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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: German politician RAPED Reply #420 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:13pm 29 pages of utter bullshit driven speculation. Well done!
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Reply #421 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:18pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:35pm:

Her only reason for going to the police in the first place was to falsely accuse white Christian Germans as having been responsible for her rapes, and in this way she hoped the media would take up her story as proof that Germany's women weren't just under siege from Muslims only.

Your theory may be correct. Here's another report on what she wrote in her Facebook post following the attack:
https://www.rt.com/news/349784-german-migrants-assault-lie/

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Goren also made her case public on social media shortly after the incident. However, she put the blame on “racist and sexist” German society rather than directly on her attackers. In one of her Facebook posts, she even accused other victims of sexual assaults involving migrants of framing their stories so as to “provoke racist hatred” and thus forcing her to lie to police.

In another post on Facebook, she virtually apologized to “male refugees” for the “racism” and “sexism” of German society. “You are not a problem. You are not a problem at all,” she said, addressing refugees and migrants.

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Reply #422 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:18pm

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:09pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:24pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:07pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:05pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:57pm:

She amended her statement and went back 12 hours later to tell the truth at a friend's instigation. The friend was worried that other women would also be abused, and rightly so.

She didn't all of a sudden grow a conscience. More than likely the friend was intending to tell the police the truth himself/herself in order to bring these animals to justice.

Pure speculation.

As are your comments to the contrary.

Not quite. Would you like to try again?

Why do you say that? Your "evidence" to the contrary consists solely of you stating your opinion.

And that's fine -- this is, after all, an opinion forum -- but let's not pretend that your opinion carries any more weight or significance than Black Orchid's.

Oh wait, you think you offered some kind of proof. Your exact words were these:

mothra wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

Well i strongly disagree. I think it is perfectly understandable that she wasn't thinking clearly, as is verified by the fact she amended her statement 12hrs later.

If she wa"furthering her agenda", would she do that? Really?

She might.

There are any number of ways we could read her decision to amend her statement 12 hours later. Yours is one possibility, but another possibility is that she 'fessed up because she feared that the truth was about to come out anyway, and that it would damage her credibility, given her position as a prominent left-wing youth movement activist.

Of course it's basically speculation, but how is your speculation (and your reasoning behind it) any more valid than Black Orchid's?

Simply put, because it stands to reason that she would not be thinking clearly. She'd just been gang raped after all.

She amended her story 12hrs later, when she was thinking more clearly.

It doesn't take a genius.

But noooo ... you all have tolook for sinister plots that see her "deserve it" and culpable for more punishment.

I'm telling you, you're crazy.

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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #423 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:28pm

mothra wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:18pm:

Simply put, because it stands to reason that she would not be thinking clearly. She'd just been gang raped after all.

She amended her story 12hrs later, when she was thinking more clearly.

It doesn't take a genius.

But noooo ... you all have tolook for sinister plots that see her "deserve it" and culpable for more punishment.

I'm telling you, you're crazy.

Ah OK, Mothra, I get it: Your speculation is superior to everybody else's speculation because, well, you just happen to be the smartest person in the room. You're the Stephen Hawking of Oz Politic.

Here's what passes for proof in your world:

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Simply put, because it stands to reason that she would not be thinking clearly.

"Because it stands to reason."

Dang, that sure settles it, folks. Mothra thinks so because ... she thinks so.

You couldn't possibly ask for more conclusive evidence that that!

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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20734 Gordon Gender:	Re: German politician RAPED Reply #424 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:32pm Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:13pm: 29 pages of utter bullshit driven speculation. Well done! Hasanyone popped up to say kill them, cestate them yet?
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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #425 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:33pm

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Simply put, because it stands to reason that she would not be thinking clearly. She'd just been gang raped after all.

She amended her story 12hrs later, when she was thinking more clearly.

It doesn't take a genius.

No, it does not. That's probably why the Yanky Penguin is struggling to take into account all of what you said.....not just the cheery pickings.

"Simply put, because it stands to reason that she would not be thinking clearly."

You did say just a tad more than that, but he did not refer to it.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35565 Gender:	Re: German politician RAPED Reply #426 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:34pm Ever been pack raped 4thEstate?
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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16624 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: German politician RAPED Reply #427 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:38pm mothra wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:34pm: Ever been pack raped 4thEstate? If one was, would their first instinct to be to protect her rapists?
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35565 Gender:	Re: German politician RAPED Reply #428 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:41pm Setanta wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:38pm: mothra wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:34pm: Ever been pack raped 4thEstate? If one was, would their first instinct to be to protect her rapists? Her instincts probably wouldn't be kicking in that hard.
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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #429 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:45pm

mothra wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:41pm:

Setanta wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:38pm:

mothra wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:34pm:

Ever been pack raped 4thEstate?

If one was, would their first instinct to be to protect her rapists?

Her instincts probably wouldn't be kicking in that hard.

Then only she wasn't thinking clearly, that's it. No instinct came into it? No thought? All the evidence is there to see, she was pro mid-east and north African immigration, she knew they bad name as they rightly have and she chose to blame Germans because she chose not to blame those responsible.

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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #430 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:48pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 5:37pm:

Actually the speculation is your domain estate, not mine. And I don't have to "prove" you are wrong when its you coming up with the accusations, not me.

No, you don't have to prove me wrong. But you do have to prove yourself right.

I offered my own theory on her behavior and her motivation behind it, based on the available evidence that backs me up.

Do you seriously think you deserve a free pass when you offer nothing more than your own theory about her behavior?

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:20pm:

Its pretty obvious to me her decision to lie at that point was a spontaneous, knee jerk reaction to the offense she took from the police assuming it was refugees. And the theory that it was a spontaneous and irrational reaction caused largely by the traumatised state she was in, is supported by the fact that 12 hours later she came to her senses and retracted it.

That's all very nice as theories go, but don't get all full of yourself when it comes to disparaging my posts when this is all you've got in the way of supporting evidence. It wouldn't exactly make a judge slap his forehead and rule in your favor.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 5:37pm:

We can go round and round forever, but it won't alter the fact that you are coming up with a baseless accusation (ie that she considers rape less important than racism) which you can't substantiate.

B.S. -- her own behavior substantiates the fact that when given the chance to report the rapists, she blamed Germans instead, fearing that an honest account would encourage racism.

Again, whether or not she still feels that way is open to speculation, but don't try to pretend that there's no evidence that she once was more concerned about racists than rapists. I just gave it to you, and it's more than you've presented on behalf of your own theory.

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 5:37pm:

Have a good day.

Likewise.

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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #431 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:51pm

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:48pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:20pm:

Its pretty obvious to me her decision to lie at that point was a spontaneous, knee jerk reaction to the offense she took from the police assuming it was refugees. And the theory that it was a spontaneous and irrational reaction caused largely by the traumatised state she was in, is supported by the fact that 12 hours later she came to her senses and retracted it.

She was obviously more offended at the question than being raped.

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Reply #432 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:20pm:

Black Orchid wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:28pm:

From a female point of view I don't believe the “irrational behaviour due to trauma” defence. Of course, anyone would be extremely traumatised after a gang rape but a normal reaction to said trauma would be to:-

1. Seek revenge on the perpetrators and bring them to justice; or
2. Withdraw and not report it at all.

Intentionally and hurriedly setting out to report the crime and to lay the blame squarely at the feet of innocent Germans in order to deflect the vicious actions of the true perpetrators does not, in my opinion, exhibit one iota of expected behaviour, traumatised or not.

Regarding number 2 - she was clearly going to do just that, but was coaxed into reporting it by someone else. She then lashed out at the police after they asked her if it was refugees. Of course it really was refugees, and thats kind of ironic, but its pretty obvious to me her decision to lie at that point was a spontaneous, knee jerk reaction to the offense she took from the police assuming it was refugees. And the theory that it was a spontaneous and irrational reaction caused largely by the traumatised state she was in, is supported by the fact that 12 hours later she came to her senses and retracted it.

Regarding number 2 - I have no idea how you can come to that conclusion when the article clearly stated:-

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After the assault she went straight to the police

Notice the words “went straight to”?

12 hours later she went back to amend her statement because:-

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She said a friend talked her into going back to the police with the real story

So, yes, she was coaxed. 12 hours later she was coaxed (more likely coerced) into telling the truth after already having given a false statement.

Did you even read the article?

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38845 Gender:	Re: German politician RAPED Reply #433 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:52pm Quote: But you do have to prove yourself right. OzPol becomes the ultimate Court of World Justice, ey? We can do without Courts and just hang them all on everyone's speculation upon speculation. Gandalf can prove nothing more than you can Penguin.
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Black Orchid Gold Member Offline Posts: 5813 Gender:	Re: German politician RAPED Reply #434 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:53pm Setanta wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:38pm: mothra wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:34pm: Ever been pack raped 4thEstate? If one was, would their first instinct to be to protect her rapists? Absolutely not.
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