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Re: Christians to apologise to Homosexuals
Reply #30 - Jun 30th, 2016 at 1:30pm
 
Too many Christians nowadays are "cafeteria Christians" picking and choosing what to follow in the bible and what to ignore.

The bible mentions the sin of homosexuality around 6 times and the sin of eating shellfish a good 11 or more times.

God hates faggots but not as much as a prawn cocktail.

The 4 gospels in New Testament is oddly quiet on the issue of homosexuality. Which is to be expected if you spend all your time alone with 12 men....

However the Nazarene does say one thing which may be a reference to homosexuality

Matthew 19 talks about marriage

Matthew 19:11 But He said to them,
“Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given."


Matthew 19:12
"For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."


Eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men is pretty self explanatory

Eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs are men who foreswear marriage to better serve God.

But eunuchs born from their mother's womb is an interesting turn of phrase. During the time of the Nazarene the term "born a eunuch" was a term to describe "effeminate" men, commonly associated with homosexual desire. It was a widely used term and the Nazarene would have been familiar with it's meaning.

He lists people born gay alongside another honoured class (eunuchs for the kingdom), and accepts them as a natural part of God’s creation order.

The Nazarene teaches that most people are created for heterosexual marriage. But he does not see this as the only honourable way to live. He acknowledges that some human beings have been created by God to follow a less common, but equally legitimate path. There are some who have been eunuchs from birth — made that way by God.
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Re: Christians to apologise to Homosexuals
Reply #31 - Jun 30th, 2016 at 1:40pm
 
stryder wrote on Jun 29th, 2016 at 9:11am:
Too bad that the left who felt some moral obligation to champion the rights of gays and lesbians in contrast to the thinking and practices that christians have held, wont do the same against muslims, particular the radicalised, westerm hating ones.

Its a pity through and through, It truly exhibits moral cowardice from the political left on that one.


the left are safe to oppose Christian values.
We won't kill them .

they won't oppose islamic values.
muslims will kill them for that.
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Re: Christians to apologise to Homosexuals
Reply #32 - Jun 30th, 2016 at 1:47pm
 
Raven wrote on Jun 30th, 2016 at 1:30pm:
Too many Christians nowadays are "cafeteria Christians" picking and choosing what to follow in the bible and what to ignore.

The bible mentions the sin of homosexuality around 6 times and the sin of eating shellfish a good 11 or more times.

God hates faggots but not as much as a prawn cocktail.

The 4 gospels in New Testament is oddly quiet on the issue of homosexuality. Which is to be expected if you spend all your time alone with 12 men....

However the Nazarene does say one thing which may be a reference to homosexuality

Matthew 19 talks about marriage

Matthew 19:11 But He said to them,
“Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given."


Matthew 19:12
"For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it."


Eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men is pretty self explanatory

Eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs are men who foreswear marriage to better serve God.

But eunuchs born from their mother's womb is an interesting turn of phrase. During the time of the Nazarene the term "born a eunuch" was a term to describe "effeminate" men, commonly associated with homosexual desire. It was a widely used term and the Nazarene would have been familiar with it's meaning.

He lists people born gay alongside another honoured class (eunuchs for the kingdom), and accepts them as a natural part of God’s creation order.

The Nazarene teaches that most people are created for heterosexual marriage. But he does not see this as the only honourable way to live. He acknowledges that some human beings have been created by God to follow a less common, but equally legitimate path. There are some who have been eunuchs from birth — made that way by God.



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............Matthew 19:11-12New International Version (NIV)

Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given.
For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven.
The one who can accept this should accept it.”.........



https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+19:11-12
I do not interpret as you do raven

I do not see it as being a homo reference
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Re: Christians to apologise to Homosexuals
Reply #33 - Jul 1st, 2016 at 2:36pm
 
Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 30th, 2016 at 1:40pm:
stryder wrote on Jun 29th, 2016 at 9:11am:
Too bad that the left who felt some moral obligation to champion the rights of gays and lesbians in contrast to the thinking and practices that christians have held, wont do the same against muslims, particular the radicalised, westerm hating ones.

Its a pity through and through, It truly exhibits moral cowardice from the political left on that one.


the left are safe to oppose Christian values.
We won't kill them .

they won't oppose islamic values.
muslims will kill them for that.


Kill the Muslims for that.
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