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Re: Great opinion piece on the greyhound ban
Reply #45 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:59am

aquascoot wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:49am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:42am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:30am:

as for the ban on live cattle...again , just ignorant numpties who watch too much TV and have never met a farmer. most farmers would take more offense if you criticised their horse or their cattle, then if you criticised their wife

Yes apparently they love them so much once a fistfull of $$ changes hands death in a slow agonising way watched by the next in line is all fine and dandy.

Well , i have seen cattle slaughtered and they dont have the same reaction that horses do.

cattle and sheep will quite meekly line up and look oblivious to the animal in front of them.

try that with horses and you would have mayhem. if you killed a horse and there was a line up, every horse within 500m would flip out.

as for the state of abbatoirs in vietnam.
we exported nearly 400,000 head there last year and less then 200 got out of the supply chain.

all vietnamese abbatoirs are now fitted with CCTV cameras and monitored 24/7,
a link from the lefts very own ABC

enjoy

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-15/vietnam-live-export-supply-cctv-camerasglo...

And that is a fantastic thing, do you think it has happened because of the export ban after the Indo debacle?

Do you think these improvements would be happening if not for the ongoing protests after the exposure of YET ANOTHER horrific event?

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Re: Great opinion piece on the greyhound ban
Reply #46 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 11:33am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:54am:

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yes I agree with that grappler, but the myth has been sown, people can organize early morning bloodings and make extra cash, from the ignorant.
they should be out of the game.

Well if all these 1000's of responsible greyhound owners/trainers had done something to educate & stop these ignorant practices we wouldn't be having this discussion & there'd be racing in August next year.

They didn't.

Tough titties.

Anyone found the ACTUAL numbers of people directly employed by greyhound racing yet?

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Dogs require muzzles, collars, vets, food, exercise, vehicles, the list goes on and on...

And Grendal, I'm pretty sure everything you listed will still be viable seeing just about everything you list is used by more animals than just greyhounds

I have copied and pasted the part of the report that deals with the employment numbers. These numbers come from the individual clubs themselves

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1.89
The Commission sought and received information from the 34 NSW greyhound clubs. This
included information concerning employment. The responses showed that 52 persons are
directly employed by the clubs on a full-time basis, 511 persons are employed on a part-time or
casual basis and 464 people provide voluntary services.
1.90
GRNSW itself provides employment for 79 people. In FY15, 1,846 persons were registered as
owner-trainers, 5,952 persons were registered as owners of greyhounds, 1,470 person were
registered as full time trainers, 1,098 persons were registered as attendants and 1,270 persons
were registered as breeders. As at 19 February 2016, 709 persons were registered as rearers and
425 persons were registered as educators of greyhounds. It is safe to assume that some persons
falling into one of these categories also fall into one or more other categories. Thus, a number of
those registered as breeders, rearers or educators may also be registered as owners or trainers.
Some registered persons may no longer be active in the industry. However, even with these
qualifications, several thousand people are directly engaged in the greyhound industry in some
form or other.

Section 1.89 and 1.9 on page 13
http://www.greyhoundracinginquiry.justice.nsw.gov.au/Documents/Report-SCI-Greyho...

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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: Great opinion piece on the greyhound ban Reply #47 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 11:41am Thanks Glee We have now established it's not 1000's of jobs but 52 with another 511 on racedays to pour grog. glee wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 11:33am: everal thousand people are directly engaged in the greyhound industry in some form or other. Notice it says engaged NOT employed
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Reply #48 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 12:40pm

There are 1000s of people involved... 1000s. that would be directly, not indirectly...
That doesn't involve. Vets, groomers, merchandise etc, etc, etc.... You think those walking machines you see the dogs on just appear out of a puff of smoke. There are even Chiropractors for dogs... Food, supplements, kennels... the list goes on and on and on...

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Re: Great opinion piece on the greyhound ban
Reply #49 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 12:48pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 12:40pm:

There are 1000s of people involved... 1000s. that would be directly, not indirectly...
That doesn't involve. Vets, groomers, merchandise etc, etc, etc.... You think those walking machines you see the dogs on just appear out of a puff of smoke. There are even Chiropractors for dogs... Food, supplements, kennels... the list goes on and on and on...

Are these things exclusive to greyhounds?

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Reply #51 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 12:55pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:49am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:42am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:30am:

as for the ban on live cattle...again , just ignorant numpties who watch too much TV and have never met a farmer. most farmers would take more offense if you criticised their horse or their cattle, then if you criticised their wife

Yes apparently they love them so much once a fistfull of $$ changes hands death in a slow agonising way watched by the next in line is all fine and dandy.

Well , i have seen cattle slaughtered and they dont have the same reaction that horses do.

cattle and sheep will quite meekly line up and look oblivious to the animal in front of them.

try that with horses and you would have mayhem. if you killed a horse and there was a line up, every horse within 500m would flip out.

as for the state of abbatoirs in vietnam.
we exported nearly 400,000 head there last year and less then 200 got out of the supply chain.

all vietnamese abbatoirs are now fitted with CCTV cameras and monitored 24/7,
a link from the lefts very own ABC

enjoy

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-15/vietnam-live-export-supply-cctv-camerasglo...

And that is a fantastic thing, do you think it has happened because of the export ban after the Indo debacle?

Australia is the only country that imposes slaughter standards on foreign countries.

If we stop live exports there is nobody else doing anything for slaughter standards , banning live exports will achieve nothing for animal welfare and punish our farmers.

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Re: Great opinion piece on the greyhound ban
Reply #52 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 3:02pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:59am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:49am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:42am:

aquascoot wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:30am:

as for the ban on live cattle...again , just ignorant numpties who watch too much TV and have never met a farmer. most farmers would take more offense if you criticised their horse or their cattle, then if you criticised their wife

Yes apparently they love them so much once a fistfull of $$ changes hands death in a slow agonising way watched by the next in line is all fine and dandy.

Well , i have seen cattle slaughtered and they dont have the same reaction that horses do.

cattle and sheep will quite meekly line up and look oblivious to the animal in front of them.

try that with horses and you would have mayhem. if you killed a horse and there was a line up, every horse within 500m would flip out.

as for the state of abbatoirs in vietnam.
we exported nearly 400,000 head there last year and less then 200 got out of the supply chain.

all vietnamese abbatoirs are now fitted with CCTV cameras and monitored 24/7,
a link from the lefts very own ABC

enjoy

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-15/vietnam-live-export-supply-cctv-camerasglo...

And that is a fantastic thing, do you think it has happened because of the export ban after the Indo debacle?

Do you think these improvements would be happening if not for the ongoing protests after the exposure of YET ANOTHER horrific event?

see , its horrific for a city person watching 4 corners.
Heres a dilema for dairy farmers....a male calf is worth about $30 at market. it cost $30 to transport it , so its effectively worth nothing.
if it drinks 20 litres of milk a day. it costs $20 a day to feed.
so no dairy farmer feeds them, they would go broke.
what to do.
euthenase with a needle ...pretty dam expensive for farmers already borrowing money.
lead it down a back paddock and let it starve to death and let the crow pick its eyes out.
or a 22 bullet to the head.

i know which is more humane.

but just imagine 4 corners sneaking a camera in and catching a dairy farmer popping off dozens of male new born calves.

the urban consumer could pay a tax and we could grow them to 6 months and sell as dog food...how do you think that would go down with the "holier then though urban consumer"

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Re: Great opinion piece on the greyhound ban
Reply #53 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 3:16pm

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see , its horrific for a city person watching 4 corners.
Heres a dilema for dairy farmers....a male calf is worth about $30 at market. it cost $30 to transport it , so its effectively worth nothing.
if it drinks 20 litres of milk a day. it costs $20 a day to feed.
so no dairy farmer feeds them, they would go broke.
what to do.
euthenase with a needle ...pretty dam expensive for farmers already borrowing money.
lead it down a back paddock and let it starve to death and let the crow pick its eyes out.
or a 22 bullet to the head.

i know which is more humane.

but just imagine 4 corners sneaking a camera in and catching a dairy farmer popping off dozens of male new born calves.

the urban consumer could pay a tax and we could grow them to 6 months and sell as dog food...how do you think that would go down with the "holier then though urban consumer"
P

You love to paint anyone who questions "Normal" as extremist, it's what your whole argument hinges on.

1) On a dairy farm the calf could have 20 lts of milk FREE from its mother, the farmers are virtually running a loss per litre anyway so it would save them money.
Once the beast is large enough off to market.

As for your 4 corners crap, you know why they haven't done that?
Because everyone knows what goes on & we accept it under the proviso animals live a reasonably decent life(hence the protests against battery hens, sow stalls etc) & is slaughtered in the most human way possible.

Why are you so against these 2 simple things, because it costs more money?
Consumers seem happy to pay extra going on free range eggs & meat & organic vegetables sales.

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Re: Great opinion piece on the greyhound ban
Reply #54 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:37pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 12:52pm:

If Baird wants to us animal cruelty as an excuse to ban things could Steak houses be next?

whats your thoughts on DOG FIGHTING or COCK FIGHTING?....all legal once.

I believe even duck shooting has been banned in some places...

it isnt SPORT to kill something....and or torture something...

I know I dont know...

but I find it hard to believe in the small community that is into greyhound racing.. many

did not know of this cruelty..... it had been going on for a long time.....people knew and said and did nothing to stop it...

they are the same people crying foul now.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 139523 Gender:	Re: Great opinion piece on the greyhound ban Reply #55 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 6:03pm cods wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:37pm: I believe even duck shooting has been banned in some places... WA banned it around a quarter of a century ago. NSW banned it about 20 years ago. QLD banned it approximately ten years ago.
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