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Reply #105 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:04pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:31pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:57pm:

I mean, I can't believe these idiots complain about "Mediscare" which is basically fact, while they completely ignore

- Carbon tax will destroy the country

- Refugees are stealing our jobs and are dole bludgers

- FTTP NBN will cost 97 billion dollars

- Labors war on home investors

- Labors war on business

- Wind turbines cause "WTS"

- Labor lied about a "Carbon Tax" (only if you quote mine Gillard to cut off the rest of the sentence and ignore the Carbon Tax isn't even a tax but was the ETS with a fixed price period, ASKED FOR BY BUSINESS)

Or how about here in Canberra

- "Vote Liberals and put Labor last if you want to see Light Rail Scrapped" when in reality, the Liberal party support light rail and Tony Abbott funded it and held it up as a pet project.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-10/abbott-uses-act-light-rail-project-example-for-transport-funding/6610968

Oh isn't it just bloody awful living in Australia.

Here's a tip. Why don't you move to a communist country post haste? Given your posts on OzPol to date, you'll blend in quite well within a communist regime.

Why don't you move to the US?

Or Lolbertarian ancap wasteland Honduras where everything is privatized and private police murder poor people on the streets to make way for rich american republicans and company towns still exist?

Also why do I care about this stuff? Because a strong economy and strong social services means a higher standard of living for most people. It is completely unfair that there are families out there working several jobs, 70 hour weeks and barely can afford to feed their kids, while people born into wealth use nepotism and fall straight into positions of power of Business, think tanks or Politics and get to dictate to the rest of us on what is "fair".

The Liberal party does not represent the Australian public, the Nationals outright disdain farmers. Both are the arm of FIRE and mining and will do anything to sabotage any threat to those interests. This is not going to make a strong Australia that can give a good life to everybody.
The Liberal years are always years of stagnation in the economy and country. We have seen little diversification in Australias economy under the Libs and they actively poo on infrastructure that could make Australia attractive to entrepreneurs.

I do not believe, and the economic modelling backs my views, that the Liberals are good for Australia on a economic level. They just aren't, the party of vested landed interests, that is all.

Labor are crap as well, but at least Labor have some visionary policies and don't hold the public in outright disdain like the Libs.

Greens are far better than both on a economic level (and Ken Henry's modelling backs this up), but at the same time, I can't stand their gun grabber policies. Bleh.

Despite all that, Labor and The Greens trounce the Liberals, it's not even a contest, really if Australian elections were based on policy, it would easily be Labor vs Greens.

Unlike you I love living in Australia.

Unlike you, I'm not sitting around in numerous topics on a Sunday night, complaining about how bad things are here in Australia.

Unlike you, I'm not a Communist.

Unlike you, I voted Liberal and the Liberals won.

Unlike you, I'm not interested in your anachronistic communist-driven drivel.

You don't even understand how hypocritical you are being aren't you?

Self awareness, learn it.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74966 Gender:	Re: SHORTEN ADMITS DEFEAT Reply #106 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:23pm Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:04pm: You don't even understand how hypocritical you are being aren't you? she never does
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Re: SHORTEN ADMITS DEFEAT
Reply #107 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 10:04pm

Dnarever wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:04pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

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Ahhh so you do want to talk user pay system

In that case, we'll need to go BACK TO KEATING.....the FATHER OF ECONOMIC RATIONALISM, as he is known and referred to in political economy academia.

Keating was the champion of the user pay system. During his yrs as Treasurer and as PM, the user pay system was his slogan.

He made sure it affected EVERYTHING from education to health.

Link?

Not even a remote chance.

I know.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38822 Gender:	Re: SHORTEN ADMITS DEFEAT Reply #108 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 10:06pm Quote: You don't even understand how hypocritical you are being aren't you? Self awareness, learn it. Kiron.....when Lisa Jones comes in like that, suggesting she knows something no-one else does, never let her off any hook. Ever. Her posts are just rubbish.
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Reply #109 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 10:13pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:24pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:51pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:49pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:44pm:

Last I heard it lost around $16 billion/yr.

Yeah....I'm sure anyone and everyone would want to invest in an organization like that lol.

Stupid blooming fools!

... you do realize that medicare is a public service right? Why in bugger should it be making a profit? That makes no sense.

There is no business model.

It was a dirty Labor lie.

Of course it was.

And the victims of this dirty Labor lie?

Simple trusting Australians.

That makes it disgusting.

But Lisa - be fair about this -
The Libbos are just as bad:

As far as I'm concerned they're all crooks who can't be trusted.

Sorry Bobby, the Liberals are not as bad as Labor.

And that's why the Liberals got all the votes in this household last week.

Ah - so you speak for your voting household - does that extrapolate to the majority of Australians who voted last week, as in:-

National two party count Party / Coalition Votes Percentage % Swing %
Liberal/National Coalition 5,354,596 50.13 -3.36
Australian Labor Party 5,326,493 49.87 +3.36

50.13/49.87 ... sounds mighty close to me.. your hubby should have voted Labor to keep with the trend... that swing is ominous though.... 3.36% of voters who previously voted LNP thought the LNP were garbage and said so.

The Liberals alone only hold 45 seats - a distinct minority - and they lost 13 to get there....

I think the facts are against you, Lisa.... would you prefer to discuss the LNP Coalition or its Super-Coalition including the Rest who agreed to support supply as long as the policy supply was meant to support wasn't too on the nose..... at which point the Elected Senate will kybosh it anyway...

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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106276 Melbourne Gender:	Re: SHORTEN ADMITS DEFEAT Reply #110 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 10:37pm We will all vote for the first honest politician. We pray that he or she will appear to us one day. For to lie is to murder some part of the world.
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106276 Melbourne Gender:	Re: SHORTEN ADMITS DEFEAT Reply #111 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 10:41pm Abbott & Shorty have murdered some part of the world:
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Re: SHORTEN ADMITS DEFEAT
Reply #112 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 10:44pm

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 9:04pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:49pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:31pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:57pm:

I mean, I can't believe these idiots complain about "Mediscare" which is basically fact, while they completely ignore

- Carbon tax will destroy the country

- Refugees are stealing our jobs and are dole bludgers

- FTTP NBN will cost 97 billion dollars

- Labors war on home investors

- Labors war on business

- Wind turbines cause "WTS"

- Labor lied about a "Carbon Tax" (only if you quote mine Gillard to cut off the rest of the sentence and ignore the Carbon Tax isn't even a tax but was the ETS with a fixed price period, ASKED FOR BY BUSINESS)

Or how about here in Canberra

- "Vote Liberals and put Labor last if you want to see Light Rail Scrapped" when in reality, the Liberal party support light rail and Tony Abbott funded it and held it up as a pet project.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-10/abbott-uses-act-light-rail-project-example-for-transport-funding/6610968

Oh isn't it just bloody awful living in Australia.

Here's a tip. Why don't you move to a communist country post haste? Given your posts on OzPol to date, you'll blend in quite well within a communist regime.

Why don't you move to the US?

Or Lolbertarian ancap wasteland Honduras where everything is privatized and private police murder poor people on the streets to make way for rich american republicans and company towns still exist?

Also why do I care about this stuff? Because a strong economy and strong social services means a higher standard of living for most people. It is completely unfair that there are families out there working several jobs, 70 hour weeks and barely can afford to feed their kids, while people born into wealth use nepotism and fall straight into positions of power of Business, think tanks or Politics and get to dictate to the rest of us on what is "fair".

The Liberal party does not represent the Australian public, the Nationals outright disdain farmers. Both are the arm of FIRE and mining and will do anything to sabotage any threat to those interests. This is not going to make a strong Australia that can give a good life to everybody.
The Liberal years are always years of stagnation in the economy and country. We have seen little diversification in Australias economy under the Libs and they actively poo on infrastructure that could make Australia attractive to entrepreneurs.

I do not believe, and the economic modelling backs my views, that the Liberals are good for Australia on a economic level. They just aren't, the party of vested landed interests, that is all.

Labor are crap as well, but at least Labor have some visionary policies and don't hold the public in outright disdain like the Libs.

Greens are far better than both on a economic level (and Ken Henry's modelling backs this up), but at the same time, I can't stand their gun grabber policies. Bleh.

Despite all that, Labor and The Greens trounce the Liberals, it's not even a contest, really if Australian elections were based on policy, it would easily be Labor vs Greens.

Unlike you I love living in Australia.

Unlike you, I'm not sitting around in numerous topics on a Sunday night, complaining about how bad things are here in Australia.

Unlike you, I'm not a Communist.

Unlike you, I voted Liberal and the Liberals won.

Unlike you, I'm not interested in your anachronistic communist-driven drivel.

You don't even understand how hypocritical you are being aren't you?

Self awareness, learn it.

What a freaking lame comeback!

Oh well, it was fun poking fun at your communist drivel for the past few pages.

By all means, do drop by again.

Just make sure though that when you do so, you remember correctly which side of politics is responsible for the garbage policies you post about.

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Re: SHORTEN ADMITS DEFEAT
Reply #113 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 10:46pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:48pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

I love how no one here has still explained how the Libs aren't actually out to privatize healthcare in Australia.

Crying over "Privatizing medicare" is just semantics, Healthcare under the Liberals is moving closer and closer to a user pays system. Medicare = Healthcare. Is it still false to say medicare has been privatized when the Libs plan of completely gutting medicare and forcing people onto PHI? How do you privatize medicare in any other way?

You sure you want to talk user-pay system?

Hmmmm?

Think very carefully before you answer that question.

Go ahead, I've provided numerous evidence to you showing how the Libs plan to move healthcare in Australia to user pay, which you have completely ignored.

Explain otherwise.

The Liberals goal for healthcare in Australia is user pay and shrinking medicare down so only the poorest of the poor can use it, the Liberals want every Australian on Private Health Insurance, this has been the case since the Howard introduced LHC in 2000 and the Liberals have slowly expanded on it since.

Ahhh so you do want to talk user pay system

In that case, we'll need to go BACK TO KEATING.....the FATHER OF ECONOMIC RATIONALISM, as he is known and referred to in political economy academia.

Keating was the champion of the user pay system. During his yrs as Treasurer and as PM, the user pay system was his slogan.

He made sure it affected EVERYTHING from education to health.

Keating.

Labor.

User pay.

Never forget that.

Again.

Up. Just for Kiron Grin

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Reply #114 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 10:53pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:11pm:

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Ahhh so you do want to talk user pay system

In that case, we'll need to go BACK TO KEATING.....the FATHER OF ECONOMIC RATIONALISM, as he is known and referred to in political economy academia.

Keating was the champion of the user pay system. During his yrs as Treasurer and as PM, the user pay system was his slogan.

He made sure it affected EVERYTHING from education to health.

Link?

"Up" just for Lisa Jones. " Grin

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Reply #115 - Jul 10^th, 2016 at 10:59pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:21pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:08pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 8:01pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:48pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:39pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

I love how no one here has still explained how the Libs aren't actually out to privatize healthcare in Australia.

Crying over "Privatizing medicare" is just semantics, Healthcare under the Liberals is moving closer and closer to a user pays system. Medicare = Healthcare. Is it still false to say medicare has been privatized when the Libs plan of completely gutting medicare and forcing people onto PHI? How do you privatize medicare in any other way?

You sure you want to talk user-pay system?

Hmmmm?

Think very carefully before you answer that question.

Go ahead, I've provided numerous evidence to you showing how the Libs plan to move healthcare in Australia to user pay, which you have completely ignored.

Explain otherwise.

The Liberals goal for healthcare in Australia is user pay and shrinking medicare down so only the poorest of the poor can use it, the Liberals want every Australian on Private Health Insurance, this has been the case since the Howard introduced LHC in 2000 and the Liberals have slowly expanded on it since.

Ahhh so you do want to talk user pay system

In that case, we'll need to go BACK TO KEATING.....the FATHER OF ECONOMIC RATIONALISM, as he is known and referred to in political economy academia.

Keating was the champion of the user pay system. During his yrs as Treasurer and as PM, the user pay system was his slogan.

He made sure it affected EVERYTHING from education to health.

Keating.

Labor.

User pay.

Never forget that.

Again.

Do you think I give a poo about a Neoliberal Blaritie like Keating? It currently is not Labor policy, it currently is Liberal policy.

Also outsourcing government services to private for profit companies IS actually defined as privatisation of public service. It increases red tape as government then has to regulate a private provider. It costs more as government then has to pay private provider both the cost of running the service, plus extra profit, plus enough bureaucrats to regulate and supervise the private provider.

The Libs, by giving the backend of of Medicare to Telstra ARE LITERALLY PRIVATIZING MEDICARE. IT'S LITERAL PRIVATIZATION OF MEDICARES BACKEND.

Excuse me?

You're the blooming fool who decided to travel back in Australian political history so as to blame the Liberals for something Labor was responsible for.

Unfortunately for you, your attempt to distort the truth of the matter has blown up in your face.

And now, you are pathetically attempting to divorce yourself from Keating....almost as though Keating was never a major player in Labor politics.

For Christ's sake pull your head in. You're all over the place my communist foe.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85067 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: SHORTEN ADMITS DEFEAT Reply #117 - Jul 11^th, 2016 at 12:43am juliar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:21pm: Why didn't Albo Sneezy challenge Shorty at last week's Caucus meeting ? Because Labor gained all the seats that the Liberals lost? That's a far greater win than forming a government of a couple of maybe's - who will vote with you as long as...The Price Is Right!
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Reply #118 - Jul 11^th, 2016 at 1:18am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 11^th, 2016 at 12:43am:

juliar wrote on Jul 10^th, 2016 at 11:21pm:

Why didn't Albo Sneezy challenge Shorty at last week's Caucus meeting ?

Because Labor gained all the seats that the Liberals lost? That's a far greater win than forming a government of a couple of maybe's - who will vote with you as long as...The Price Is Right!

Interesting times ahead.

The fact that DUTTON, as been PROMOTED, as a result of this election is ONE BIG BAD NEGATIVE.

If Turnbull really had any say in HIS ( Roll Eyes

) Cabinet, the people who were complicit in the campaign SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED.
I am saying... GET RID of DUTTON, if you want the public's confidence and TRUST.
Get rid of Morrison, a bulldozing waster of public confidence...
Get rid of PYNE.. a waste of space, altogether
Get rid of J BISHOP, a scheming lying mealy-mouthed pollie.. and nothing else.

NOPE.. THIS GOVT is doomed already. We now have the Nazi - like Dutton on our SECURITY COMMITTEE. Shocked

The man is a monster, along with Morrison they have done their very best to keep women and children in indefinite detention, at huge risk of abuse and torture, at enormous cost to not only those refugees so unfortunate as to have become a political pawn in the 'fear' campaign run by the LNP, but also to the soul of Australia, and it's economy. Tongue

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OUR CORE VALUES should NEVER ALLOW SUCH INJUSTICE to be visited on refugees.

BUT THE LNP won govt on that fear-based campaign,, and this time round, no-one said BOO.

The white elephant in the room. No Minister of Govt can claim ANY superiority, when they keep these people in these concentration camps. IT IS Shameful, and UN AUSTRALIAN.

COME ON OZ GOVT... act to do GOOD... NOT HARM.

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Reply #119 - Jul 11^th, 2016 at 2:01am

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When a government endorses, actively maintains, and claims some sort of victory by locking up refugee women and children, and enabling their torture and even, their death,?? that GOVT has NO CLAIM to any sort of validity or ethical MANDATE.

And so here we are.. my fellow Australians. IN OUR NAME THIS continues. Tongue

No society which thinks this is OK can survive, long term. One societal impact..?

We have a massive problem with DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.

WOMEN... and CHILDREN,, are killed EVERDAY here in AUSTRALIA.. the best country in the world. Sad

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WHEN OUR VERY GOVERNMENT PROMOTES, CONDONES and DEFENDS this inhumane treatment of innocents...

is it any wonder that our society reflects those values?. SICK VALUES.

I am disgusted that this govt is BLIND, to all practical purposes, to the harm they are doing, through this policy they love, because they won.., , not just to those poor homeless apparently worthless victims, but to our whole society.

Hey.. !!!!

the government does it, all day everyday. Women and children are worthless... and they deserve the treatment our Govt enables. THAT IS THE MESSAGE.

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