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Reply #90 - Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:11pm
 
Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:57pm:
I mean, I can't believe these idiots complain about "Mediscare" which is basically fact, while they completely ignore

- Carbon tax will destroy the country

- Refugees are stealing our jobs and are dole bludgers

- FTTP NBN will cost 97 billion dollars

- Labors war on home investors

- Labors war on business

- Wind turbines cause "WTS"

- Labor lied about a "Carbon Tax" (only if you quote mine Gillard to cut off the rest of the sentence and ignore the Carbon Tax isn't even a tax but was the ETS with a fixed price period, ASKED FOR BY BUSINESS)

Or how about here in Canberra

- "Vote Liberals and put Labor last if you want to see Light Rail Scrapped" when in reality, the Liberal party support light rail and Tony Abbott funded it and held it up as a pet project.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-10/abbott-uses-act-light-rail-project-example-for-transport-funding/6610968


Oh isn't it just bloody awful living in Australia.

Here's a tip. Why don't you move to a communist country post haste? Given your posts on OzPol to date, you'll blend in quite well within a communist regime.
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Reply #91 - Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:11pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:55pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:51pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:49pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:44pm:
Last I heard it lost around $16 billion/yr.

Yeah....I'm sure anyone and everyone would want to invest in an organization like that lol.

Stupid blooming fools!


... you do realize that medicare is a public service right? Why in bugger should it be making a profit? That makes no sense.



There is no business model.

It was a dirty Labor lie.


Of course it was.

And the victims of this dirty Labor lie?

Simple trusting Australians.

That makes it disgusting.




But Lisa - be fair about this -
The Libbos are just as bad:



As far as I'm concerned they're all crooks who can't be trusted.
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Reply #92 - Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:11pm
 
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Ahhh so you do want to talk user pay system

In that case, we'll need to go BACK TO KEATING.....the FATHER OF ECONOMIC RATIONALISM, as he is known and referred to in political economy academia.

Keating was the champion of the user pay system. During his yrs as Treasurer and as PM, the user pay system was his slogan.

He made sure it affected EVERYTHING from education to health.


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Reply #93 - Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:11pm
 
"Lost" $16bn?  How is it 'losing' money when it is funded out of Medicare levy and drawn from other taxation that was always raised to meet the required amounts?

So - let us imagine for a moment that the Malcontents sell of Medicare - does that mean that the tax strands from which that funding is drawn will be reduced to match this alleged loss of a loss?

Not in your lifetime or mine.....

Bonus question:-  Has a single taxation strand been REDUCED with the 'privatisation' of countless utilities that were allegedly costing the Budget cold hard cash with 'private industry' "more efficient", under the delusional concept that the government was now earning a profit from 'lease fees' and the alleged taxation generated by the 'business activity' of these 'privatised' utilities?

Not as long as your arseholes point to the ground...  all you take up the rear is increased costs of living, which puts that self-same government in the position of suffering endless real inflation due to the never-ending spiral of costs defeating incomes/incomes rising to try to meet/costs defeating incomes again, over and over....

Now - tell me again how Medicare is losing money?  It would lose NOT ONE CENT if the self-same governments actually generated the 'jobs and growth' they are always  laying claim to.... instead of their perpetual plundering of the public purse for selves and cronies.
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Reply #94 - Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:14pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:11pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:57pm:
I mean, I can't believe these idiots complain about "Mediscare" which is basically fact, while they completely ignore

- Carbon tax will destroy the country

- Refugees are stealing our jobs and are dole bludgers

- FTTP NBN will cost 97 billion dollars

- Labors war on home investors

- Labors war on business

- Wind turbines cause "WTS"

- Labor lied about a "Carbon Tax" (only if you quote mine Gillard to cut off the rest of the sentence and ignore the Carbon Tax isn't even a tax but was the ETS with a fixed price period, ASKED FOR BY BUSINESS)

Or how about here in Canberra

- "Vote Liberals and put Labor last if you want to see Light Rail Scrapped" when in reality, the Liberal party support light rail and Tony Abbott funded it and held it up as a pet project.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-10/abbott-uses-act-light-rail-project-example-for-transport-funding/6610968


Oh isn't it just bloody awful living in Australia.

Here's a tip. Why don't you move to a communist country post haste? Given your posts on OzPol to date, you'll blend in quite well within a communist regime.


You could always move to the the capitalist utopia, America.... and start at the bottom and show us how it's done... sell up here and move offshore to Capital Central..... if it's too hard living in an Australia in which the majority actually expect a fair return on their efforts and their labour... and treated with respect instead of like serfs for some self-appoint twit who imagines him or her self their superior....
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Reply #95 - Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:16pm
 
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Forgot to mention, my husband knew him from his uni days.

My husband was also involved with uni student union etc.


Did he also know Dave Nadel and Darce Cassidy?
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Reply #96 - Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:18pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:06pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:36pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:27pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:24pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:23pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 6:19pm:
A claim appearing to come from medicare with a false message.
The Liberals only wanted to streamline the computer services
using the skills of private companies - the only ones who  who can provide such a service.
There were no plans to wreck Medicare - it did not need to be saved -
only made better.

https://www.pedestrian.tv/images/article/2016/07/03/meditext1-619-386.png



It doesn't appear to be coming from Medicare, and the message isn't false.

No fraud.

Sorry, Booby.



It came up as the sender = Medicare on all our mobiles.

My God, why do you think we're still so angry about it here???

My husband in particular who ALWAYS VOTES LABOR and who voted Liberal for the 1st time in his life in the last Federal election in protest.



Don't worry Lisa,
there will be a trial & Shorty will at least have to answer some hard questions.


He is a distasteful union thug.

He needs to go. Post haste.

My husband reckons that he was like that even at Uni. He was not liked by many Laborites there.


Forgot to mention, my husband knew him from his uni days.

My husband was also involved with uni student union etc.


Oh, God - another quadrangle twerp preaching socialist nonsense to us all until he gets out where the big dollars roam, at which point he does a Fat Joe and becomes the ultimate using capitalist and exploiter of other people's money for personal profit .... and most likely a thief in the night using 'legitimate' ways to garner cash and extort the public purse to do so via wealthfare...

Dear God....
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Reply #97 - Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:21pm
 
Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:08pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:01pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:48pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:39pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:31pm:
I love how no one here has still explained how the Libs aren't actually out to privatize healthcare in Australia.

Crying over "Privatizing medicare" is just semantics, Healthcare under the Liberals is moving closer and closer to a user pays system. Medicare = Healthcare. Is it still false to say medicare has been privatized when the Libs plan of completely gutting medicare and forcing people onto PHI? How do you privatize medicare in any other way?


You sure you want to talk user-pay system?

Hmmmm?

Think very carefully before you answer that question.


Go ahead, I've provided numerous evidence to you showing how the Libs plan to move healthcare in Australia to user pay, which you have completely ignored.

Explain otherwise.

The Liberals goal for healthcare in Australia is user pay and shrinking medicare down so only the poorest of the poor can use it, the Liberals want every Australian on Private Health Insurance, this has been the case since the Howard introduced LHC in 2000 and the Liberals have slowly expanded on it since.


Ahhh so you do want to talk user pay system

In that case, we'll need to go BACK TO KEATING.....the FATHER OF ECONOMIC RATIONALISM, as he is known and referred to in political economy academia.

Keating was the champion of the user pay system. During his yrs as Treasurer and as PM, the user pay system was his slogan.

He made sure it affected EVERYTHING from education to health.

Keating.

Labor.

User pay.

Never forget that.

Again.


Do you think I give a poo about a Neoliberal Blaritie like Keating? It currently is not Labor policy, it currently is Liberal policy.

Also outsourcing government services to private for profit companies IS actually defined as privatisation of public service. It increases red tape as government then has to regulate a private provider. It costs more as government then has to pay private provider both the cost of running the service, plus extra profit, plus enough bureaucrats to regulate and supervise the private provider.

The Libs, by giving the backend of of Medicare to Telstra ARE LITERALLY PRIVATIZING MEDICARE. IT'S LITERAL PRIVATIZATION OF MEDICARES BACKEND.


Excuse me?

You're the blooming fool who decided to travel back in Australian political history so as to blame the Liberals for something Labor was responsible for.

Unfortunately for you, your attempt to distort the truth of the matter has blown up in your face.

And now, you are pathetically attempting to divorce yourself from Keating....almost as though Keating was never a major player in Labor politics.

For Christ's sake pull your head in. You're all over the place my communist foe.
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Reply #98 - Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:24pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:11pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:55pm:
Bobby. wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:51pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:49pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:44pm:
Last I heard it lost around $16 billion/yr.

Yeah....I'm sure anyone and everyone would want to invest in an organization like that lol.

Stupid blooming fools!


... you do realize that medicare is a public service right? Why in bugger should it be making a profit? That makes no sense.



There is no business model.

It was a dirty Labor lie.


Of course it was.

And the victims of this dirty Labor lie?

Simple trusting Australians.

That makes it disgusting.




But Lisa - be fair about this -
The Libbos are just as bad:



As far as I'm concerned they're all crooks who can't be trusted.


Sorry Bobby, the Liberals are not as bad as Labor.

And that's why the Liberals got all the votes in this household last week.
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Reply #99 - Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:27pm
 
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You're the blooming fool who decided to travel back in Australian political history so as to blame the Liberals for something Labor was responsible for.

Unfortunately for you, your attempt to distort the truth of the matter has blown up in your face.

And now, you are pathetically attempting to divorce yourself from Keating....almost as though Keating was never a major player in Labor politics.

For Christ's sake pull your head in. You're all over the place my communist foe.


What did he blame the Libs for? 

Link.

(You are posting your usual crap, Lisa Jones.)

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Reply #100 - Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:31pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:11pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:57pm:
I mean, I can't believe these idiots complain about "Mediscare" which is basically fact, while they completely ignore

- Carbon tax will destroy the country

- Refugees are stealing our jobs and are dole bludgers

- FTTP NBN will cost 97 billion dollars

- Labors war on home investors

- Labors war on business

- Wind turbines cause "WTS"

- Labor lied about a "Carbon Tax" (only if you quote mine Gillard to cut off the rest of the sentence and ignore the Carbon Tax isn't even a tax but was the ETS with a fixed price period, ASKED FOR BY BUSINESS)

Or how about here in Canberra

- "Vote Liberals and put Labor last if you want to see Light Rail Scrapped" when in reality, the Liberal party support light rail and Tony Abbott funded it and held it up as a pet project.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-10/abbott-uses-act-light-rail-project-example-for-transport-funding/6610968


Oh isn't it just bloody awful living in Australia.

Here's a tip. Why don't you move to a communist country post haste? Given your posts on OzPol to date, you'll blend in quite well within a communist regime.


Why don't you move to the US? Or Lolbertarian ancap wasteland Honduras where everything is privatized and private police murder poor people on the streets to make way for rich american republicans and company towns still exist?

Also why do I care about this stuff? Because a strong economy and strong social services means a higher standard of living for most people. It is completely unfair that there are families out there working several jobs, 70 hour weeks and barely can afford to feed their kids, while people born into wealth use nepotism and fall straight into positions of power of Business, think tanks or Politics and get to dictate to the rest of us on what is "fair".

The Liberal party does not represent the Australian public, the Nationals outright disdain farmers. Both are the arm of FIRE and mining and will do anything to sabotage any threat to those interests. This is not going to make a strong Australia that can give a good life to everybody.
The Liberal years are always years of stagnation in the economy and country. We have seen little diversification in Australias economy under the Libs and they actively poo on infrastructure that could make Australia attractive to entrepreneurs.

I do not believe, and the economic modelling backs my views, that the Liberals are good for Australia on a economic level. They just aren't, the party of vested landed interests, that is all.

Labor are crap as well, but at least Labor have some visionary policies and don't hold the public in outright disdain like the Libs.

Greens are far better than both on a economic level (and Ken Henry's modelling backs this up), but at the same time, I can't stand their gun grabber policies. Bleh.

Despite all that, Labor and The Greens trounce the Liberals, it's not even a contest, really if Australian elections were based on policy, it would easily be Labor vs Greens.
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Reply #101 - Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:34pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:16pm:
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Forgot to mention, my husband knew him from his uni days.

My husband was also involved with uni student union etc.


Did he also know Dave Nadel and Darce Cassidy?


'Up' for Lisa Jones.  Have you asked 'Hubby' about these blokes?   He must have known them as well.
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Reply #102 - Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:49pm
 
Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:31pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:11pm:
Kiron22 wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:57pm:
I mean, I can't believe these idiots complain about "Mediscare" which is basically fact, while they completely ignore

- Carbon tax will destroy the country

- Refugees are stealing our jobs and are dole bludgers

- FTTP NBN will cost 97 billion dollars

- Labors war on home investors

- Labors war on business

- Wind turbines cause "WTS"

- Labor lied about a "Carbon Tax" (only if you quote mine Gillard to cut off the rest of the sentence and ignore the Carbon Tax isn't even a tax but was the ETS with a fixed price period, ASKED FOR BY BUSINESS)

Or how about here in Canberra

- "Vote Liberals and put Labor last if you want to see Light Rail Scrapped" when in reality, the Liberal party support light rail and Tony Abbott funded it and held it up as a pet project.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-10/abbott-uses-act-light-rail-project-example-for-transport-funding/6610968


Oh isn't it just bloody awful living in Australia.

Here's a tip. Why don't you move to a communist country post haste? Given your posts on OzPol to date, you'll blend in quite well within a communist regime.


Why don't you move to the US?
Or Lolbertarian ancap wasteland Honduras where everything is privatized and private police murder poor people on the streets to make way for rich american republicans and company towns still exist?

Also why do I care about this stuff? Because a strong economy and strong social services means a higher standard of living for most people. It is completely unfair that there are families out there working several jobs, 70 hour weeks and barely can afford to feed their kids, while people born into wealth use nepotism and fall straight into positions of power of Business, think tanks or Politics and get to dictate to the rest of us on what is "fair".

The Liberal party does not represent the Australian public, the Nationals outright disdain farmers. Both are the arm of FIRE and mining and will do anything to sabotage any threat to those interests. This is not going to make a strong Australia that can give a good life to everybody.
The Liberal years are always years of stagnation in the economy and country. We have seen little diversification in Australias economy under the Libs and they actively poo on infrastructure that could make Australia attractive to entrepreneurs.

I do not believe, and the economic modelling backs my views, that the Liberals are good for Australia on a economic level. They just aren't, the party of vested landed interests, that is all.

Labor are crap as well, but at least Labor have some visionary policies and don't hold the public in outright disdain like the Libs.

Greens are far better than both on a economic level (and Ken Henry's modelling backs this up), but at the same time, I can't stand their gun grabber policies. Bleh.

Despite all that, Labor and The Greens trounce the Liberals, it's not even a contest, really if Australian elections were based on policy, it would easily be Labor vs Greens.


Unlike you I love living in Australia.

Unlike you, I'm not sitting around in numerous topics on a Sunday night, complaining about how bad things are here in Australia.

Unlike you, I'm not a Communist.

Unlike you, I voted Liberal and the Liberals won.

Unlike you, I'm not interested in your anachronistic communist-driven drivel.


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Reply #103 - Jul 10th, 2016 at 9:02pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 7:56pm:
Only a retard would believe that the medicare privatization board wasn't looking at ways to privatise medicare
Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



I know, I'm going to start a business called Johns Tyres so that I can sell computers  Cheesy Cheesy


No No No - Johns tyres sells used ducks.
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Reply #104 - Jul 10th, 2016 at 9:04pm
 
Aussie wrote on Jul 10th, 2016 at 8:11pm:
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Ahhh so you do want to talk user pay system

In that case, we'll need to go BACK TO KEATING.....the FATHER OF ECONOMIC RATIONALISM, as he is known and referred to in political economy academia.

Keating was the champion of the user pay system. During his yrs as Treasurer and as PM, the user pay system was his slogan.

He made sure it affected EVERYTHING from education to health.


Link?


Not even a remote chance.
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