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Re: 13 year old abducted raped in Sydney SW
Reply #60 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 7:29am

Karnal wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:42pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:28pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:20pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 10:27pm:

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The obvious answer is that governments don't want us to know the true nature of ethnic crime stats.

Really? I don't buy it. If they did bother, what would be the point. What do they do with a 5th generation Aussie who offends?

Explain, please.

There is obviously a point, or the police across all states and territories wouldn't be doing it.

And I'll spell it out for you: that data, if released to the public, is dynamite, because it shows how well multiculturalism is working in practice.

For example, in lines with the OP, I bet it would show disproportionately rape and gang rape figures amongst Muslims and Sudanese. And that's just for starters

I once mentioned that Lebanese have caused a kerfuffle in Sydney once or twice, Karnal leapt galantly to their defence and gave me a history lesson from the 50s about Abe Saffron

And while we were watching the Ted Mulry gang on Countdown, you were getting your bris in Ontario.

History, innit.

I had to Google bris. Stop thinking about my penis or a Granville Muslim will throw acid in your face

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Re: 13 year old abducted raped in Sydney SW
Reply #62 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 9:06am

ian wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 7:59am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:36pm:

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Really? How? 'Cause the offenders kept misidentifying themselves as being something other than what the authorities believed they were? Roll Eyes

thats a stupid claim.

I wonder how rates of indigenous incarceration is calculated if no records are kept. Maybe they just go by the 'vibe' of where a prisoner seems to be from?

Did the ABS just make this shiiit up?

In 2012, the Australian Bureau of
Statistics (ABS) reported that Aboriginal
and Torres Strait Islander adults were
imprisoned at a rate 15 times higher
than that of non-Indigenous prisoners

https://www.lawcouncil.asn.au/lawcouncil/images/LCA-PDF/Indigenous_Imprisonment_...

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Re: 13 year old abducted raped in Sydney SW
Reply #63 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 9:30am

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"The police were attempting to remove him from the car and he was putting up one hell of a fight against 20 police."

He was charged with a string of offences, including aggravated sexual assault, detain for advantage and kidnapping.

The matter returns to Central Local Court on June 30.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/man-charged-after-two-alleged-sex-attacks-in-sydney-20...

Many among the moslem community can argue [and would agree among themselves] that, in committing the alleged offenses, as a moslem, this individual did nothing wrong!!

And argue, that his 'folly', .....was in being apprehended, by the kuffar!

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

ISLAM sanctions the rape of non-moslem women.

And when numbers of moslems among a non-moslem community have grown considerably, moslems will begin to behave in ways which cause the fear ['respect'] of moslems, among a non-moslem community!

And the rape of non-moslem women, is one sanctioned way, which helps moslem [men] to spread a fear [i.e. defacto 'respect'] for ISLAM.

EVERY DEVOUT MOSLEMS KNOWS, AND UNDERSTANDS, .....that the rape of non-moslem women can be 'RELIGIOUSLY' justified, among moslems, on at least two levels;

1/ the rape of non-moslem women will cause a degree of terror [I.E. the [i.e. defacto 'respect'] for ISLAM], among Allah's enemies.
2/ the rape of non-moslem women offers moslem men a carnal pleasure [i.e. an immediate 'reward'] for their work in spreading fear among Allah's enemies.

The rape of non-moslem women offers a win, win, for ISLAM.

The rape of non-moslem women is regraded among 'ISLAMISTS', as a contribution, of fighting in Allah's cause!

Google;

rape jihad

Allah's Messenger said,
"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."
hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

Allah's Messenger said,
".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."
hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

ISLAM preaches [that when numbers of moslems among a non-moslem community is considerable], moslems should behave in ways which cause the fear ['respect'] of moslems, among a non-moslem community!

i.e. Moslems/ISLAM want all non-moslems to nurture a sense of 'respect' for the wishes of moslems.

A respect which is founded, within a fear of the moslem ability [i.e. a 'potency'] to act to punish those who 'offend' moslems!

Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1331652696/0#0
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ISLAM OFFERS WORLDLY [and carnal] MOTIVATION, IN THIS LIFE...

The reward which ISLAM offers to moslem men, in this world, in the ideal ISLAMIC world, is the promise of 'lawful' rape, 'lawful' plunder, and a 'lawful' absolute authority over their own direct family, and 'lawful' direct control over those non-moslems [...enslaved by moslem terror], that Allah is kind enough to allocate to them.

To my eyes, ISLAM appears to 'legitimize' the oppression, enslavement, and robbery, of non-moslems,
...BECAUSE THEY ARE, NON-MOSLEMS.

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

e.g.
Women, as war booty...
"..Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess:..."
Koran 4.22-24

"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee;..."
Koran 33.50

e.g.
And these ISLAMIC doctrines [relating to non-moslem captive women] are applied in the world today, by moslems...

Pakistan: Christian girls and women, some already married, abducted and forcibly converted to Islam

The marriages of captives are abrogated, by order of the Qur'an: "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess. It is a decree of Allah for you" (4:24).

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/01/pakistan-christian-girls-some-already-married-...

n.b.
It is clear that critics of ISLAM can present irrefutable proof [being ISLAMIC texts, and the example of the conduct of moslem men today], showing how immoral ISLAM is, as a philosophy....

The persecution of non-moslem minorities, by moslems, in majority moslem nations is easy to explore and to prove.

Google;

persecution in muslim countries

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10259 Gender:	Re: 13 year old abducted raped in Sydney SW Reply #64 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 10:56am Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:36pm: Last time I checked, "Nicole", "Muslim" was a follower of Islam, not an ethnicity... Religion is a part of one's ethnicity.
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: 13 year old abducted raped in Sydney SW Reply #65 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 10:59am Correct.
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Unforgiven Gold Member Offline I have sinned Posts: 8879 Gender:	Re: 13 year old abducted raped in Sydney SW Reply #66 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 11:00am Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 10:56am: Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:36pm: Last time I checked, "Nicole", "Muslim" was a follower of Islam, not an ethnicity... Religion is a part of one's ethnicity. So, people with no religion have no ethnicity?
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Unforgiven Gold Member Offline I have sinned Posts: 8879 Gender:	Re: 13 year old abducted raped in Sydney SW Reply #67 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 11:00am ian wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 10:59am: Correct. Ignorance is ian's finest quality.
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Re: 13 year old abducted raped in Sydney SW
Reply #68 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 11:03am

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 10:56am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:36pm:

Last time I checked, "Nicole", "Muslim" was a follower of Islam, not an ethnicity... Roll Eyes

Religion is a part of one's ethnicity.

So, people with no religion have no ethnicity?

Read the comment again. Damn, youre thick. As an example, middle eastern people often declare themselves as Muslim when asked where they are from.

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Re: 13 year old abducted raped in Sydney SW
Reply #69 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 11:05am

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 10:56am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:36pm:

Last time I checked, "Nicole", "Muslim" was a follower of Islam, not an ethnicity... Roll Eyes

Religion is a part of one's ethnicity.

So, people with no religion have no ethnicity?

Ethnicity covers a numbers of things. Religion is one of them.

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Re: 13 year old abducted raped in Sydney SW
Reply #70 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 11:18am

I think this is predominantly a male issue in general. The need to feel in power over women in particular. The said person would have done the crime regardless of his religious affiliation. What I am concerned about is that many people here seemed to think that only non white ethnic man is involved, or involved in higher proportion. This is not true. As in Australia, we still have a royal commission into institutionalized sexual abuse / rape that had been ongoing for years. And lets not forget, the worst pedophile in history - a man with an online handle of Lux, and his associate who operates out of Indonesia against vulnerable children.

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Re: 13 year old abducted raped in Sydney SW
Reply #71 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 12:49pm

GordyL wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 7:29am:

Karnal wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:42pm:

GordyL wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:28pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:20pm:

Aussie wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 10:27pm:

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The obvious answer is that governments don't want us to know the true nature of ethnic crime stats.

Really? I don't buy it. If they did bother, what would be the point. What do they do with a 5th generation Aussie who offends?

Explain, please.

There is obviously a point, or the police across all states and territories wouldn't be doing it.

And I'll spell it out for you: that data, if released to the public, is dynamite, because it shows how well multiculturalism is working in practice.

For example, in lines with the OP, I bet it would show disproportionately rape and gang rape figures amongst Muslims and Sudanese. And that's just for starters

I once mentioned that Lebanese have caused a kerfuffle in Sydney once or twice, Karnal leapt galantly to their defence and gave me a history lesson from the 50s about Abe Saffron

And while we were watching the Ted Mulry gang on Countdown, you were getting your bris in Ontario.

History, innit.

I had to Google bris. Stop thinking about my penis or a Granville Muslim will throw acid in your face

I think you're getting us confused with the Harris Park Hindus, Gordy.

We grew here, you flew here.

STOP THE BOATS.

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Re: 13 year old abducted raped in Sydney SW
Reply #72 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 5:44pm

tickleandrose wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 11:18am:

I think this is predominantly a male issue in general.

The need to feel in power over women in particular.

The said person would have done the crime regardless of his religious affiliation.

tickleandrose,

A flawed logic and argument, ....when we examine the criminal behaviour of moslems, committing criminal assaults against non-moslems.

[e.g. do devout moslems commit such crimes [of sexual violence] against fellow moslems ???
please cite 3 instances.]

YES, some persons from every culture will break cultural laws and will break national laws and commit crimes against their fellow 'nationals' or citizens.

But ISLAM actually sanctions [i.e. makes 'lawful'] this particular crime [and many other crimes!], whenever those crimes are committed against those persons who are not moslems.

Such crimes [i.e. crimes by our laws] are sanctioned as 'lawful', by the ISLAMIC 'law of Jihad', whenever those crimes are conducted against Allah's enemies.

FOR EXAMPLE;

100 Nigerian schoolgirls kidnapped by Boko-Haram.

So what! So what!

Such conduct is NOT unlawful to a devout moslem! ....and every devout moslem knows, .....that mainstream ISLAM sanctions such behaviour, by the moslem. !!!!!

Mohammed [the most adored personage, within ISLAM] [by his example] said it is OK for moslem men [like himself] to abduct and to rape women you have personally captured, .....as recorded in the Hadith [ISLAMIC religious texts!!]....

Quote:

"We went out with Allah's Messenger"
= = Mohammed was in the company of these men.

"on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women"
= = it was some form of raiding party, where they, 'took captive some excellent Arab women'.

"and we desired them"
= = hmmmm, i wonder what that means?

"for we were suffering from the absence of our wives"
= = ah, in the absence they wives, they desired these women for sex, to satisfy their sexual lust.

"(but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them."
= = in their minds, they sought to sexually 'use' these captive Arab women, and then let their menfolk redeem them.

"So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them"
= = yep, Allah's finest, sought to sexually 'use' these 'excellent' captive Arab women.

Those [above] extracts from the Hadith are cited, with references, here;

Bikeway rapist gets 25 years in jail
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251431040/8#8

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CRIMINAL INTENT, IN THE MOSLEM HEART
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1252898491/0#0
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Every moslem in Australia [and indeed, every moslem on the planet], by self declaring as a moslem, is self declaring a criminal intent [by our laws] against local non-moslems.

ISLAM is a criminal compact among moslems, to wage a violent 'religious' war against non-moslems ['disbelievers'].

.....Basically, fundamentally, all ISLAMIC doctrine translates as enmity, and encourages [criminal] violence, towards ALL non-moslems.

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Re: 13 year old abducted raped in Sydney SW
Reply #73 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 7:07pm

ian wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 7:59am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:36pm:

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Really? How? 'Cause the offenders kept misidentifying themselves as being something other than what the authorities believed they were? Roll Eyes

thats a stupid claim.

Is it?

How do you think the authorities identified an offender's "ethnicity", Ian?

Does this man look like an "Asian"?

Or is he of Russian extraction?

Afterall, his name is Ian Goodenough MHR... Roll Eyes

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Re: 13 year old abducted raped in Sydney SW
Reply #74 - Jun 27^th, 2016 at 7:08pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 11:05am:

Unforgiven wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 11:00am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Jun 27^th, 2016 at 10:56am:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 26^th, 2016 at 11:36pm:

Last time I checked, "Nicole", "Muslim" was a follower of Islam, not an ethnicity... Roll Eyes

Religion is a part of one's ethnicity.

So, people with no religion have no ethnicity?

Ethnicity covers a numbers of things. Religion is one of them.

Does it? Religion is what "Nicole" is interested in. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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