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The4thEstate Senior Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 322 Flyover Country, U.S.A. Gender:	Re: German politician RAPED Reply #480 - Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:01am Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 12:59am: There is more in this story than rape. Got that right. The fact that she's Turkish and probably Muslim could play a big part in her actions.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35578 Gender:	Re: German politician RAPED Reply #481 - Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:02am The4thEstate wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:01am: Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 12:59am: There is more in this story than rape. Got that right. The fact that she's Turkish and probably Muslim could play a big part in her actions. sigh She reported the true events. Warts and all.
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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #482 - Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:07am

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:02am:

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:01am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 12:59am:

There is more in this story than rape.

Got that right. The fact that she's Turkish and probably Muslim could play a big part in her actions.

*sigh*

She reported the true events. Warts and all.

Only after she was advised, told, instructed, to after her false and misleading information to the police about who the perps were and she didn't want to do that or it would not have needed a friend to twist her arm.

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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #483 - Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:08am

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:02am:

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:01am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 12:59am:

There is more in this story than rape.

Got that right. The fact that she's Turkish and probably Muslim could play a big part in her actions.

*sigh*

She reported the true events. Warts and all.

*sigh*

Not at first. In her own words, she lied to protect refugees from "racism."

And today?
https://www.rt.com/news/349784-german-migrants-assault-lie/
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Speaking about how this incident changed her worldview, Goren stresses she still puts the blame for such incidents more on “sexist society” than on individuals.

Ah, yes -- it's time for the cops to start arresting that "sexist society."

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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #484 - Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:10am

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:07am:

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:02am:

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:01am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 12:59am:

There is more in this story than rape.

Got that right. The fact that she's Turkish and probably Muslim could play a big part in her actions.

*sigh*

She reported the true events. Warts and all.

Only after she was advised, told, instructed, to after her false and misleading information to the police about who the perps were and she didn't want to do that or it would not have needed a friend to twist her arm.

Pure speculation.

The other alternative is that she wasn't thinking clearly.

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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #485 - Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:13am

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:10am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:07am:

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:02am:

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:01am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 12:59am:

There is more in this story than rape.

Got that right. The fact that she's Turkish and probably Muslim could play a big part in her actions.

*sigh*

She reported the true events. Warts and all.

Only after she was advised, told, instructed, to after her false and misleading information to the police about who the perps were and she didn't want to do that or it would not have needed a friend to twist her arm.

Pure speculation.

The other alternative is that she wasn't thinking clearly.

As is your sole defence of her actions as being in shock backed up with how you felt.

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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #486 - Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:14am

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:10am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:07am:

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:02am:

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:01am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 12:59am:

There is more in this story than rape.

Got that right. The fact that she's Turkish and probably Muslim could play a big part in her actions.

*sigh*

She reported the true events. Warts and all.

Only after she was advised, told, instructed, to after her false and misleading information to the police about who the perps were and she didn't want to do that or it would not have needed a friend to twist her arm.

Pure speculation.

The other alternative is that she wasn't thinking clearly.

One's as much speculation as the other. Why can't you at least acknowledge that much?

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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #487 - Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:17am

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:13am:

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:10am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:07am:

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:02am:

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:01am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 12:59am:

There is more in this story than rape.

Got that right. The fact that she's Turkish and probably Muslim could play a big part in her actions.

*sigh*

She reported the true events. Warts and all.

Only after she was advised, told, instructed, to after her false and misleading information to the police about who the perps were and she didn't want to do that or it would not have needed a friend to twist her arm.

Pure speculation.

The other alternative is that she wasn't thinking clearly.

As is your sole defence of her actions as being in shock backed up with how you felt.

No Setanta. Shock combined with how one would feel.

I'm quite frankly astonished that you would find that such a remote possibility.

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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #488 - Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:19am

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:14am:

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:10am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:07am:

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:02am:

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:01am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 12:59am:

There is more in this story than rape.

Got that right. The fact that she's Turkish and probably Muslim could play a big part in her actions.

*sigh*

She reported the true events. Warts and all.

Only after she was advised, told, instructed, to after her false and misleading information to the police about who the perps were and she didn't want to do that or it would not have needed a friend to twist her arm.

Pure speculation.

The other alternative is that she wasn't thinking clearly.

One's as much speculation as the other. Why can't you at least acknowledge that much?

No it's not speculation. Rape is traumatic. Pack rape even more so.

It;s a no-brainer that she was in shock.

It takes a considerable leap of logic to argue all of the points that you lot have.

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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #489 - Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:20am

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:17am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:13am:

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:10am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:07am:

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:02am:

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:01am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 12:59am:

There is more in this story than rape.

Got that right. The fact that she's Turkish and probably Muslim could play a big part in her actions.

*sigh*

She reported the true events. Warts and all.

Only after she was advised, told, instructed, to after her false and misleading information to the police about who the perps were and she didn't want to do that or it would not have needed a friend to twist her arm.

Pure speculation.

The other alternative is that she wasn't thinking clearly.

As is your sole defence of her actions as being in shock backed up with how you felt.

No Setanta. Shock combined with how one would feel.

I'm quite frankly astonished that you would find that such a remote possibility.

Seriously, why would you be more angry at cops for asking a valid question than being upset at it to the point it made the news?

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Reply #490 - Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:22am

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:17am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:13am:

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:10am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:07am:

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:02am:

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:01am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 12:59am:

There is more in this story than rape.

Got that right. The fact that she's Turkish and probably Muslim could play a big part in her actions.

*sigh*

She reported the true events. Warts and all.

Only after she was advised, told, instructed, to after her false and misleading information to the police about who the perps were and she didn't want to do that or it would not have needed a friend to twist her arm.

Pure speculation.

The other alternative is that she wasn't thinking clearly.

As is your sole defence of her actions as being in shock backed up with how you felt.

No Setanta. Shock combined with how one would feel.

I'm quite frankly astonished that you would find that such a remote possibility.

Guilting me won't work. I don't think it's remote. I think it was premeditated.

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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #491 - Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:22am

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:20am:

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:17am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:13am:

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:10am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:07am:

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:02am:

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:01am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 12:59am:

There is more in this story than rape.

Got that right. The fact that she's Turkish and probably Muslim could play a big part in her actions.

*sigh*

She reported the true events. Warts and all.

Only after she was advised, told, instructed, to after her false and misleading information to the police about who the perps were and she didn't want to do that or it would not have needed a friend to twist her arm.

Pure speculation.

The other alternative is that she wasn't thinking clearly.

As is your sole defence of her actions as being in shock backed up with how you felt.

No Setanta. Shock combined with how one would feel.

I'm quite frankly astonished that you would find that such a remote possibility.

Seriously, why would you be more angry at cops for asking a valid question than being upset at it to the point it made the news?

Because she wasn't thinking clearly.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16624 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: German politician RAPED Reply #492 - Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:25am mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:22am: Because she wasn't thinking clearly. I'll get back to you on that but it shows to me a clear pattern of thought after being "offended" by the cop.
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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #493 - Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:28am

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:22am:

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:17am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:13am:

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:10am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:07am:

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:02am:

The4thEstate wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:01am:

Setanta wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 12:59am:

There is more in this story than rape.

Got that right. The fact that she's Turkish and probably Muslim could play a big part in her actions.

*sigh*

She reported the true events. Warts and all.

Only after she was advised, told, instructed, to after her false and misleading information to the police about who the perps were and she didn't want to do that or it would not have needed a friend to twist her arm.

Pure speculation.

The other alternative is that she wasn't thinking clearly.

As is your sole defence of her actions as being in shock backed up with how you felt.

No Setanta. Shock combined with how one would feel.

I'm quite frankly astonished that you would find that such a remote possibility.

Guilting me won't work. I don't think it's remote. I think it was premeditated.

Guilting you? Hardly. Is that how you feel about my statements and questions to you? Telling.

Premeditated you say? That's why she made a correct statement 12hrs later? Really?

But your telling me she only did that because her arm was twisted. Seriously? What kind of friend twists the arm of a pack-rape victim?

More likely she was supported in making the right decision, when she was thinking more clearly.

Occam's razor, innit?

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Re: German politician RAPED
Reply #494 - Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:32am

mothra wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:19am:

No it's not speculation. Rape is traumatic. Pack rape even more so.

It;s a no-brainer that she was in shock.

It takes a considerable leap of logic to argue all of the points that you lot have.

Actually, it doesn't take any leap of logic whatsoever to argue this point, which I've already made once:

From the American Academy of Experts in Traumatic Stress: "Women will react differently after sexual assault or rape."
http://www.aaets.org/article117.htm

Or this point, seeing as how it's confirmed by her own words:
Quote:

A German left wing youth movement activist admitted that she lied to police about a sexual assault and concealed the ethnicity of her attackers out of fear of provoking “more hatred” against refugees.

She thought about “refugee shelters burnt in the previous months” and wanted to prevent “her story from being exploited by racists,” Selin Goren, a national spokeswoman of the Linksjugend Solid movement, an offshoot of the German Left Party, told Der Spiegel. She also admitted that she was infuriated when a police officer asked her whether her attackers had been refugees.

https://www.rt.com/news/349784-german-migrants-assault-lie/

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