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Great opinion piece on the greyhound ban
Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:08am
 
PART of the reason modern government has become so dysfunctional is because every decision is now argued to be illegitimate by those adversely affected.

Allegations of a lack of consultation or apprehended bias have become the new normal.

When I heard that the former High Court judge Michael McHugh SC had been appointed to inquire into greyhound racing practices, it never occurred to me that someone could seriously challenge the rigour and independence of his investigation.

McHugh was given powers similar to a royal commission to ensure that no stone was unturned. With highly experienced counsel assisting Stephen Rushton SC, the truth was sure to be exposed, whatever it was.

McHugh was one of the outstanding barristers and judges of his generation. He is gifted with the rare combination of a razor-sharp intellect, a photographic memory and the common touch, having grown up in humble circumstances in working-class Newcastle.

Juries used to eat from his hands when he was a barrister because he understands and can relate to ordinary people.

Like most former judges he is fiercely independent and no political friend of the Coalition government. His political links are more to the Labor Party — his former wife was a minister in the Hawke government. Nobody could suggest he was appointed to achieve any set outcome.

McHugh possesses other unique credentials likely to be sympathetic rather than hostile to greyhound racers. His weekend relaxation for most of his life has been to follow and have a punt on the races. That is why Greyhound Racing NSW had previously engaged him to review their situation.

McHugh’s forensic investigation revealed horrible evidence of animal cruelty. Not by a few bad apples as some have suggested, but between 10-20 per cent of dog trainers involved in live baiting. The number of dogs killed was staggering. About half of all greyhounds bred to race, up to 68,000 dogs, have been killed in the past 12 years because they could not race quickly enough. And that cruelty extended to awful methods of killing — some of them as if they had come out of a horror movie.

For example, dogs being bled to death so that their blood could be drained and used after they were killed.

The state government could not turn a blind eye to this evidence. The existing regulation had failed on a grotesque scale. When up to 20 per cent of any group is shown to be involved in abhorrent practices, its position is untenable. Don’t tell me that a good proportion of the other 80 per cent of trainers were not turning a blind eye to the live baiting and killing of dogs. The greyhound racing fraternity has no one but themselves to blame for their current plight.

One NRL player was roundly condemned recently because of inappropriate acts with a dog. Would any sport in our country survive having about 20 per cent of its elite personnel as proven animal abusers? Should greyhound racing be an exception to the standards which apply to everyone else?

Other jurisdictions have also concluded that continuing greyhound racing is not viable. It is banned or not conducted in 45 of the 50 states of the USA and only four countries in Europe have it. Locally, the ACT quickly followed NSW’s lead on a ban.

The government has been reasonable and sympathetic to the effect its decision has on those involved in greyhound racing. It has not announced an immediate halt to racing. A transitional plan over a year will involve a welfare plan for existing greyhounds and an adjustment package to ensure that the adverse impact on individuals is minimised as much as reasonably possible.

A softer response was not an option. Tighter regulation without an outright ban would have shut down a large part of the industry anyway because of the compliance costs and greater policing would be at a massive cost to the community in place of other essential government services — all to stop practices that no reasonable cohort of people should have been involved in anyway.

The breeders and racers were given every opportunity to be heard, were consulted and given an opportunity to put forward all evidence in support of their industry.

But in the end a former High Court judge put all of the relevant evidence before the government — and the evidence was so horribly damning it necessitated decisive action.

Alister Henskens SC was counsel assisting the equine influenza inquiry, a member of the 2015 parliamentary inquiry into companion animal breeding practices and is the Liberal member for Ku-ring-gai.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/no-choice-but-to-ban-the-dogs/news...
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Reply #1 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:27am
 
And on cue, NSW Labor are opposing it JUST because they're in the opposition and want to have a point of difference.

NSW Labor are arse clowns
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Reply #2 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:30am
 
Gordon wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:27am:
And on cue, NSW Labor are opposing it JUST because they're in the opposition and want to have a point of difference.

NSW Labor are arse clowns


Yes, they're being total dicks on this issue.

Ban it, and ban it now.

All states!
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Reply #3 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:39am
 
I love greyhounds, they are such a gentle good natured dog, my Dad owned 2.  But to say live baiting isn't widespread is a lie and to say dogs aren't put down if they don't pull their weight is a lie.
Mind you owning a cat if you have a greyhound is also problematic.

I don't think the sport and people involved should be destroyed by the government.  It will lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of dogs.  It will ruin the lives of many people.  It will take away entertainment and social value in many peoples lives and will cost the government a great deal of money and regular revenue.

What is needed is better monitoring and harsher penalties.  Tighter breeding controls, deregistration, lifetime bans and large fines need to be imposed on those who cross the line.  It won't take long to weed out those who need to be weeded out.

I think Foley is actually onto a winner here.
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Reply #4 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:46am
 
Grendel wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:39am:
It will lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of dogs. 


10's of thousands of dogs were dying anyway, at least these will be the LAST 10.000

Grendel wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:39am:
It will ruin the lives of many people.


Anyone who makes a living out of systemic suffering & cruelty get no sympathy from me, as far as I'm concerned throw the f#$kers in goal as well.

Grendel wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:39am:
It will take away entertainment and social value in many peoples lives


See above but replace living with entertainment

Grendel wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:39am:
cost the government a great deal of money and regular revenue.


Really?? you think dishlicker punters will just stop punting??? no move to horses,trots,footy or the mirrade of other gambling choices.


The fact is everyone knew what was going on and as with everything, When good people stay silent bad things happen.
The good trainers & owners stayed silent & allowed the thugs to get away with deplorable behaviour, so now you all pay the price.

Suck Sh!T, now onto live exports.
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Reply #5 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:51am
 
There's a push on to have greyhounds adopted out, with an information campaign to go with it to educate people and dispel some myths about their suitability as pets and potentially as family dogs. This should save a lot of greyhounds, although probably not all of them. The ban must stay as it will save many more greyhounds in future.
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Reply #6 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:54am
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:46am:
Anyone who makes a living out of systemic suffering & cruelty get no sympathy from me, as far as I'm concerned throw the f#$kers in goal as well.


Absolutely.

They get no sympathy from me.

Get a real job, ya bums!

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Reply #7 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:57am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:54am:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:46am:
Anyone who makes a living out of systemic suffering & cruelty get no sympathy from me, as far as I'm concerned throw the f#$kers in goal as well.


Absolutely.

They get no sympathy from me.

Get a real job, ya bums!



I have sympathy for those who never did the wrong thing. My old neighbour as a kid was a good bloke who cared a great deal for his greyhounds. I even helped him. Unfortunately, it's those who didn't give a crap who have ruined it for those who do care and since change wasn't going to be possible, this is the end result. Not many greyhound trainers make this their sole source of income. For many, if not most, it's a hobby on the side. Life will go on.
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Reply #8 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 11:05am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:57am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:54am:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:46am:
Anyone who makes a living out of systemic suffering & cruelty get no sympathy from me, as far as I'm concerned throw the f#$kers in goal as well.


Absolutely.

They get no sympathy from me.

Get a real job, ya bums!



I have sympathy for those who never did the wrong thing. My old neighbour as a kid was a good bloke who cared a great deal for his greyhounds. I even helped him. Unfortunately, it's those who didn't give a crap who have ruined it for those who do care and since change wasn't going to be possible, this is the end result. Not many greyhound trainers make this their sole source of income. For many, if not most, it's a hobby on the side. Life will go on.


I don't consider exploiting animals for entertainment and profit to be a good thing, no matter how well the animals are treated off the track.

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Reply #9 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 11:08am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 11:05am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:57am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:54am:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:46am:
Anyone who makes a living out of systemic suffering & cruelty get no sympathy from me, as far as I'm concerned throw the f#$kers in goal as well.


Absolutely.

They get no sympathy from me.

Get a real job, ya bums!



I have sympathy for those who never did the wrong thing. My old neighbour as a kid was a good bloke who cared a great deal for his greyhounds. I even helped him. Unfortunately, it's those who didn't give a crap who have ruined it for those who do care and since change wasn't going to be possible, this is the end result. Not many greyhound trainers make this their sole source of income. For many, if not most, it's a hobby on the side. Life will go on.


I don't consider exploiting animals for entertainment and profit to be a good thing, no matter how well the animals are treated off the track.



I agree. All I am saying is that I understand the feelings of those who didn't actively abuse their animals.
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Reply #10 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 11:13am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 11:08am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 11:05am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:57am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:54am:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:46am:
Anyone who makes a living out of systemic suffering & cruelty get no sympathy from me, as far as I'm concerned throw the f#$kers in goal as well.


Absolutely.

They get no sympathy from me.

Get a real job, ya bums!



I have sympathy for those who never did the wrong thing. My old neighbour as a kid was a good bloke who cared a great deal for his greyhounds. I even helped him. Unfortunately, it's those who didn't give a crap who have ruined it for those who do care and since change wasn't going to be possible, this is the end result. Not many greyhound trainers make this their sole source of income. For many, if not most, it's a hobby on the side. Life will go on.


I don't consider exploiting animals for entertainment and profit to be a good thing, no matter how well the animals are treated off the track.





I agree. All I am saying is that I understand the feelings of those who didn't actively abuse their animals.



Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:46am:
When good people stay silent bad things happen.


They only have THEMSELVES TO BLAME
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Reply #11 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 11:46am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:30am:
Gordon wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:27am:
And on cue, NSW Labor are opposing it JUST because they're in the opposition and want to have a point of difference.

NSW Labor are arse clowns


Yes, they're being total dicks on this issue.

Ban it, and ban it now.

All states!


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Reply #12 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 11:51am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:57am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:54am:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 10:46am:
Anyone who makes a living out of systemic suffering & cruelty get no sympathy from me, as far as I'm concerned throw the f#$kers in goal as well.


Absolutely.

They get no sympathy from me.

Get a real job, ya bums!



I have sympathy for those who never did the wrong thing. My old neighbour as a kid was a good bloke who cared a great deal for his greyhounds. I even helped him. Unfortunately, it's those who didn't give a crap who have ruined it for those who do care and since change wasn't going to be possible, this is the end result. Not many greyhound trainers make this their sole source of income. For many, if not most, it's a hobby on the side. Life will go on.



I do too but as the OP suggests, even those 80% have some blood on their hands, since its almost impossible to believe they didnt know what was going on.
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Reply #13 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 1:08pm
 
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 11:51am:
I do too but as the OP suggests, even those 80% have some blood on their hands, since its almost impossible to believe they didnt know what was going on.



the govt. regulators can't argue they didn't know what was going on, the police and the courts knew what was going on, the animal welfare leagues knew what was going on, the department of racing and gaming knew what was going on

EVERYONE knew what was going on, do we ban all them too?
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Reply #14 - Jul 12th, 2016 at 1:09pm
 
John Smith wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 1:08pm:
Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 12th, 2016 at 11:51am:
I do too but as the OP suggests, even those 80% have some blood on their hands, since its almost impossible to believe they didnt know what was going on.



the govt. regulators can't argue they didn't know what was going on, the police and the courts knew what was going on, the animal welfare leagues knew what was going on, the department of racing and gaming knew what was going on

EVERYONE knew what was going on, do we ban all them too?


No, just ban what's going on.

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