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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 75173 Gender:	Re: Great opinion piece on the greyhound ban Reply #15 - Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:11pm greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:09pm: No, just ban what's going on. don't agree with it ... it's a step to far. Banning the sport just means they give up. You won't stop it, you'll simply drive it underground. It is far simpler if we enabled people to do their jobs properly
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Re: Great opinion piece on the greyhound ban
Reply #16 - Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:12pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

No, just ban what's going on.

don't agree with it ... it's a step to far. Banning the sport just means they give up. You won't stop it, you'll simply drive it underground.

It is far simpler if we enabled people to do their jobs properly

It's a job that shouldn't exist in the first place.

Ban it.

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Reply #17 - Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:16pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 10:46am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 10:39am:

It will lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of dogs.

10's of thousands of dogs were dying anyway, at least these will be the LAST 10.000

Grendel wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 10:39am:

It will ruin the lives of many people.

Anyone who makes a living out of systemic suffering & cruelty get no sympathy from me, as far as I'm concerned throw the f#$kers in goal as well.

Grendel wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 10:39am:

It will take away entertainment and social value in many peoples lives

See above but replace living with entertainment

Grendel wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 10:39am:

cost the government a great deal of money and regular revenue.

Really?? you think dishlicker punters will just stop punting??? no move to horses,trots,footy or the mirrade of other gambling choices.

The fact is everyone knew what was going on and as with everything, When good people stay silent bad things happen.
The good trainers & owners stayed silent & allowed the thugs to get away with deplorable behaviour, so now you all pay the price.

Suck Sh!T, now onto live exports.

Wassup Smithy intolerant of another point of view? Rude and abusive because progs cant tolerate dissent.

I'm looking at a win/win... you are looking at hurting people and animals...

Personally I don't own one, I don't race one, I don't bet.... so its no skin off my nose... the fact you think killing thousands of animals another way is a good thing says what about you? Killing is killing bozo. Cheesy

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Reply #18 - Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:18pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 10:51am:

There's a push on to have greyhounds adopted out, with an information campaign to go with it to educate people and dispel some myths about their suitability as pets and potentially as family dogs. This should save a lot of greyhounds, although probably not all of them. The ban must stay as it will save many more greyhounds in future.

They are not Whippets, they are a big dog and need food and exercise...
Most will be killed.
We could export them to China right? Roll Eyes

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Reply #19 - Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:34pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

No, just ban what's going on.

don't agree with it ... it's a step to far. Banning the sport just means they give up. You won't stop it, you'll simply drive it underground.

It is far simpler if we enabled people to do their jobs properly

Where would they race?

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #20 - Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:59pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

No, just ban what's going on.

don't agree with it ... it's a step to far. Banning the sport just means they give up. You won't stop it, you'll simply drive it underground.

It is far simpler if we enabled people to do their jobs properly

Where would they race?

massive top secret underground racetracks.

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Reply #21 - Jul 12^th, 2016 at 2:16pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

No, just ban what's going on.

don't agree with it ... it's a step to far. Banning the sport just means they give up. You won't stop it, you'll simply drive it underground.

It is far simpler if we enabled people to do their jobs properly

Where would they race?

one thing this country doesn't lack is land.

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Reply #22 - Jul 12^th, 2016 at 2:43pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 2:16pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

No, just ban what's going on.

don't agree with it ... it's a step to far. Banning the sport just means they give up. You won't stop it, you'll simply drive it underground.

It is far simpler if we enabled people to do their jobs properly

Where would they race?

one thing this country doesn't lack is land.

I think I hear there are 34 tracks in NSW John... but they couldn't be used and I don't think social races would be enough motivation to keep the animals or the sport alive.

Is this another subject we are agreeing on?
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Reply #23 - Jul 12^th, 2016 at 3:01pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:16pm:

Wassup Smithy intolerant of another point of view? Rude and abusive because progs cant tolerate dissent.

No not at all, your POV is most welcome and encouraged, however what I am intolerant of is hypocritical arguments now being made about the welfare of the animals
What has been going on has been common knowledge for years, yet has been allowed to continue NOW all of a sudden the deaths & mistreatment of dogs is a concern? Please don't be so gullible

I'd also like someone to verify these 1000's of jobs because I bet my local track employs about 6 staff

2 x office and administrative
2 x grounds staff
2 x bar staff

All cleaners and those young uni students serving drinks on a race day would be contractors employed for that raceday only

Happy to be put right as I said its a guess but I'd wager a pretty good one.

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Reply #24 - Jul 12^th, 2016 at 3:11pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

No, just ban what's going on.

don't agree with it ... it's a step to far. Banning the sport just means they give up. You won't stop it, you'll simply drive it underground.

It is far simpler if we enabled people to do their jobs properly

It's a job that shouldn't exist in the first place.

Ban it.

I meant the jobs of those that are meant to be policing it

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Reply #25 - Jul 12^th, 2016 at 3:18pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 2:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 2:16pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

No, just ban what's going on.

don't agree with it ... it's a step to far. Banning the sport just means they give up. You won't stop it, you'll simply drive it underground.

It is far simpler if we enabled people to do their jobs properly

Where would they race?

one thing this country doesn't lack is land.

I think I hear there are 34 tracks in NSW John... but they couldn't be used and I don't think social races would be enough motivation to keep the animals or the sport alive.

Is this another subject we are agreeing on?
Grin

i wasn't thinking of illegal racetracks .... I was thinking more along the lines of a couple of dog racers getting together on a farm and letting an rabbit go, which ever dog gets the rabbit wins the race

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Reply #26 - Jul 12^th, 2016 at 3:22pm

Who chose Luke Foley to lead the Labor Party in NSW? Like someone else said, he has issues overflowing to take on the Government with in NSW and what does he choose Greyhound Racing.

Luke unfortunately has got 'dickhead' practically imprinted on his forehead. Any would be leader who has been knocked off for drink driving twice has got serious personal issues.

He has the personality of a sloth and when Labor re take New South Wales which I pray for, it won't be under his stewardship, seriously where did they find this nerd?

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Reply #27 - Jul 12^th, 2016 at 3:27pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 10:39am:

I love greyhounds, they are such a gentle good natured dog, my Dad owned 2. But to say live baiting isn't widespread is a lie and to say dogs aren't put down if they don't pull their weight is a lie.
Mind you owning a cat if you have a greyhound is also problematic.

I don't think the sport and people involved should be destroyed by the government. It will lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of dogs. It will ruin the lives of many people. It will take away entertainment and social value in many peoples lives and will cost the government a great deal of money and regular revenue.

What is needed is better monitoring and harsher penalties. Tighter breeding controls, deregistration, lifetime bans and large fines need to be imposed on those who cross the line. It won't take long to weed out those who need to be weeded out.

I think Foley is actually onto a winner here.

While I love your positive outlook on the future of greyhound racing, I have to disagree with it.

McHughs report looks at lowering the number of races held each year and still found that 6000 dogs would have to be bred each year to service those races. (Each dog can only race so many times per year) Roughly 50 - 70% of those dogs bred will never make it to the race track. Meaning each year homes will have to be found for around 3,000 to 4,000 greyhounds (and that is just NSW). It simply cannot be done.

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macman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2435 australia Gender:	Re: Great opinion piece on the greyhound ban Reply #28 - Jul 12^th, 2016 at 4:33pm I hate to be the cynical one but what has this all got to do with the welfare of dogs? True to form, this is another cash grab by 'teflon'. Get rid of greyhound racing, sell wentworth park to his developer mates. )$%^& grub!
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Reply #29 - Jul 12^th, 2016 at 4:39pm

macman wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 4:33pm:

I hate to be the cynical one

but what has this all got to do with the welfare of dogs? True to form, this is another cash grab by 'teflon'. Get rid of greyhound racing, sell wentworth park to his developer mates. *)$%^&* grub!

Don't worry. You're not alone.

My initial reaction was exactly the same.

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