Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:03am:


You are slowly losing your mind, old man.

"I hope the stupid bitch gets raped by some more Arab Muslims." Lord Herbert

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:05am:


Still got that stash of '70s porn, hey Herbie?

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 5:14am:


So just to be clear estate, you need some context to decide whether or not a call for a rape victim to be repeatedly raped again and again is outrageous and should be condemned?

And yeah, ancient history right? "days ago"? - oh wait, here's what Herb said today:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:24am:


But I guess we should continue spinelessly apologising for this incitement to violence until we can properly understand the "context" right?


The4thEstate wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 12:11am:


Oh dear, you're really not getting this whole 'burden of proof' thing are you? Let me spell it out:
you: her actions in the aftermath of the rape prove she cares more about racism than rape
me: her actions in the aftermath of the rape shouldn't necessarily be taken to be a true reflection of her true state of mind - given that we don't know how irrational she was being on account of the trauma of being raped.

Or in other words, it is you who is stating dogmatically that she was acting rationally and according to her true beliefs despite the trauma of being raped - and thats why she seemed to want to "protect" the rapists. Whereas I am merely cautioning that this is not necessarily the case, and that irrational behaviour due to trauma shouldn't be ruled out - which you are doing. And this is supported by the fact that 12 hours later she seemed to come to her senses (logical, as the effect of the trauma subsides) by letting herself be persuaded that what she did was wrong, and that she should correct her original statement to police. In view of all this, it is reasonable to give her the benefit of the doubt. And citing her continuing to express concern over racism even after this is in no way shape or form proof that she believed racism is worse than rape all along. It is, as I keep saying, a fallacious leap in logic.

Put simply, there is only one person here making dogmatic assumptions about the woman's behaviour (ie - behaviour that "proves" she considers racism worse than rape) that needs to be substantiated, and its not me.


The4thEstate wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 12:11am:


Obviously 

"Obviously" we can ignore the fact that the poor woman had gone through about the most horrific experience imaginable for a woman, and definitely rule out that having any effect on her behaviour.

Tell me this Estate - how do you reckon you'd cope with a jolly good gang raping? Do you reckon you might be just a bit affected psychologically by the event? Can you rule out behaving irrationally, like saying stuff that you wouldn't normally?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 1:19pm:

That's right, G, the first quotes you kept desperately bringing up were indeed posted days ago. Would you like me to go back and tell you how many? Or you can check the date yourself and I can loan you my calculator for an exact count.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 1:19pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:24am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 1:19pm:

Ummm ... who's "apologising" for anything? Not me.

I haven't said anything at all about it. And if you think I have, you must be one of them Psychic Friends Network types with the power of ESPN!


polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 1:19pm:

Oh dear, I never offered an opinion on whether or not she was "acting rationally." What I pointed out was that her behavior after the attack -- with regard to refugees -- was fairly consistent with her behavior toward refugees before the attack.

Feel free to speculate from here to eternity on whether her initial actions reflected her “true state of mind,” but none of that proves me wrong.


polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 1:19pm:

And that’s it? That's your best evidence that I'm wrong?


polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 1:19pm:

Well, she obviously believed it in the beginning, and that's been my point all along. Had she not worried more about racists than rapists, she'd have told the truth about the rapists' ethnicity instead of lying to protect them from racists.

Does she still feel that way? Maybe; maybe not. I say her gushingly pro-migrant Facebook post suggests the former. It said in part: "But what I'm really sorry [for is] the fact that the sexist and cross-border actions that were done to me only help that you are exposed to an increasing and ever aggressive racism."

That sounds to me like a woman who's still more concerned about racists than rapists. But you disagree, and where's your proof?

Oh, that's right -- it boils down to two arguments. In your own words:

1. "Irrational behaviour due to trauma shouldn't be ruled out."
2. "12 hours later she seemed to come to her senses (logical, as the effect of the trauma subsides)."

Dang, what an airtight case you've assembled! I mean, what other conclusion could anyone possibly come to, given that avalanche of overwhelming evidence?

   
polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 1:19pm:

Whether you call it a fallacious leap or a fellatio leap, repeating yourself doesn't make your speculation true.


polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 1:19pm:

Are you propositioning me? 

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 2:58pm:





Told ya so!

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Re: German politician RAPED
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issuevoter wrote on Jul 6th, 2016 at 10:01pm:
So she's gang raped by three Arabs, but does not want their ethnicity to be known because it will add to the existing hostility to Arabs in Europe. Would she identify them, if they were European? That is the question. If so, it doesn't say much for her ethics. In fact, this woman is confused, which ever way you look at it.

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As one of the Muslim sisterhood she felt an obligation to shift attention away from her fellow-Muslims and onto the non-Muslim German host people.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 3:10pm:


Hook, line and sinker.

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 3:15pm:


Proud of what?  Getting your panties all bunched up?

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 3:23pm:


Proud of inciting rape.

The little grub is probably jerking off in his zimmer frame as he thinks about it.