salad in wrote on Jul 13
th, 2016 at 8:46am:
Mr Aly is not a muslim. If he were he would be fighting with ISIL.
There is no verse in the koran that allows muslims to relax their harsh views.
Not
strictly true.
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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1467888920/23#23 Quote:
THE TRUTH;Moslems only promote tolerance of minorities, in places where moslems are a minority. !!!!
And, the moslem living here, in Australia, full-well knows, but hides and denies, the fact, ....i.e. the truth,
that the moslem is not permitted by his religion, to be tolerant of people who are not moslems.
And that fact,
is an article of faith, for every moslem.
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Quote:July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels
...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself:
"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them"
(Qur'an 3:28).
In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."
Google
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Quote:A Study in Muslim Doctrine
"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,
insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."
http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine .
salad in wrote on Jul 13
th, 2016 at 8:46am:
There is no mention in the koran of moderate muslims or radical muslims.
There is no manichean type escape clause in the koran.
If you cleave to the alleged religion of islam you are a muslim without any shades of grey, light grey, dark grey etc.
Absolutely true, imo.
e.g.
"Why should ye be divided into two parties about the Hypocrites? Allah hath upset them for their (evil) deeds. Would ye guide those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way? For those whom Allah hath thrown out of the Way, never shalt thou find the Way.
They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades,
seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;-"
Koran 4.88, 89
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The 'Hypocrites' in this example, are moslem backsliders, who are slack about their religion.
e.g.
The devout moslem would say that a person like
Waleed Aly would qualify as a moslem 'Hypocrite' !!
"Thou wilt not find any people who believe in Allah and the Last Day, loving those who resist Allah and His Messenger, even though they were their fathers or their sons, or their brothers, or their kindred...."
Koran 58.22
"O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends,
such are wrong-doers."
Koran 9.23