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Reply #76 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:39pm

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:20pm:

I think it's more likely that the woman was a leftist who was simply adhering to the tenets of political correctness by viewing refugees as victims, even after she herself was sexually abused. In her world, racism is worse than rape.

In which case the fact that she went to the police in the first place makes no sense - and even less sense to fess up 12 hours later and admit that it was in fact immigrants. In my opinion you are unreasonably dismissing the role the trauma of being raped played in this story - and putting forward a pretty implausible theory
that paints what clearly appears to be panicked and trauma-filled reactions in the aftermath of what must have been a hugely traumatic event for her, as some sort of cold, calculating political scheming.

Either way, I'm pretty sure you are not suggesting that she deserved to be raped, or that she deserves to be raped again - which is really what I was responding to.

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Reply #77 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:41pm

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:33pm:

I didn't attribute her actions, I said she would have been in shock.

I'll say it again. She would have been in shock. Trust me.

OK, but shock in and of itself doesn't explain why she would lie about her attackers speaking German.

And maybe you're not claiming such a link. I'm just saying her actions have more to do with ideology than psychology.

An American man who's been beaten up and robbed in a New York alley is likely in shock too, but that doesn't tend to lead to him telling the police, "They spoke Finnish!"

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Reply #78 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:45pm

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:28pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

You're hypothesising. You don't know why she didn't want samples taken.

She amended her statement 12hrs later.

She was in shock.

But attributing her actions to "shock" is also hypothesizing.

And the fact is, her PC attitude toward refugees has essentially remained the same before and after the assault. Look at what her Facebook post said: "What really hurts me is that it is a fact that the sexist and over the line incident that happened to me will inevitably lead to more aggression and racism."

So in her mind, racism is worse than rape, especially when directed against refugees.

You've enigmatically arrived at the conclusion that she thinks racism is worse than rape but you've probably not factored in that she probably doesn't like either very much.

Jesus, you guys have no idea about rape.

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Reply #79 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:47pm

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

You're saying a woman should be forced to report a rape?

If he isn't, I am.

Very definitely it should be an indictable offence to knowingly conspire with a rapist or rapists to keep him or them free out on the streets as a proven threat to other women.

I would make it a custodial offence to knowingly put other women at hazard of being raped.

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Reply #80 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:39pm:

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:20pm:

I think it's more likely that the woman was a leftist who was simply adhering to the tenets of political correctness by viewing refugees as victims, even after she herself was sexually abused. In her world, racism is worse than rape.

In which case the fact that she went to the police in the first place makes no sense - and even less sense to fess up 12 hours later and admit that it was in fact immigrants.

Either way, I'm pretty sure you are not suggesting that she deserved to be raped, or that she deserves to be raped again - which is really what I was responding to.

We can speculate on why she went to the police at all, perhaps she wanted to let out some emotion, report her violation but what she did was also lie to protect her rapists blame it on her own countrymen and refuse to give DNA samples or they would have been taken. She was convinced to change her story after she told the truth to a friend, it was not her first choice, it was someone telling her what she should have done in the first place.

I have never and never would suggest what others here seem to.

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Reply #81 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:50pm

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:20pm:

I think it's more likely that the woman was a leftist who was simply adhering to the tenets of political correctness by viewing refugees as victims, even after she herself was sexually abused. In her world, racism is worse than rape.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:39pm:

In which case the fact that she went to the police in the first place makes no sense - and even less sense to fess up 12 hours later and admit that it was in fact immigrants.

Sure it makes sense, because according to the Express, she didn't seek out the police -- "A member of the public who saw her in a distraught state soon afterwards called the police." And she admits to being "outraged" that their first question was whether her attackers were refugees. It was her boyfriend who persuaded her to come clean, not simply an attack of conscience.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:39pm:

Either way, I'm pretty sure you are not suggesting that she deserved to be raped, or that she deserves to be raped again - which is really what I was responding to.

I don't think she deserved or deserves to be raped, but I believe she betrayed other German women by failing to tell the truth about her attackers. What if the same men raped somebody else because her phony story delayed the investigation?

Perhaps she should face charges for filing a false report.

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Reply #82 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:52pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:47pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

You're saying a woman should be forced to report a rape?

If he isn't, I am.

Very definitely it should be an indictable offence to knowingly conspire with a rapist or rapists to keep him or them free out on the streets as a proven threat to other women.

I would make it a custodial offence to knowingly put other women at hazard of being raped.

No idea.

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Reply #83 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:54pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:49pm:

We can speculate on why she went to the police at all.

According to the Express, she wasn't the one who went to the police. Check this out: "A member of the public who saw her in a distraught state soon afterwards called the police."
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/686192/selin-goren-arabic-men-rape-quiet-enc...

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Reply #84 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:59pm

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

You've enigmatically arrived at the conclusion that she thinks racism is worse than rape but you've probably not factored in that she probably doesn't like either very much.

Nothing enigmatic about it, and not my conclusion.

She's the one who was "outraged" by the cops' first question, "Were they refugees?"

So her first concern was not about getting rapists off the street, or getting justice in her own case, but in protecting her attackers from "more aggression and racism" -- again, her words.

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Jesus, you guys have no idea about rape.

She's the one who spoke for herself. I merely quoted her.

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Reply #85 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 7:03pm

4thEstate, the daily express directly contradicts the Daily Mail - who to believe? I must say the express doesn't fill me with confidence - after the reporter firstly opines that the attackers were speaking either Kurdish or Farsi, then a few sentences later asserting that the men were "Arabic in appearance" Tongue

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:50pm:

It was her boyfriend who persuaded her to come clean, not simply an attack of conscience.

jeez you don't give much credit. Do you not think its possible that she was "persuaded" to come clean - by "an attack of conscience"? Presumably she was free to ignore her boyfriend's advise- unless you are suggesting she was somehow coerced against her will (though there is no evidence of this)?

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Reply #86 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 7:08pm

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:54pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:49pm:

We can speculate on why she went to the police at all.

According to the Express, she wasn't the one who went to the police. Check this out: "A member of the public who saw her in a distraught state soon afterwards called the police."
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/686192/selin-goren-arabic-men-rape-quiet-enc...

OK. Serves me right for reading the Daily Mail article linked int the OP and commenting on it. So I'll change my previous story to be a hypothetical based on the DM article.

On the Express article:
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Adding to this, Ms Goren said the first question she was asked by police was: "Were they refugees?"
She said this enraged her, so she replied no.

It's weird that she took the question as implied racism and was more outraged about that than being raped. I think that shows we can rule out "shock".

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Reply #87 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 7:10pm

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:28pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:10pm:

You're hypothesising. You don't know why she didn't want samples taken.

She amended her statement 12hrs later.

She was in shock.

But attributing her actions to "shock" is also hypothesizing.

And the fact is, her PC attitude toward refugees has essentially remained the same before and after the assault. Look at what her Facebook post said: "What really hurts me is that it is a fact that the sexist and over the line incident that happened to me will inevitably lead to more aggression and racism."

So in her mind, racism is worse than rape, especially when directed against refugees.

You've enigmatically arrived at the conclusion that she thinks racism is worse than rape but you've probably not factored in that she probably doesn't like either very much.

Jesus, you guys have no idea about rape.

But is is easy enough to identify a lying piece of sh1t, sub human who facilitates the entry of rapists into her own country.

But feel free to defend her vile actions; maybe she will facilitate more rapists in the future. Angry

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Reply #88 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 7:13pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 7:08pm:

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:54pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:49pm:

We can speculate on why she went to the police at all.

According to the Express, she wasn't the one who went to the police. Check this out: "A member of the public who saw her in a distraught state soon afterwards called the police."
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/686192/selin-goren-arabic-men-rape-quiet-enc...

OK. Serves me right for reading the Daily Mail article linked int the OP and commenting on it. So I'll change my previous story to be a hypothetical based on the DM article.

On the Express article:
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Adding to this, Ms Goren said the first question she was asked by police was: "Were they refugees?"
She said this enraged her, so she replied no.

It's weird that she took the question as implied racism and was more outraged about that than being raped. I think that shows we can rule out "shock".

No it doesn't rule out shock.

She would have been in shock and not thinking clearly.

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Reply #89 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 7:14pm

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:52pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 6:47pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 5:08pm:

You're saying a woman should be forced to report a rape?

If he isn't, I am.

Very definitely it should be an indictable offence to knowingly conspire with a rapist or rapists to keep him or them free out on the streets as a proven threat to other women.

I would make it a custodial offence to knowingly put other women at hazard of being raped.

No idea.

This, from the "man" who openly and adamantly advocates rape.

You couldn't make this stuff up.

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