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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #60 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:18pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:04pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 4:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 4:41pm:

Tell me Big0l, in your experience of the emotional and physical terror involved in being gang raped, what position, if any, are you in to judge how women react in the aftermath of a brutal and clearly horrifying gang rape?

Very perceptive of you. People's reactions and responses to a woman being raped can and do continue to violate her.

Some of the comments on this thread are reprehensible and I seriously hope that no woman in the lives of any of these men should ever require meaningful support from them.

She deliberatey hid the identities of her attackers, knowing they would be let loose on other women. Is not acceptable to me, and should not be acceptable to you either. Angry

I'm with you Big. Aiding criminals because you are an ultra leftist is selfish behaviour. Everybody has the responsibility to report violent crime .

You're saying a woman should be forced to report a rape?

Never said that; I said she lied, no-one forced her to report, she lied all by herself to protect the rapists

To protect the rapists? Do you think there was a chance they would be caught? That would be extraordinarily unlikely.

I expect she knew that.

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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #61 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:42pm

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

To protect the rapists? Do you think there was a chance they would be caught? That would be extraordinarily unlikely.

I expect she knew that.

I'd think there is no chance at all if she didn't tell the police what she knew. She probably would have carried their dna and if they didn't get caught this time, they'd be on record for any future crime they committed.

She also slandered her own countrymen to protect her rapists.

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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #62 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:53pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:42pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

To protect the rapists? Do you think there was a chance they would be caught? That would be extraordinarily unlikely.

I expect she knew that.

I'd think there is no chance at all if she didn't tell the police what she knew. She probably would have carried their dna and if they didn't get caught this time, they'd be on record for any future crime they committed.

She also slandered her own countrymen to protect her rapists.

So you're saying she should have had samples removed? With or without her consent?

Can you imagine suffering an internal procedure after you've just been raped?

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Reply #63 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:03pm

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:53pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:42pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

To protect the rapists? Do you think there was a chance they would be caught? That would be extraordinarily unlikely.

I expect she knew that.

I'd think there is no chance at all if she didn't tell the police what she knew. She probably would have carried their dna and if they didn't get caught this time, they'd be on record for any future crime they committed.

She also slandered her own countrymen to protect her rapists.

So you're saying she should have had samples removed? With or without her consent?

Can you imagine suffering an internal procedure after you've just been raped?

No, did it look like that was what I was saying?

She reported it, she lied about who committed the crime, refused to have samples taken because they would show she lied and chose to blame it on her own countrymen, whilst knowing they were out there and almost certainly likely to target other women. It was all her choice.

Do I think it was the right thing to do ethically, hell no and I am saying so. Why not just not report?

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Reply #64 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:09pm

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:04pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 4:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 4:41pm:

Tell me Big0l, in your experience of the emotional and physical terror involved in being gang raped, what position, if any, are you in to judge how women react in the aftermath of a brutal and clearly horrifying gang rape?

Very perceptive of you. People's reactions and responses to a woman being raped can and do continue to violate her.

Some of the comments on this thread are reprehensible and I seriously hope that no woman in the lives of any of these men should ever require meaningful support from them.

She deliberatey hid the identities of her attackers, knowing they would be let loose on other women. Is not acceptable to me, and should not be acceptable to you either. Angry

I'm with you Big. Aiding criminals because you are an ultra leftist is selfish behaviour. Everybody has the responsibility to report violent crime .

You're saying a woman should be forced to report a rape?

Never said that; I said she lied, no-one forced her to report, she lied all by herself to protect the rapists

To protect the rapists? Do you think there was a chance they would be caught? That would be extraordinarily unlikely.

I expect she knew that.

They were muslim freeloaders in an area she worked at and was raped in; she knew who they were and what they were. Stop trying to protect the rapists, they already have her doing that for them.

She was not so traumatised that she was unable to report the attack. She deliberately and knowing facilitated their freedom by making a false police report.

And you are making excuses for her reprehensible behaviour; well done.

She is a typical scumbag lefty allowing muslim rapists to infest her country. Angry

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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #65 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:10pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:03pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:53pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:42pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

To protect the rapists? Do you think there was a chance they would be caught? That would be extraordinarily unlikely.

I expect she knew that.

I'd think there is no chance at all if she didn't tell the police what she knew. She probably would have carried their dna and if they didn't get caught this time, they'd be on record for any future crime they committed.

She also slandered her own countrymen to protect her rapists.

So you're saying she should have had samples removed? With or without her consent?

Can you imagine suffering an internal procedure after you've just been raped?

No, did it look like that was what I was saying?

She reported it, she lied about who committed the crime, refused to have samples taken because they would show she lied and chose to blame it on her own countrymen, whilst knowing they were out there and almost certainly likely to target other women. It was all her choice.

Do I think it was the right thing to do ethically, hell no and I am saying so. Why not just not report?

You're hypothesising. You don't know why she didn't want samples taken.

She amended her statement 12hrs later.

She was in shock.

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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #66 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:13pm

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:09pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:04pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 4:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 4:41pm:

Tell me Big0l, in your experience of the emotional and physical terror involved in being gang raped, what position, if any, are you in to judge how women react in the aftermath of a brutal and clearly horrifying gang rape?

Very perceptive of you. People's reactions and responses to a woman being raped can and do continue to violate her.

Some of the comments on this thread are reprehensible and I seriously hope that no woman in the lives of any of these men should ever require meaningful support from them.

She deliberatey hid the identities of her attackers, knowing they would be let loose on other women. Is not acceptable to me, and should not be acceptable to you either. Angry

I'm with you Big. Aiding criminals because you are an ultra leftist is selfish behaviour. Everybody has the responsibility to report violent crime .

You're saying a woman should be forced to report a rape?

Never said that; I said she lied, no-one forced her to report, she lied all by herself to protect the rapists

To protect the rapists? Do you think there was a chance they would be caught? That would be extraordinarily unlikely.

I expect she knew that.

They were muslim freeloaders in an area she worked at and was raped in; she knew who they were and what they were. Stop trying to protect the rapists, they already have her doing that for them.

She was not so traumatised that she was unable to report the attack. She deliberately and knowing facilitated their freedom by making a false police report.

And you are making excuses for her reprehensible behaviour; well done.

She is a typical scumbag lefty allowing muslim rapists to infest her country. Angry

So she deserves to be raped again, right Bigol? She deserves what she got too.

This is, after all, what you are saying.

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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #67 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:20pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:17pm:

Personally, I would put her rather bizarre initial reaction down to the emotional trauma of the rape - again, something which I'm pretty sure you have no inkling of what it is like. And while I'm no expert in the field, I'm pretty sure that a sort of "Stockholm syndrone" effect is not uncommon with rape victims, as a coping mechanism for the trauma suffered by someone who is understandably not in the right state of mind. A reasonable assumption that is supported by the fact that she "came to her senses" in the hours after the event, and acknowledged her mistake.

But Stockholm Syndrome is the term applied when captives begin to sympathize with their captors, and it tends to happen over a period of days.

I don't claim expertise in the field of psychology either -- and feel free to provide credible evidence that disproves my take on this -- but I don't find much of anything online that links Stockholm Syndrome to gang rape, especially when it's a relatively brief, one-time act involving strangers.

I think it's more likely that the woman was a leftist who was simply adhering to the tenets of political correctness by viewing refugees as victims, even after she herself was sexually abused. In her world, racism is worse than rape.

Note that an Express report identifies her as "a passionate activist for refugee rights," who has "worked tirelessly to help refugees integrate into German society and has also visited a refugee centre in Iraq."
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/686192/selin-goren-arabic-men-rape-quiet-enc...

She reportedly was "enraged" that the police first asked if her attackers were refugees, and even after she came clean to the police (at her boyfriend's urging, according to the Express), she posted this on Facebook: "I am really sorry that your sexist and line-crossing treatment of me could help fuel aggressive racism."

In other words, her political viewpoint after the assault isn't all that different from her political viewpoint before the assault. So my impression is that her "rather bizarre initial reaction" (a description I agree with) has less to do with psychology than ideology.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16621 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: German politician RAPED Reply #68 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:21pm mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:10pm: You're hypothesising. You don't know why she didn't want samples taken. She amended her statement 12hrs later. She was in shock. Yes I am but it logically fits with the rest of what she did. Possibly but now you are hypothesising.
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Reply #69 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:27pm

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:13pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:09pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:18pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:09pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:04pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:00pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 4:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 4:41pm:

Tell me Big0l, in your experience of the emotional and physical terror involved in being gang raped, what position, if any, are you in to judge how women react in the aftermath of a brutal and clearly horrifying gang rape?

Very perceptive of you. People's reactions and responses to a woman being raped can and do continue to violate her.

Some of the comments on this thread are reprehensible and I seriously hope that no woman in the lives of any of these men should ever require meaningful support from them.

She deliberatey hid the identities of her attackers, knowing they would be let loose on other women. Is not acceptable to me, and should not be acceptable to you either. Angry

I'm with you Big. Aiding criminals because you are an ultra leftist is selfish behaviour. Everybody has the responsibility to report violent crime .

You're saying a woman should be forced to report a rape?

Never said that; I said she lied, no-one forced her to report, she lied all by herself to protect the rapists

To protect the rapists? Do you think there was a chance they would be caught? That would be extraordinarily unlikely.

I expect she knew that.

They were muslim freeloaders in an area she worked at and was raped in; she knew who they were and what they were. Stop trying to protect the rapists, they already have her doing that for them.

She was not so traumatised that she was unable to report the attack. She deliberately and knowing facilitated their freedom by making a false police report.

And you are making excuses for her reprehensible behaviour; well done.

She is a typical scumbag lefty allowing muslim rapists to infest her country. Angry

So she deserves to be raped again, right Bigol? She deserves what she got too.

This is, after all, what you are saying.

She is a lying, vile, piece of sh1t who deliberate and knowingly facilitated the free entry of rapists in to her country; what do you think she deserves.

She facilitated rapists, this not something that was hypothesised they actually committed a vile rape and she made sure that they would not be found by the police.

Yeah, she is a fine upstanding human, a rousing round of applause for her and all scumbag lefties like her. Angry

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Reply #70 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

And yes, just to clarify, FD really did ask where the apologists were - after his deafening silence over someone expressing their hope that a rape victim would get raped again.

I'm happy to repeat what I said:

Anyone giving false evidence about the perpetrators of a rape, deserves to be the subject of further non-consensual poundings until her moral inhibitions about doing so have been thoroughly humped, shagged, rooted, and banged out of her tiny little mind.

We've just been witness to decades of lies, deceit, and evasions on behalf of church authorities wanting to hide their priests from the glare of media crucifixions for their nasty little proclivities.

No more protecting the guilty.

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Reply #71 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:28pm

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

You're hypothesising. You don't know why she didn't want samples taken.

She amended her statement 12hrs later.

She was in shock.

But attributing her actions to "shock" is also hypothesizing.

And the fact is, her PC attitude toward refugees has essentially remained the same before and after the assault. Look at what her Facebook post said: "What really hurts me is that it is a fact that the sexist and over the line incident that happened to me will inevitably lead to more aggression and racism."

So in her mind, racism is worse than rape, especially when directed against refugees.

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Reply #72 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:31pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 4:26pm:

And yes, just to clarify, FD really did ask where the apologists were - after his deafening silence over someone expressing their hope that a rape victim would get raped again.

I'm happy to repeat what I said:

Anyone giving false evidence about the perpetrators of a rape, deserves to be the subject of further non-consensual poundings until her moral inhibitions about doing so have been thoroughly humped, shagged, rooted, and banged out of her tiny little mind.

We've just been witness to decades of lies, deceit, and evasions on behalf of church authorities wanting to hide their priests from the glare of media crucifixions for their nasty little proclivities.

No more protecting the guilty.

Another disgusting comment.

Who you bloody men thin you are is anyone's guess.

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Reply #74 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:33pm

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:28pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

You're hypothesising. You don't know why she didn't want samples taken.

She amended her statement 12hrs later.

She was in shock.

But attributing her actions to "shock" is also hypothesizing.

And the fact is, her PC attitude toward refugees has essentially remained the same before and after the assault. Look at what her Facebook post said: "What really hurts me is that it is a fact that the sexist and over the line incident that happened to me will inevitably lead to more aggression and racism."

So in her mind, racism is worse than rape, especially when directed against refugees.

I didn't attribute her actions, I said she would have been in shock.

I'll say it again. She would have been in shock. Trust me.

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