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Reply #405 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:07pm

mothra wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:05pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:57pm:

She amended her statement and went back 12 hours later to tell the truth at a friend's instigation. The friend was worried that other women would also be abused, and rightly so.

She didn't all of a sudden grow a conscience. More than likely the friend was intending to tell the police the truth himself/herself in order to bring these animals to justice.

Pure speculation.

As are your comments to the contrary.

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Black Orchid Gold Member Offline Posts: 5813 Gender:	Re: German politician RAPED Reply #406 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:08pm Gordon wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:05pm: Black Orchid wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:01pm: Gordon wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:56pm: The best line from the story is she is now scared of Arabs. Oh the ironing. Someone stole your 'y'? I like oh the ironing. My grandad used to say it all the time I meant the other 'y'
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Reply #408 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:13pm

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

From a female point of view I don't believe the “irrational behaviour due to trauma” defence. Of course, anyone would be extremely traumatised after a gang rape but a normal reaction to said trauma would be to:-

1. Seek revenge on the perpetrators and bring them to justice; or
2. Withdraw and not report it at all.

Intentionally and hurriedly setting out to report the crime and to lay the blame squarely at the feet of innocent Germans in order to deflect the vicious actions of the true perpetrators does not, in my opinion, exhibit one iota of expected behaviour, traumatised or not.

It was a considered and calculated move which points strongly towards furthering her agenda. That makes her a part of the problem and she should be held accountable for her amoral behaviour.

Agree.

Very well said, Black Orchid.

Initially, before she was persuaded to think otherwise - and as someone who identifies as a Turkish Muslim based in Germany - she felt her primary loyalties should rest with Germany's Muslim community even though this would be at the expense of throwing white, Christian Germans under the bus as suspects in her rape case.

Personally, I would have her deported back to Turkey as someone who badly flunked her citizenship test.

Her example is one of the more unsavory outcomes of host governments promoting multiculturalism and pandering to immigrant minorities.

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Reply #409 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:13pm

mothra wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:05pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:57pm:

She amended her statement and went back 12 hours later to tell the truth at a friend's instigation. The friend was worried that other women would also be abused, and rightly so.

She didn't all of a sudden grow a conscience. More than likely the friend was intending to tell the police the truth himself/herself in order to bring these animals to justice.

Pure speculation.

Agreed. What was in her head in the day following the attack nobody will know. I excuse her but think a ton of scrutinised needs to be directed at the apologists who refuse to recognise there is a problem with sexual assaults and people from Nth Africans and middle East

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Black Orchid Gold Member Offline Posts: 5813 Gender:	Re: German politician RAPED Reply #410 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:16pm Quote: After the assault she went straight to the police How does that equate to the next day?
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Reply #411 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:20pm

mothra wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

Well i strongly disagree. I think it is perfectly understandable that she wasn't thinking clearly, as is verified by the fact she amended her statement 12hrs later.

If she wa"furthering her agenda", would she do that? Really?

Stop hyperventilating and dreaming up hysterical scenarios to suit your agenda here.

An event like that would have sharpened her mind rather than have dulled it.

She knew perfectly well where her primary loyalties lay - and it was with the brotherhood.

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Reply #412 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:24pm

Black Orchid wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:05pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:57pm:

She amended her statement and went back 12 hours later to tell the truth at a friend's instigation. The friend was worried that other women would also be abused, and rightly so.

She didn't all of a sudden grow a conscience. More than likely the friend was intending to tell the police the truth himself/herself in order to bring these animals to justice.

Pure speculation.

As are your comments to the contrary.

Not quite. Would you like to try again?

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Reply #413 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:26pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:20pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

Well i strongly disagree. I think it is perfectly understandable that she wasn't thinking clearly, as is verified by the fact she amended her statement 12hrs later.

If she wa"furthering her agenda", would she do that? Really?

Stop hyperventilating and dreaming up hysterical scenarios to suit your agenda here.

An event like that would have sharpened her mind rather than have dulled it.

She knew perfectly well where her primary loyalties lay - and it was with the brotherhood.

You've been far more hysterical and short of breath in this topic than i, Herbie.

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Reply #414 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:35pm

Black Orchid wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

Intentionally and hurriedly setting out to report the crime and to lay the blame squarely at the feet of innocent Germans in order to deflect the vicious actions of the true perpetrators does not, in my opinion, exhibit one iota of expected behaviour, traumatised or not.

It was a considered and calculated move which points strongly towards furthering her agenda. That makes her a part of the problem and she should be held accountable for her amoral behaviour.

So true.

Her only reason for going to the police in the first place was to falsely accuse white Christian Germans as having been responsible for her rapes, and in this way she hoped the media would take up her story as proof that Germany's women weren't just under siege from Muslims only.

What a treacherous bitch she has been to the country that has played host to she and her whole Muslim tribe of relatives from Turkey.

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Reply #415 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:39pm

Black Orchid wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:10pm:

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She said a friend talked her into going back to the police with the real story

Damned right.

Bearing false witness is a crime that provides for jail time and possible deportation back to Turkey.

Her second visit to the police had nothing to do with moral conscience (if that isn't a tautism). Cool

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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	Re: German politician RAPED Reply #416 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:43pm mothra wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:26pm: You've been far more hysterical and short of breath in this topic than i, Herbie. Nonsense, I gave up smoking 20 years ago. I don't hyperventilate under any circumstances. It's not dignified.
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Reply #417 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:06pm

mothra wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

Mistress Nicole wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

From a female point of view I don't believe the “irrational behaviour due to trauma” defence. Of course, anyone would be extremely traumatised after a gang rape but a normal reaction to said trauma would be to:-

1. Seek revenge on the perpetrators and bring them to justice; or
2. Withdraw and not report it at all.

Intentionally and hurriedly setting out to report the crime and to lay the blame squarely at the feet of innocent Germans in order to deflect the vicious actions of the true perpetrators does not, in my opinion, exhibit one iota of expected behaviour, traumatised or not.

It was a considered and calculated move which points strongly towards furthering her agenda. That makes her a part of the problem and she should be held accountable for her amoral behaviour.

Agree.

Well i strongly disagree. I think it is perfectly understandable that she wasn't thinking clearly, as is verified by the fact she amended her statement 12hrs later.

If she wa"furthering her agenda", would she do that? Really?

Well said - exactly my point too.

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Reply #418 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:20pm

Black Orchid wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

From a female point of view I don't believe the “irrational behaviour due to trauma” defence. Of course, anyone would be extremely traumatised after a gang rape but a normal reaction to said trauma would be to:-

1. Seek revenge on the perpetrators and bring them to justice; or
2. Withdraw and not report it at all.

Intentionally and hurriedly setting out to report the crime and to lay the blame squarely at the feet of innocent Germans in order to deflect the vicious actions of the true perpetrators does not, in my opinion, exhibit one iota of expected behaviour, traumatised or not.

Regarding number 2 - she was clearly going to do just that, but was coaxed into reporting it by someone else. She then lashed out at the police after they asked her if it was refugees. Of course it really was refugees, and thats kind of ironic, but its pretty obvious to me her decision to lie at that point was a spontaneous, knee jerk reaction to the offense she took from the police assuming it was refugees. And the theory that it was a spontaneous and irrational reaction caused largely by the traumatised state she was in, is supported by the fact that 12 hours later she came to her senses and retracted it.

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she should be held accountable for her amoral behaviour.

In case you haven't noticed one person offered one proposal - to lock her up with rapists so she can be repeatedly raped again. Another posted opined that the "b1tch got what she deserved". In light of this "context", do you think its prudent to be a bit more circumspect about such statements?

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Reply #419 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:09pm

mothra wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:24pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:05pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:57pm:

She amended her statement and went back 12 hours later to tell the truth at a friend's instigation. The friend was worried that other women would also be abused, and rightly so.

She didn't all of a sudden grow a conscience. More than likely the friend was intending to tell the police the truth himself/herself in order to bring these animals to justice.

Pure speculation.

As are your comments to the contrary.

Not quite. Would you like to try again?

Why do you say that? Your "evidence" to the contrary consists solely of you stating your opinion.

And that's fine -- this is, after all, an opinion forum -- but let's not pretend that your opinion carries any more weight or significance than Black Orchid's.

Oh wait, you think you offered some kind of proof. Your exact words were these:

mothra wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

Well i strongly disagree. I think it is perfectly understandable that she wasn't thinking clearly, as is verified by the fact she amended her statement 12hrs later.

If she wa"furthering her agenda", would she do that? Really?

She might.

There are any number of ways we could read her decision to amend her statement 12 hours later. Yours is one possibility, but another possibility is that she 'fessed up because she feared that the truth was about to come out anyway, and that it would damage her credibility, given her position as a prominent left-wing youth movement activist.

Of course it's basically speculation, but how is your speculation (and your reasoning behind it) any more valid than Black Orchid's?

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