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Reply #30 - Jul 12^th, 2016 at 4:46pm

I TOTALLY disapprove of racing dogs, horses, and flies, cockies (cockroaches) and so forth. More so, wasting money betting on same!

Everyone should be made to have a dog and take it for a 2K walk, morning and night, plus pick up its droppings and dispose of them. /joke

Cat lovers should also be criticised. /joke

I am sure there is a LONG list of stuff that we "shouldn't have".

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Reply #31 - Jul 12^th, 2016 at 4:47pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 3:01pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:16pm:

Wassup Smithy intolerant of another point of view? Rude and abusive because progs cant tolerate dissent.

No not at all, your POV is most welcome and encouraged, however what I am intolerant of is hypocritical arguments now being made about the welfare of the animals

Its not hypocritical, there are 10,000 dogs now "earning a living" soon to be for the most part tossed on the scrap heap and they will all bar a lucky few end up dead.

What has been going on has been common knowledge for years, yet has been allowed to continue NOW all of a sudden the deaths & mistreatment of dogs is a concern? Please don't be so gullible

Well I'm not gullable, but you have blinkers on if you think killing one way is not the same as killing another way.

I'd also like someone to verify these 1000's of jobs because I bet my local track employs about 6 staff

2 x office and administrative
2 x grounds staff
2 x bar staff

Then you need to go to Dapto or Wentworth Park then... Dogs require muzzles, collars, vets, food, exercise, vehicles, the list goes on and on...

All cleaners and those young uni students serving drinks on a race day would be contractors employed for that raceday only

Happy to be put right as I said its a guess but I'd wager a pretty good one.

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Reply #32 - Jul 12^th, 2016 at 4:51pm

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 3:18pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 2:43pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 2:16pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:09pm:

No, just ban what's going on.

don't agree with it ... it's a step to far. Banning the sport just means they give up. You won't stop it, you'll simply drive it underground.

It is far simpler if we enabled people to do their jobs properly

Where would they race?

one thing this country doesn't lack is land.

I think I hear there are 34 tracks in NSW John... but they couldn't be used and I don't think social races would be enough motivation to keep the animals or the sport alive.

Is this another subject we are agreeing on?
Grin

i wasn't thinking of illegal racetracks .... I was thinking more along the lines of a couple of dog racers getting together on a farm and letting an rabbit go, which ever dog gets the rabbit wins the race

I wasn't thinking of illegal racetracks either.... oh dear these are legal ones... [/quote]
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Re: Great opinion piece on the greyhound ban
Reply #33 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:13am

Adopt a greyhound - they are very gentle dogs.....

When I was a young kid, many years ago, and used to wander the local bush and the local garbage dump... I once came across a greyhound in the dump with its throat slashed.... obviously it could run no more races and was expendable...

At one time we kids, without our parents consent, and bearing in mind we were half-starved ourselves, adopted a greyhound bitch who was pregnant with a 'mongrel' litter and was dumped...... she was a lovely dog and loved to run.... at least her owners dumped her instead of killing her....

I think that industry stinks.

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Reply #34 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:17am

Grendel wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 10:39am:

I love greyhounds, they are such a gentle good natured dog, my Dad owned 2. But to say live baiting isn't widespread is a lie and to say dogs aren't put down if they don't pull their weight is a lie.
Mind you owning a cat if you have a greyhound is also problematic.

I don't think the sport and people involved should be destroyed by the government. It will lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of dogs. It will ruin the lives of many people. It will take away entertainment and social value in many peoples lives and will cost the government a great deal of money and regular revenue.

What is needed is better monitoring and harsher penalties. Tighter breeding controls, deregistration, lifetime bans and large fines need to be imposed on those who cross the line. It won't take long to weed out those who need to be weeded out.

I think Foley is actually onto a winner here.

You forgot to include loooong prison sentences.... I personally believe that you can get the best out of an animal with civilised treatment and that to chase is in the greyhound's DNA so there is no need for live baiting.....

The people responsible should cop ten years........ in Supermax....

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Reply #35 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:22am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 3:01pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 1:16pm:

Wassup Smithy intolerant of another point of view? Rude and abusive because progs cant tolerate dissent.

No not at all, your POV is most welcome and encouraged, however what I am intolerant of is hypocritical arguments now being made about the welfare of the animals
What has been going on has been common knowledge for years, yet has been allowed to continue NOW all of a sudden the deaths & mistreatment of dogs is a concern? Please don't be so gullible

I'd also like someone to verify these 1000's of jobs because I bet my local track employs about 6 staff

2 x office and administrative
2 x grounds staff
2 x bar staff

All cleaners and those young uni students serving drinks on a race day would be contractors employed for that raceday only

Happy to be put right as I said its a guess but I'd wager a pretty good one.

Change has to start some time.... sadly it is the dogs who will suffer most.... all they want is to run and have a decent life...

But I don't trust Baird and his hidden intentions..... not the kind of politician I would trust with a genuine agenda of animal welfare.

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Reply #37 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 7:41am

Yet again, we see urban wankers trying to put their human ideas onto animals.
Such low consciousness thinking.

Do you think it is punishment for a greyhound to run?
Do you think my kelpies are being abused when i get them out in the paddock?
Do you think a horse is being abused when it is rounding up cattle or is being taken to pony club?

i can tell you , they love it.
They are miserable if you dont let them do it.

My kelpies whine and sook and become depressed without work (interesting, so many urban wankers have working dogs they never exercise)....perhaps the RSPCA can look at them.

I have horses who will hop onto the float if they see my daughter dressed in equestrian gear, one that self loads, you cant get it off if it thinks it will miss out on a trip.

Racehorses (thoroughbreds) have to be restrained by a painful bit, they are that keen to run.
Watch them in their natural environment and they run around all day.

Most of the posters on here are clueless numpties.

Sure live baiting is cruel , but lets look at it from a rabbits perspective.

The politicians who are so loving of the bunny, were and are quite happy to release myxo and chalesi virus to control rabbit numbers. Have you seen rabbits with myxo, ulcers on their eyes, that perforate the eyeball and then they die a slow death over a week or so.
And you tossers get all bent out of shape over a quick kill by a greyhound, probably a one strike, probably exactly as nature intended it.

And the same urban "animal lovers" who love the shark cant see that a hunting dog is no different.

Really the blatant hypocricy and emotional 10 yo girl like thinking and back slapping by the urban tosser is pathetic.

And i have seen old horses with poor circulation given the green dream and it takes 20 minutes to circulate to their brain and they lay their frothing at the mouth, looking up at you as they slowly expire. A horse has a skull the thickness of a dinner plate, One 22 bullet and he drops dead without any such awful suffering.
Yet if i shot a horse and the someone saw it, (some urban numptie like the posters in this thread, they would probably ring the RSPCA.

so go enjoy your myxomatosis and enjoy watching 1000's of dogs that loved the joy of running get the needle

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Reply #38 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:03am

aquascoot wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

Yet again, we see urban wankers trying to put their human ideas onto animals.
Such low consciousness thinking.

Do you think it is punishment for a greyhound to run?
Do you think my kelpies are being abused when i get them out in the paddock?
Do you think a horse is being abused when it is rounding up cattle or is being taken to pony club?

i can tell you , they love it.
They are miserable if you dont let them do it.

My kelpies whine and sook and become depressed without work (interesting, so many urban wankers have working dogs they never exercise)....perhaps the RSPCA can look at them.

I have horses who will hop onto the float if they see my daughter dressed in equestrian gear, one that self loads, you cant get it off if it thinks it will miss out on a trip.

Racehorses (thoroughbreds) have to be restrained by a painful bit, they are that keen to run.
Watch them in their natural environment and they run around all day.

Most of the posters on here are clueless numpties.

Sure live baiting is cruel , but lets look at it from a rabbits perspective.

The politicians who are so loving of the bunny, were and are quite happy to release myxo and chalesi virus to control rabbit numbers. Have you seen rabbits with myxo, ulcers on their eyes, that perforate the eyeball and then they die a slow death over a week or so.
And you tossers get all bent out of shape over a quick kill by a greyhound, probably a one strike, probably exactly as nature intended it.

And the same urban "animal lovers" who love the shark cant see that a hunting dog is no different.

Really the blatant hypocricy and emotional 10 yo girl like thinking and back slapping by the urban tosser is pathetic.

And i have seen old horses with poor circulation given the green dream and it takes 20 minutes to circulate to their brain and they lay their frothing at the mouth, looking up at you as they slowly expire. A horse has a skull the thickness of a dinner plate, One 22 bullet and he drops dead without any such awful suffering.
Yet if i shot a horse and the someone saw it, (some urban numptie like the posters in this thread, they would probably ring the RSPCA.

so go enjoy your myxomatosis and enjoy watching 1000's of dogs that loved the joy of running get the needle

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Aqua I agree in principle but you're failing to take into account the disposal rate to get just one dog that can run.

Raising greyhounds can be a backyard operation so these is such little oversight. Also with baiting, it's been shown to be not just bunnies but native animals, and basically any small animal with a pulse.

Unwanted greyhounds are being drained of their blood and then euthanised to help with the treatment of others, in the latest disturbing claims to hit the sport.

Last month, 7.30 exposed widespread doping and allegations of animal cruelty within the greyhound racing industry.

It provoked a strong response from veterinary nurses, who say they are being forced to kill some of the 17,000 healthy dogs believed to be discarded by the industry each year.

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Reply #39 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:30am

Gordon wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

Yet again, we see urban wankers trying to put their human ideas onto animals.
Such low consciousness thinking.

Do you think it is punishment for a greyhound to run?
Do you think my kelpies are being abused when i get them out in the paddock?
Do you think a horse is being abused when it is rounding up cattle or is being taken to pony club?

i can tell you , they love it.
They are miserable if you dont let them do it.

My kelpies whine and sook and become depressed without work (interesting, so many urban wankers have working dogs they never exercise)....perhaps the RSPCA can look at them.

I have horses who will hop onto the float if they see my daughter dressed in equestrian gear, one that self loads, you cant get it off if it thinks it will miss out on a trip.

Racehorses (thoroughbreds) have to be restrained by a painful bit, they are that keen to run.
Watch them in their natural environment and they run around all day.

Most of the posters on here are clueless numpties.

Sure live baiting is cruel , but lets look at it from a rabbits perspective.

The politicians who are so loving of the bunny, were and are quite happy to release myxo and chalesi virus to control rabbit numbers. Have you seen rabbits with myxo, ulcers on their eyes, that perforate the eyeball and then they die a slow death over a week or so.
And you tossers get all bent out of shape over a quick kill by a greyhound, probably a one strike, probably exactly as nature intended it.

And the same urban "animal lovers" who love the shark cant see that a hunting dog is no different.

Really the blatant hypocricy and emotional 10 yo girl like thinking and back slapping by the urban tosser is pathetic.

And i have seen old horses with poor circulation given the green dream and it takes 20 minutes to circulate to their brain and they lay their frothing at the mouth, looking up at you as they slowly expire. A horse has a skull the thickness of a dinner plate, One 22 bullet and he drops dead without any such awful suffering.
Yet if i shot a horse and the someone saw it, (some urban numptie like the posters in this thread, they would probably ring the RSPCA.

so go enjoy your myxomatosis and enjoy watching 1000's of dogs that loved the joy of running get the needle

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Aqua I agree in principle but you're failing to take into account the disposal rate to get just one dog that can run.

Raising greyhounds can be a backyard operation so these is such little oversight. Also with baiting, it's been shown to be not just bunnies but native animals, and basically any small animal with a pulse.

Unwanted greyhounds are being drained of their blood and then euthanised to help with the treatment of others, in the latest disturbing claims to hit the sport.

Last month, 7.30 exposed widespread doping and allegations of animal cruelty within the greyhound racing industry.

It provoked a strong response from veterinary nurses, who say they are being forced to kill some of the 17,000 healthy dogs believed to be discarded by the industry each year.

thank you gordon for youre thoughtful response.

overbreeding is a big problem in these sports for sure.
they overbreed and keep the fast ones and dispose of the slow ones.

this is also an enormous problem with the thoroughbred industry, where some 70 % never see a racetrack.

i have been gifted some in the past and , with my daughters fine tuning them into jumpers, we have rehomed them and made some good money.

this is solvable and i like the german model.
they decide how many horses are needed to fill the fields in racing, issue licences for stallions and breed the number they require.
there is no reason this cannot be done in australia.

you say, we have spots for 1500 dogs in NSW. anyone who breeds outside of the quota is fined and their breeding licence revoked ...simple.

But animal raising is always a little cruel. nature is cruel.
i was down on kangaroo island on my partners sheep farm 2 years ago during lambing.
it was cold and wet.
most ewes have 2 lambs.
if it is cold and wet, they just keep the better one and walk off and leave the weaker one.
it is quite heartbreaking to walk around a paddock , donging abandoned lambs on the head.
In new zealand , in a bad season, they pile these lambs up near the road and people use them to feed animals.
Its tough, i understand, city folk watching 4 corners arent exposed to this.
interestingly, 2 of the 3 girls i know who muster cattle are vegetarian. We arent heartless in the bush. we love our animals.

as for the ban on live cattle...again , just ignorant numpties who watch too much TV and have never met a farmer. most farmers would take more offense if you criticised their horse or their cattle, then if you criticised their wife Wink

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Reply #40 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:36am

aquascoot wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:30am:

Gordon wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:03am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 7:41am:

Yet again, we see urban wankers trying to put their human ideas onto animals.
Such low consciousness thinking.

Do you think it is punishment for a greyhound to run?
Do you think my kelpies are being abused when i get them out in the paddock?
Do you think a horse is being abused when it is rounding up cattle or is being taken to pony club?

i can tell you , they love it.
They are miserable if you dont let them do it.

My kelpies whine and sook and become depressed without work (interesting, so many urban wankers have working dogs they never exercise)....perhaps the RSPCA can look at them.

I have horses who will hop onto the float if they see my daughter dressed in equestrian gear, one that self loads, you cant get it off if it thinks it will miss out on a trip.

Racehorses (thoroughbreds) have to be restrained by a painful bit, they are that keen to run.
Watch them in their natural environment and they run around all day.

Most of the posters on here are clueless numpties.

Sure live baiting is cruel , but lets look at it from a rabbits perspective.

The politicians who are so loving of the bunny, were and are quite happy to release myxo and chalesi virus to control rabbit numbers. Have you seen rabbits with myxo, ulcers on their eyes, that perforate the eyeball and then they die a slow death over a week or so.
And you tossers get all bent out of shape over a quick kill by a greyhound, probably a one strike, probably exactly as nature intended it.

And the same urban "animal lovers" who love the shark cant see that a hunting dog is no different.

Really the blatant hypocricy and emotional 10 yo girl like thinking and back slapping by the urban tosser is pathetic.

And i have seen old horses with poor circulation given the green dream and it takes 20 minutes to circulate to their brain and they lay their frothing at the mouth, looking up at you as they slowly expire. A horse has a skull the thickness of a dinner plate, One 22 bullet and he drops dead without any such awful suffering.
Yet if i shot a horse and the someone saw it, (some urban numptie like the posters in this thread, they would probably ring the RSPCA.

so go enjoy your myxomatosis and enjoy watching 1000's of dogs that loved the joy of running get the needle

Tossers Angry

Aqua I agree in principle but you're failing to take into account the disposal rate to get just one dog that can run.

Raising greyhounds can be a backyard operation so these is such little oversight. Also with baiting, it's been shown to be not just bunnies but native animals, and basically any small animal with a pulse.

Unwanted greyhounds are being drained of their blood and then euthanised to help with the treatment of others, in the latest disturbing claims to hit the sport.

Last month, 7.30 exposed widespread doping and allegations of animal cruelty within the greyhound racing industry.

It provoked a strong response from veterinary nurses, who say they are being forced to kill some of the 17,000 healthy dogs believed to be discarded by the industry each year.

thank you gordon for youre thoughtful response.

overbreeding is a big problem in these sports for sure.
they overbreed and keep the fast ones and dispose of the slow ones.

this is also an enormous problem with the thoroughbred industry, where some 70 % never see a racetrack.

i have been gifted some in the past and , with my daughters fine tuning them into jumpers, we have rehomed them and made some good money.

this is solvable and i like the german model.
they decide how many horses are needed to fill the fields in racing, issue licences for stallions and breed the number they require.
there is no reason this cannot be done in australia.

you say, we have spots for 1500 dogs in NSW. anyone who breeds outside of the quota is fined and their breeding licence revoked ...simple.

But animal raising is always a little cruel. nature is cruel.
i was down on kangaroo island on my partners sheep farm 2 years ago during lambing.
it was cold and wet.
most ewes have 2 lambs.
if it is cold and wet, they just keep the better one and walk off and leave the weaker one.
it is quite heartbreaking to walk around a paddock , donging abandoned lambs on the head.
In new zealand , in a bad season, they pile these lambs up near the road and people use them to feed animals.
Its tough, i understand, city folk watching 4 corners arent exposed to this.
interestingly, 2 of the 3 girls i know who muster cattle are vegetarian. We arent heartless in the bush. we love our animals.

as for the ban on live cattle...again , just ignorant numpties who watch too much TV and have never met a farmer. most farmers would take more offense if you criticised their horse or their cattle, then if you criticised their wife Wink

Yes just dont tell your partner his sheep were terrible.

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Reply #41 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:42am

aquascoot wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:30am:

as for the ban on live cattle...again , just ignorant numpties who watch too much TV and have never met a farmer. most farmers would take more offense if you criticised their horse or their cattle, then if you criticised their wife

Yes apparently they love them so much once a fistfull of $$ changes hands death in a slow agonising way watched by the next in line is all fine and dandy.

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Reply #42 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:43am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:17am:

Grendel wrote on Jul 12^th, 2016 at 10:39am:

I love greyhounds, they are such a gentle good natured dog, my Dad owned 2. But to say live baiting isn't widespread is a lie and to say dogs aren't put down if they don't pull their weight is a lie.
Mind you owning a cat if you have a greyhound is also problematic.

I don't think the sport and people involved should be destroyed by the government. It will lead to the deaths of tens of thousands of dogs. It will ruin the lives of many people. It will take away entertainment and social value in many peoples lives and will cost the government a great deal of money and regular revenue.

What is needed is better monitoring and harsher penalties. Tighter breeding controls, deregistration, lifetime bans and large fines need to be imposed on those who cross the line. It won't take long to weed out those who need to be weeded out.

I think Foley is actually onto a winner here.

You forgot to include loooong prison sentences.... I personally believe that you can get the best out of an animal with civilised treatment and that to chase is in the greyhound's DNA so there is no need for live baiting.....

The people responsible should cop ten years........ in Supermax....

yes I agree with that grappler, but the myth has been sown, people can organize early morning bloodings and make extra cash, from the ignorant.
they should be out of the game.

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Re: Great opinion piece on the greyhound ban
Reply #43 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:49am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:42am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:30am:

as for the ban on live cattle...again , just ignorant numpties who watch too much TV and have never met a farmer. most farmers would take more offense if you criticised their horse or their cattle, then if you criticised their wife

Yes apparently they love them so much once a fistfull of $$ changes hands death in a slow agonising way watched by the next in line is all fine and dandy.

Well , i have seen cattle slaughtered and they dont have the same reaction that horses do.

cattle and sheep will quite meekly line up and look oblivious to the animal in front of them.

try that with horses and you would have mayhem. if you killed a horse and there was a line up, every horse within 500m would flip out.

as for the state of abbatoirs in vietnam.
we exported nearly 400,000 head there last year and less then 200 got out of the supply chain.

all vietnamese abbatoirs are now fitted with CCTV cameras and monitored 24/7,
a link from the lefts very own ABC

enjoy

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-15/vietnam-live-export-supply-cctv-camerasglo...

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Re: Great opinion piece on the greyhound ban
Reply #44 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:54am

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yes I agree with that grappler, but the myth has been sown, people can organize early morning bloodings and make extra cash, from the ignorant.
they should be out of the game.

Well if all these 1000's of responsible greyhound owners/trainers had done something to educate & stop these ignorant practices we wouldn't be having this discussion & there'd be racing in August next year.

They didn't.

Tough titties.

Anyone found the ACTUAL numbers of people directly employed by greyhound racing yet?

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Dogs require muzzles, collars, vets, food, exercise, vehicles, the list goes on and on...

And Grendal, I'm pretty sure everything you listed will still be viable seeing just about everything you list is used by more animals than just greyhounds

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