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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #165 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:40pm

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:39pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:36pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:25pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:18pm:

Hi Mothra,

I don't know a lot about shock, but I know a bit about trauma. The victim has certainly suffered trauma, which, if it causes ptsd can cause blackouts of the event, and tangled up memories, usually just snatches of the event.

But I think it's a long stretch to suggest the trauma would cause the victim to initially think her attackers were German, and then change your mind 12 hours later.

I have enjoyed your spirited defence here, btw.

Hiya Nicole,

I don't think the trans or shock compelled her to lie to the police, I mean only to represent that she wasn't, owing to being in shock, thinking clearly .

As evidenced by her amendments 12hrs later.

Good morning Mothra and Nicole, not all people that suffer traumatic events suffer shock. And then even sufferers of minor events can go into shock, being rear ended in a car for eg. It's roots are psychological but the manifestation are physical. Everyone has a different level of "shock" tolerance.

I don't want this to sound like I am diminishing rape. I'm not.
To say every rape victim is also in shock is to say every rear ended driver is in shock. It's just not so.

You are talking about circulatory shock.

I'm talking about generic shock.

Like... I'm shocked!?

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35522 Gender:	Re: German politician RAPED Reply #166 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:46pm A little more than that Setanta.
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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16621 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: German politician RAPED Reply #167 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:49pm mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:39pm: You are talking about circulatory shock. I'm talking about generic shock. OK, tell me the difference.
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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #168 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:49pm

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:25pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:18pm:

Hi Mothra,

I don't know a lot about shock, but I know a bit about trauma. The victim has certainly suffered trauma, which, if it causes ptsd can cause blackouts of the event, and tangled up memories, usually just snatches of the event.

But I think it's a long stretch to suggest the trauma would cause the victim to initially think her attackers were German, and then change your mind 12 hours later.

I have enjoyed your spirited defence here, btw.

Hiya Nicole,

I don't think the trans or shock compelled her to lie to the police, I mean only to represent that she wasn't, owing to being in shock, thinking clearly .

As evidenced by her amendments 12hrs later.

I agree. But I'm still struggling with the outright lying, and tying it solely to shock. But as confessed, I know little about shock.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16621 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: German politician RAPED Reply #169 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:50pm Flip... Or not difference.
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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #170 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:54pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:49pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:39pm:

You are talking about circulatory shock.

I'm talking about generic shock.

OK, tell me the difference.

Just saying you are shocked, or being shocked about something is very different from
Acute Stress Reaction.

Can you not imagine the difference between being raped and finding out your husband likes to wear women's knickers?

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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #171 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:55pm

Setanta wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:36pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:25pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:18pm:

Hi Mothra,

I don't know a lot about shock, but I know a bit about trauma. The victim has certainly suffered trauma, which, if it causes ptsd can cause blackouts of the event, and tangled up memories, usually just snatches of the event.

But I think it's a long stretch to suggest the trauma would cause the victim to initially think her attackers were German, and then change your mind 12 hours later.

I have enjoyed your spirited defence here, btw.

Hiya Nicole,

I don't think the trans or shock compelled her to lie to the police, I mean only to represent that she wasn't, owing to being in shock, thinking clearly .

As evidenced by her amendments 12hrs later.

Good morning Mothra and Nicole, not all people that suffer traumatic events suffer shock. And then even sufferers of minor events can go into shock, being rear ended in a car for eg. It's roots are psychological but the manifestation are physical. Everyone has a different level of "shock" tolerance.

I don't want this to sound like I am diminishing rape. I'm not.
To say every rape victim is also in shock is to say every rear ended driver is in shock. It's just not so.

Hell, I'll even go out on a limb and say I think it depends how precious a person is. One person I was involved with after a rear ender, not a participant, a woman, got out of the car and thought she was lucky to be alive, she was almost killed, she went into shock.

I take your point setana. Some individuals are more resilient than others.

But let's take Mithras point as given, for a moment - let's accept the victim went into shock.

Could that cause her to make rash decisions she may not otherwise have made? That is the question, I think.

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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #172 - Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:56pm

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:49pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:25pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:18pm:

Hi Mothra,

I don't know a lot about shock, but I know a bit about trauma. The victim has certainly suffered trauma, which, if it causes ptsd can cause blackouts of the event, and tangled up memories, usually just snatches of the event.

But I think it's a long stretch to suggest the trauma would cause the victim to initially think her attackers were German, and then change your mind 12 hours later.

I have enjoyed your spirited defence here, btw.

Hiya Nicole,

I don't think the trans or shock compelled her to lie to the police, I mean only to represent that she wasn't, owing to being in shock, thinking clearly .

As evidenced by her amendments 12hrs later.

I agree. But I'm still struggling with the outright lying, and tying it solely to shock. But as confessed, I know little about shock. I

I think it suffices to say that she wasn't thinking clearly.

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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #177 - Jul 8^th, 2016 at 12:06am

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:54pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:49pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 7^th, 2016 at 11:39pm:

You are talking about circulatory shock.

I'm talking about generic shock.

OK, tell me the difference.

Just saying you are shocked, or being shocked about something is very different from
Acute Stress Reaction.

Can you not imagine the difference between being raped and finding out your husband likes to wear women's knickers?

Can you tell the difference between being thrown into bed then your own knife made out of a piece of steel you found as a 13yo then stuck in your throat rather than tucked in and sung a lullaby?

No shock.

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