a form of government, pure and simple, a theocratic form... and thus potentially far more dangerous at this time in world history than, say Budgie Smuggler governments.... but only time will tell which is/was the greater danger.

That's exactly right Grappler.

But your Brian Ross's of the world harp on about it just being a religion.

It's far more than a religion.

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Re: Where’s Waleed Aly?
Reply #158 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 3:27pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 2:58pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 12:53pm:

Study of Terrorism quickly points you to the undeniable fact that the greatest acts of terror/death/destruction have historically come from government, elected or otherwise.

So - are all governments terrorist by nature?

In this context, one could consider that Islam is a form of government, pure and simple, a theocratic form... and thus potentially far more dangerous at this time in world history than, say Budgie Smuggler governments.... but only time will tell which is/was the greater danger.

That's exactly right Grappler.

But your Brian Ross's of the world harp on about it just being a religion.

It's far more than a religion.

So are all religions, Gnads but we only hear calls for Islam to be banned. I wonder why? Roll Eyes

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Reply #160 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 8:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 6:24pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

No, you can criticise Islam but it appears that the bigots here cannot without insulting Muslims in the process, Frank. You're shaping up to be one of those bigots, in case you hadn't noticed it... Roll Eyes

There's another lie.

Show me a criticism of Islam and sharia that you would not call insulting.

When discussing either or both, avoid mention of "Muslims" in an all encompassing manner and I'll basically ignore you, Frank. If you chose to mention Muslims, preface their name with an adjective such as "Extremist" or "Islamist" and I'll basically ignore you. When you don't, I'll assume you're referring to ALL Muslims with good reason. Exactly in the same way if you mention "Englishmen" or "Americans" or "Frenchmen" or "Germans". This is basic debating rules, Frank. Roll Eyes

The mainstream Muslims, as evidenced by the imams present at the Kirribbilli dinner, are no different and certainly no better in their ideology than the 'extremists'.

Being Muslim, is an an ideology and so it is a choice. Being born English or German isn't a choice, nor an ideology You are dishonest to your core. Or stupid. I don't quite know which. Probably both.

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Reply #161 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:44pm

Gnads wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 2:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 3:28pm:

Gnads wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 7:49am:

Since when do you speak for "most Australian Muslims"?

Since when did you speak for "most bigots", Gnads? Roll Eyes

I don't .... but you seem to think you do.

Have I? Where? Please quote back where I have claimed to speak for "most Muslims"?

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And I'll wear the "bigot" badge proudly and stand against the Islamisation of Australia by stealth

Of course you'd wear the "bigot" badge, Gnads.

Oh, and how is 1.5% of the population going to Islamise the other 98.5% of the population again? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41210	Re: Where’s Waleed Aly? Reply #162 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:45pm Gnads wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 5:49pm: If you need to wonder you need therapy. Amazing how the bigot answers the call...
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Reply #163 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:46pm

Frank wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 8:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 6:24pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 25^th, 2016 at 3:57pm:

No, you can criticise Islam but it appears that the bigots here cannot without insulting Muslims in the process, Frank. You're shaping up to be one of those bigots, in case you hadn't noticed it... Roll Eyes

There's another lie.

Show me a criticism of Islam and sharia that you would not call insulting.

When discussing either or both, avoid mention of "Muslims" in an all encompassing manner and I'll basically ignore you, Frank. If you chose to mention Muslims, preface their name with an adjective such as "Extremist" or "Islamist" and I'll basically ignore you. When you don't, I'll assume you're referring to ALL Muslims with good reason. Exactly in the same way if you mention "Englishmen" or "Americans" or "Frenchmen" or "Germans". This is basic debating rules, Frank. Roll Eyes

The mainstream Muslims, as evidenced by the imams present at the Kirribbilli dinner, are no different and certainly no better in their ideology than the 'extremists'.

Being Muslim, is an an ideology and so it is a choice. Being born English or German isn't a choice, nor an ideology You are dishonest to your core. Or stupid. I don't quite know which. Probably both.

You'd have been wonderful in WWII, Frank. Really wonderful. Which side would you have been on again? The ones pushing people into the gas chambers or the other side? Roll Eyes

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Quantum Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3373	Re: Where’s Waleed Aly? Reply #164 - Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:47pm Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:44pm: Oh, and how is 1.5% of the population going to Islamise the other 98.5% of the population again? Mmmm? They don't need to when they have soft cocks like as part of the 98.5%.
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