sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 14
th, 2016 at 3:58pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 14
th, 2016 at 3:00pm:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 13
th, 2016 at 10:44pm:
Can you tell me, what is the view from within Islam which finds it acceptable to flog a woman for being raped? Or acceptable to kill apostates? Or kill journalists for making fun of the 13th century barbarian? It's not about being an outsider looking in, it's about being a person who views the world from a liberal stand point. And Islam is anything but liberal.
There are ignorant people everywhere. Perhaps you'd like to tell us if it's acceptable within Christianity to kill a doctor who performs abortions or to blow up the clinic where they are performed or shoot the person who guards such a clinic?
I have no idea whether or not it is generally acceptable to cane a raped woman within Islam. I just know it isn't acceptable here and I doubt many Muslims in Australia would believe that caning a raped woman would be acceptable.
There are ignorant people everwhere of course. But only islamic states that take the ignorance and actually perform on it. Stop making excuses.
You keep calling explanations, excuses. You don't think you have rather a narrow, moralistic viewpoint on this issue (crime and punishment)?
I'm yet to actually find an Islamic state that actually has caning of a raped woman on it's law books. I'm not talking about Daesh, which everybody (except Daesh, obviously) agrees is loony.
Quote:Punishment of victims
Main articles: Victim blaming, Honor killing, and Slut-shaming
While the practice is condemned as barbaric by many present-day societies[citation needed], some societies punish the victims of rape as well as the perpetrators. According to such cultures, being raped dishonors the victim and, in many cases, the victim's family. In some countries (e.g. Libya, Afghanistan) rape victims are sometimes killed to restore honor to the family's name.[39][40]
In the Shakespeare drama Titus Andronicus, the title character kills his raped, maimed daughter in what he believes to be a mercy killing.
Certain cultures have historically promoted a system of honor, dishonor and shame, which was applied with particular strictness to females. A victim of rape would be considered to have lost her honorable reputation and place in society, a loss of honor which entailed shame on the woman's family group as well. In early ancient Rome, ancient China, and other cultures, a pressure has existed which has led women to commit suicide after becoming victims of rape. The iconic Roman instance is that of Lucretia. Likewise, suicide of female rape victims for reasons of shame is also historically documented in Chinese and Japanese culture.
In countries which outlaw fornication or adultery, rape victims may become subject to these laws (if they cannot prove the rape case and/or if it is revealed they were not virgins at the time of the assault - in the case of unmarried victims).[41]
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Explainations are now "Christians did it!" ? And my viewpoint is not moralistic rather than liberal. And that's the whole point: any person who agrees with democratic liberal values cannot possibly try and explain away medieval ideas of Islam. I mean it's fine to say "I don't agree with universal human rights" but you need to actually say it. And not pretend to believe in them yet then try and "explain" why billion people are denied them, and anyone calling it for what it is must either be moralistic or an Islamaphobe.
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