Australian Politics Forum - US driver killed while Tesla electric car on ‘auto

Quantum

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 3373

Re: US driver killed while Tesla electric car on ‘auto
Reply #15 - Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 12:03am

Setanta wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 10:38pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 9:45am:

Whoops

US driver killed while Tesla electric car on ‘autopilot’ mode

US auto-safety regulators are investigating Tesla Motors’ autopilot feature after a motorist using the system died in Florida, ratcheting up scrutiny on the electric vehicle maker and on the auto industry’s race to develop driverless cars.

Tesla alerted the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to the crash nearly two months ago, shortly after a tractor-trailer made a left turn in front a Tesla Model S sedan that had the autopilot feature deployed, according to a statement from the agency overnight (AEST).

Tesla said the technology — designed to conduct some of the critical functions traditionally left to drivers — didn’t automatically brake because the truck couldn’t be detected given certain conditions. The accident was mentioned in a police blotter in the Levy County Journal.

Joshua Brown, a 40-year-old Ohio owner of a Tesla Model S, died when his electric car drove under the trailer of an 18-wheel semi during a trip on a highway in Williston, Florida, according to the police blotter report and public records. The driver of the truck, Frank Baressi, said that the Tesla was moving at a high speed and didn’t hit the brakes.

In a statement, Tesla said that the vehicle was on a divided highway with autopilot engaged when a tractor trailer drove across the highway perpendicular to the Model S. “Neither Autopilot nor the driver noticed the white side of the tractor trailer against a brightly lit sky, so the brake wasn’t applied,” Tesla said. The high ride height of the trailer combined with its positioning across the road and the extremely rare circumstances of the impact caused the Model S to pass under the trailer, with the bottom of the trailer hitting the windshield of the Model S.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/us-driver-killed-while-tesla-electric-c...

Looks like it would have happened anyway.

But the driver wasn't driving the car. He could have been sending a message on his phone, something that he wouldn't be doing (hopefully wouldn't) if he was actually driving the car.

This is a case of trusting a computer to do the task fully for you when the computer wasn't up to the task. Unless the driver was actively monitoring the situation to make sure the computer wasn't making an error then it is impossible to say that a human would not have seen a truck in front of it.

Back to top

IP Logged

Setanta

Gold Member

Offline

\/ Peace man!

Posts: 16621
Northern NSW
Gender: male

Re: US driver killed while Tesla electric car on ‘auto
Reply #16 - Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 12:34am

Quantum wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 12:03am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 10:38pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 9:45am:

Whoops

US driver killed while Tesla electric car on ‘autopilot’ mode

US auto-safety regulators are investigating Tesla Motors’ autopilot feature after a motorist using the system died in Florida, ratcheting up scrutiny on the electric vehicle maker and on the auto industry’s race to develop driverless cars.

Tesla alerted the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration to the crash nearly two months ago, shortly after a tractor-trailer made a left turn in front a Tesla Model S sedan that had the autopilot feature deployed, according to a statement from the agency overnight (AEST).

Tesla said the technology — designed to conduct some of the critical functions traditionally left to drivers — didn’t automatically brake because the truck couldn’t be detected given certain conditions. The accident was mentioned in a police blotter in the Levy County Journal.

Joshua Brown, a 40-year-old Ohio owner of a Tesla Model S, died when his electric car drove under the trailer of an 18-wheel semi during a trip on a highway in Williston, Florida, according to the police blotter report and public records. The driver of the truck, Frank Baressi, said that the Tesla was moving at a high speed and didn’t hit the brakes.

In a statement, Tesla said that the vehicle was on a divided highway with autopilot engaged when a tractor trailer drove across the highway perpendicular to the Model S. “Neither Autopilot nor the driver noticed the white side of the tractor trailer against a brightly lit sky, so the brake wasn’t applied,” Tesla said. The high ride height of the trailer combined with its positioning across the road and the extremely rare circumstances of the impact caused the Model S to pass under the trailer, with the bottom of the trailer hitting the windshield of the Model S.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/us-driver-killed-while-tesla-electric-c...

Looks like it would have happened anyway.

But the driver wasn't driving the car. He could have been sending a message on his phone, something that he wouldn't be doing (hopefully wouldn't) if he was actually driving the car.

This is a case of trusting a computer to do the task fully for you when the computer wasn't up to the task. Unless the driver was actively monitoring the situation to make sure the computer wasn't making an error then it is impossible to say that a human would not have seen a truck in front of it.

Point taken. Looks like it could have happened anyway.

Back to top

IP Logged

issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: US driver killed while Tesla electric car on ‘auto Reply #17 - Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 7:24am Law require ships at sea to maintain a watch whether they are on autopilot or not. People are going to use driverless cars so they can dick around on their smart phones. No problem, until half the traffic and the pedestrians are doing it too. Technology for technology's sake.
Back to top	No political allegiance. No philosophy. No religion. IP Logged

Gnads

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 29856
Gender: male

Re: US driver killed while Tesla electric car on ‘auto
Reply #18 - Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 7:37am

As Ajax has stated the highway/road environment has too many variables for any fully automated function of a motor vehicle to safely operate.

All vehicles would have to be operating under the same conditions.

There is no way in the world that I would use or trust an autopilot system on a motor car.

And I think the bloke who got killed in the US was an idiot for using it.

I bet he was an accident waiting to happen anyway.

Back to top

"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais

IP Logged

BigOl64 Gold Member Offline Posts: 14438 Townsville QLD Gender:	Re: US driver killed while Tesla electric car on ‘auto Reply #19 - Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 8:09am issuevoter wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 9:58pm: Too complicated. Computers are not the answer to everything. Im surprised rusty nail hasn't come on here and accused you of being a libbo, house hording luddite for such blasphemy.
Back to top	IP Logged

Fuzzball Gold Member Offline Posts: 6381 Australia Gender:	Re: US driver killed while Tesla electric car on ‘auto Reply #20 - Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 8:35am If you're going to watch "Harry Potter" whilst the car drives itself, you may as well shoot yourself in the head. These "auto-pilot" features are not meant to replace the driver's attention.
Back to top	Life's Journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting, "Holy Sh!t ... What a Ride!" IP Logged

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49321 At my desk.	Re: US driver killed while Tesla electric car on ‘auto Reply #21 - Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 10:21am How do we know what the driver noticed? He was probably watching the truck wondering when the autopilot would kick in.
Back to top	People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words. IP Logged

Sir lastnail

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 30095
Gender: male

Re: US driver killed while Tesla electric car on ‘auto
Reply #22 - Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 10:32am

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 8:09am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 9:58pm:

Too complicated. Computers are not the answer to everything.

Im surprised rusty nail hasn't come on here and accused you of being a libbo, house hording luddite for such blasphemy. Grin

why would I do that f..kface ?

Back to top

In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.

IP Logged

Sir lastnail

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 30095
Gender: male

Re: US driver killed while Tesla electric car on ‘auto
Reply #23 - Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 10:37am

Gnads wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 7:37am:

As Ajax has stated the highway/road environment has too many variables for any fully automated function of a motor vehicle to safely operate.

All vehicles would have to be operating under the same conditions.

There is no way in the world that I would use or trust an autopilot system on a motor car.

And I think the bloke who got killed in the US was an idiot for using it.

I bet he was an accident waiting to happen anyway.

When you can go for a sleep in the back seat of the car and the car gets you from A to B without ending up in hospital then you know the technology is ready but I don't believe this will be the case for a long time to come. There are too many issues that the technology has to deal with but eventually they will get it right. Probably when all cars can communicate with each other over a common network then this will help considerably.

Back to top

In August 2021, Newcastle Coroner Karen Dilks recorded that Lisa Shaw had died “due to complications of an AstraZeneca COVID vaccination”.

IP Logged

BigOl64

Gold Member

Offline

Posts: 14438
Townsville QLD
Gender: male

Re: US driver killed while Tesla electric car on ‘auto
Reply #24 - Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 10:46am

Sir lastnail wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 10:32am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 8:09am:

issuevoter wrote on Jul 1^st, 2016 at 9:58pm:

Too complicated. Computers are not the answer to everything.

Im surprised rusty nail hasn't come on here and accused you of being a libbo, house hording luddite for such blasphemy. Grin

why would I do that f..kface ?

That is your 'go to' reply for everyone who doesn't race headlong into unproven technology.

That and extreme personal abuse

Back to top

« Last Edit: Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 10:53am by BigOl64 »

IP Logged

John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74966 Gender:	Re: US driver killed while Tesla electric car on ‘auto Reply #25 - Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 11:32am freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 10:21am: How do we know what the driver noticed? He was probably watching the truck wondering when the autopilot would kick in. I thought that too, except that if he were watching it, wouldn't he have at the very least ducked just prior to impact?
Back to top	Our esteemed leader: I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus. IP Logged

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49321 At my desk.	Re: US driver killed while Tesla electric car on ‘auto Reply #26 - Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 11:49am Have you checked the brain splatter pattern?
Back to top	People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words. IP Logged

issuevoter

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 9200
The Great State of Mind
Gender: male

Re: US driver killed while Tesla electric car on ‘auto
Reply #27 - Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 12:00pm

As we are Hell "Bent" on driverless cars, they will require enforced servicing certification something like aircraft. Driverless old-bangers will not allowed on the road. Just the same, people will take them out on the road illegally. Its a future the automotive industry and lawyers will love. Enforced replacement, and court cases. Japan already gives cars a short life span, and then ships their cast-offs to us.

Back to top

No political allegiance. No philosophy. No religion.

IP Logged

innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: US driver killed while Tesla electric car on ‘auto Reply #28 - Jul 2^nd, 2016 at 3:34pm I was thinking that there is no way I would take my eyes of the road even if the car was driving itself but I guess eventually you would get complacent after a while.
Back to top	IP Logged

Gnads Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 29856 Gender:	Re: US driver killed while Tesla electric car on ‘auto Reply #29 - Jul 3^rd, 2016 at 10:07am Could it be a fair assumption that as the semi-trailer pulled out ... the sensors of the car read the free space under the trailer between prime mover and rear trailer wheels? It continued on ....... to become a convertible.
Back to top	"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful and difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid." ~ Ricky Gervais IP Logged