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Reply #60 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:39pm

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 6:22pm:

Gandalf, if two married men in an Islamic state get caught having sex with each other, what would the Mufti's opinion be on the most appropriate punishment?

You'll have to ask him that FD.

Sorry, but you're doing a particularly bad job at defending your porky. Just sayin.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islamic victimhood industry steps it up Reply #61 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:43pm Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 6:08pm: Can you cite the verse from this link? quran.com 42:38: Quote: And those who have responded to their lord and established prayer and whose affair is [determined by] consultation among themselves, and from what We have provided them, they spend.
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Reply #62 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:18pm

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You'll have to ask him that FD.

My interpretation of what I have seen him say is he would support killing them.

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And those who have responded to their lord and established prayer and whose affair is [determined by] consultation among themselves, and from what We have provided them, they spend.

Looks like a long bow to me Gandalf.

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islamic victimhood industry steps it up Reply #63 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:28pm freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:18pm: My interpretation of what I have seen him say is he would support killing them I guess similar to your "interpretation" that I want to kill gays doing it mardi gras style. Carry on then.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49375 At my desk.	Re: Islamic victimhood industry steps it up Reply #64 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:31pm Do you disagree with my interpretation of the Mufti's position?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islamic victimhood industry steps it up Reply #65 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:33pm Do I agree that he wants to kill gays when there's no indication of him saying that? No I don't.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49375 At my desk.	Re: Islamic victimhood industry steps it up Reply #66 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:35pm But you are not willing to offer an alternative interpretation? Surely your reform work would give you a feel for the establishment's view on this?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Islamic victimhood industry steps it up Reply #67 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:37pm alternative interpretation to what? Him not saying he wants to kill gays? That should be an interesting exercise.
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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49375 At my desk.	Re: Islamic victimhood industry steps it up Reply #68 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:40pm And you have no awareness at all of what the establishment view on this is? The Mufti seemed to think it was pretty clear. Unchangeable even.
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Reply #69 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:51pm

The establishment view is that homosexuality is a sin (oops there I go again - better note that down FD - vitally important to keep track).

As far as "consensus" view on what the punishment is, well there is no consensus, and it is absurd to assume that the Grand Mufti's statement is a ringing endorsement of Sheik Shady's interpretation of the temporal punishment under Islamic law (as opposed to simply expressing his agreement that it is sinful).

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49375 At my desk.	Re: Islamic victimhood industry steps it up Reply #70 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:05pm Number 4. Why does it seem so unusual for Muslims to use that word Gandalf? Are you suggesting the Grand Mufti would deliberately make his views on gays look more barbaric than they really are, just two weeks after the Orlando shootings?
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Reply #71 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:06pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:51pm:

The establishment view is that homosexuality is a sin (oops there I go again - better note that down FD - vitally important to keep track).

If it's just a sin why do 10 countries with Islam as the state religion have the death penalty for homosexuals?

From what I understand Zina (unlawful sex) must involve a cock so is this a punishment for men?

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #72 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:14pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:51pm:

The establishment view is that homosexuality is a sin (oops there I go again - better note that down FD - vitally important to keep track).

As far as "consensus" view on what the punishment is, well there is no consensus, and it is absurd to assume that the Grand Mufti's statement is a ringing endorsement of Sheik Shady's interpretation of the temporal punishment under Islamic law (as opposed to simply expressing his agreement that it is sinful).

You should apply for a spot on the next 'Dancing with the Stars' competition. Your footwork is up there with Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly.

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Reply #73 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:31pm

freediver wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:05pm:

Number 4. Why does it seem so unusual for Muslims to use that word Gandalf?

No idea what you are talking about.

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Are you suggesting the Grand Mufti would deliberately make his views on gays look more barbaric than they really are, just two weeks after the Orlando shootings?

Ah I think I'm beginning to understand - the proof that he wants to kill gays is hidden in what he didn't say. That old chestnut.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #74 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:33pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:06pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:51pm:

The establishment view is that homosexuality is a sin (oops there I go again - better note that down FD - vitally important to keep track).

If it's just a sin why do 10 countries with Islam as the state religion have the death penalty for homosexuals?

Great question Baron - but what I want to know is if its mandated death sentence, why do 40 something countries with Islam as the state religion *NOT* have the death penalty - and only 10 do?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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