The4thEstate wrote on Jul 9
th, 2016 at 4:37am:
2. Sorry, she gets no credit for honestly reporting a crime 12 hours after she reported it dishonestly, especially considering that her PC-fueled lack of candor put other women at risk from the same thugs for half a day.
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 9
th, 2016 at 3:04pm:
You are being completely unreasonable. But I guess I shouldn't be surprised given the increasingly shrill tone of your replies.
There you go again, G, responding to a logical argument with name-calling instead of a counterargument.
You don't even bother trying to justify why I'm supposedly "completely unreasonable" or "increasingly shrill." You just think so because ... you think so.
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 9
th, 2016 at 3:04pm:
I also shouldn't be surprised you have nothing at all to say about one person shreaking that the "b1tch got what she deserved" and another expressing his wish for her to be locked up with her abusers and raped again and again.
Your issue, your burden. Don't look to me to bail you out of your personal Waterloo. If you can't make the case with your own arguments, maybe it's time to man up and concede defeat.
Besides, last time I checked, no one had appointed me the moral arbiter of this forum. So until I get fitted for a Pope's mitre, I'll feel no compulsion to get my undies in a bunch every time someone utters something that would make a Sunday school teacher blanch.
The4thEstate wrote on Jul 9
th, 2016 at 4:37am:
3. So what if "it would have been far easier just to ignore her friend's advise"? It's far easier to avoid doing a lot of things that are difficult, moral and necessary, but that doesn't mean we deserve a special commendation for doing the right thing -- especially 12 hours late.
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 9
th, 2016 at 3:04pm:
Rubbish, of course it does. Especially for someone who's just gone through the trauma of being raped. Tell me estate, what do you think the chances are of someone doing something misguided and irrational in the aftermath of being gang raped? Do you reckon such a victim deserves to be cut a little slack?
Well, I'm not a psychologist and, unless you're concealing something from the forum, neither are you. So neither of us has any business speculating on what sort of behavior might be classified as "misguided and irrational" in response to a trauma.
Like a layman on a jury, the best I can do is consider whether her behavior seems justifiable under the circumstances. And in that regard, I think you're conveniently overlooking several points:
1. It's not as if she avoided going to the police, or telling the truth, because she was embarrassed or in fear for her personal safety. No, her chief concern was that telling the truth might lead to "more hatred against migrants in Germany." So it didn't matter whether the same Middle East savages brutalized other German women -- she had no qualms about sacrificing their well-being on the altar of her pet cause.
2. If she had enough wherewithal to calculate that giving an honest description of her attackers could lead to "racism" against refugees, she had enough wherewithal to calculate that not giving an honest description of her attackers could allow them to remain on the street, free to continue their misogynistic mischief.
3. Even if I felt qualified to debate the psychological reasons for her behavior, your "misguided and irrational" premise wouldn't make it out of the starting gate -- because her attitudes toward refugees remained essentially unchanged before and afterward.
Even after the gang rape, she exuded the following on Facebook (addressing a fictional refugee): "It can happen that racists and concerned citizens name you as the problem. You're not the problem. You're usually a wonderful human being who deserves as much as any other to be safe and free."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3675154/Left-wing-German-politician-rape...Wow. That ranks right up there with "Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play?"
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 9
th, 2016 at 3:04pm:
You are confused about how substantiation works. Its you who needs to substantiate the claim that she thinks racists are worse than rapists. There is absolutely not a shred of evidence to support the claim. And until you do, its based on nothing more than a logical fallacy constructed by a big ol' strawman. Your move.
If that's the best move you've got on this chessboard, you'd have been better off doing the honorable thing and turning your king on its side.
"Not a shred of evidence" to support my argument? Nahhh, none whatsoever -- other than the fact that she said it herself.
Had she considered rapists a bigger problem than racists, she wouldn't have admitted to Der Spiegel that she lied to avoid stoking "more hatred against migrants." Nor would she have said that "when she spoke to police, she was thinking about the protest march against racism and sexism that was due to take place in a few hours."
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/686192/selin-goren-arabic-men-rape-quiet-enc...Ergo, racists were her No. 1 concern, even at the expense of allowing rapists to go unpunished.
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