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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42329	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #210 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 7:03pm sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 4:25pm: I did karnal, and a bigger apologist in Australia one would not find. It's amazing that he actually has a segment called "things we can't talk about" and yet he has never once spoken about the anti liberal values dictated by Islam.
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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #211 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 7:14pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

Read his book karnal. The man is an apologist and pacifist who looks under every stone for an opportunity to blame the US for just about anything.

Well, particularly in the Middle East there is a lot the US can take the blame for. An awful lot.

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He is so irrational that there is a term called "fisking" named specifically to mean "easily refuting a news story with ruthless facts" because that's what people do with Robert Fisk articles: they understand the bias and the complete delusion he has obtained from his many years of covering war.

"Fisking" appears to be a right-wing Blogger's term, not a general journalist's term. Perhaps that is where you are reading most of your criticism of Robert Fisk?

Considering that Robert Fisk, "holds more British and international journalism awards than any other foreign correspondent and has been voted British International Journalist of the Year seven times."[Source] He must be doing something his fellow journalists generally approve of IMO. Roll Eyes

An example, karnal please. I've listened to him on drive too, not much of what you describe. [/quote]

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Reply #212 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 7:38pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 7:02pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Oh FGS, the OLD Testament is the Hebrew "Bible" it existed before Christianity. The teachings of Christ... Christianity exists in the NEW Testament.

Yet the Old Testament is in every copy of the Christian Bible.

There are also minor differences between the Jewish Old Testament and the Christian Old Testament.

Christianity was founded in the New Testament but has had 2,000+ years of development. Christian Theology is a wide and varied subject, addressing topics which weren't even considered 2,000+ years ago. It is what Christianity is. Grendel. Roll Eyes

Aren't you a LW prog and atheist bwian?
Don't rabbit on about stuff you clearly don't understand. Cheesy

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #213 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 7:54pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 7:14pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 5:24pm:

Read his book karnal. The man is an apologist and pacifist who looks under every stone for an opportunity to blame the US for just about anything.

Well, particularly in the Middle East there is a lot the US can take the blame for. An awful lot.

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He is so irrational that there is a term called "fisking" named specifically to mean "easily refuting a news story with ruthless facts" because that's what people do with Robert Fisk articles: they understand the bias and the complete delusion he has obtained from his many years of covering war.

"Fisking" appears to be a right-wing Blogger's term, not a general journalist's term. Perhaps that is where you are reading most of your criticism of Robert Fisk?

Considering that Robert Fisk, "holds more British and international journalism awards than any other foreign correspondent and has been voted British International Journalist of the Year seven times."[Source] He must be doing something his fellow journalists generally approve of IMO. Roll Eyes

An example, karnal please. I've listened to him on drive too, not much of what you describe.

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And what does the US have to be blamed for in the Middle East?

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Reply #214 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 9:17pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

Aly is still an apologist, perhaps that Muslims must stick with muslims creed affects his outlook more than he thinks, perhaps it also skews your outlook also.

Fisk is an idiot at times and absolute idiot. He has rare useful insights, but mostly he's an idiot.

Just because you disagree with someone does not necessarily make them an, "apologist" for a different viewpoint. As Aly and Fisk have first hand experience which you sadly lack rather suggests their viewpoint is a great deal more valid than yours, based as it is on bigotry and prejudice, Grendel. Roll Eyes

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Reply #215 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 9:19pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 7:02pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 4:04pm:

Oh FGS, the OLD Testament is the Hebrew "Bible" it existed before Christianity. The teachings of Christ... Christianity exists in the NEW Testament.

Yet the Old Testament is in every copy of the Christian Bible.

There are also minor differences between the Jewish Old Testament and the Christian Old Testament.

Christianity was founded in the New Testament but has had 2,000+ years of development. Christian Theology is a wide and varied subject, addressing topics which weren't even considered 2,000+ years ago. It is what Christianity is. Grendel. Roll Eyes

Aren't you a LW prog and atheist bwian?

Nope. I tend more to agnosticism after the Brothers beat my belief in God out of me, Grendel.

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Don't rabbit on about stuff you clearly don't understand. Cheesy

Don't talk bullshit, Grendel. I hold a Doctor of Divinity degree, which rather suggests I know a great deal more about religion than you, don't you think? Roll Eyes

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Reply #216 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 9:23pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 7:54pm:

And what does the US have to be blamed for in the Middle East?

The creation and fostering of numerous right-wing authoritarian regimes based on oil-wealth which they aid through their over-dependence on Middle-Eastern oil?

The creation and fostering of a right-wing authoritarian regime in Israel, a nation which they may not be directly responsible for the creation of, they are responsible for it's ongoing existence.

The creation of several anti-Soviet and Terrorist groups during the Cold War which have lingered and now are in open opposition to the US's own stated policy positions in SW Asia and the Middle-East.

That's just a few of their sins... Roll Eyes

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Reply #217 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 9:26pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

As Aly and Fisk have first hand experience which you sadly lack rather suggests their viewpoint is a great deal more valid than yours, based as it is on bigotry and prejudice, Grendel. Roll Eyes

A massive fallacy only an idiot like you could propound.
You just don't know how thick, thick you are, Brian.
That the delight of interacting with you. Keep talking.

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Reply #218 - Jul 15^th, 2016 at 9:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 7:54pm:

And what does the US have to be blamed for in the Middle East?

The creation and fostering of numerous right-wing authoritarian regimes based on oil-wealth which they aid through their over-dependence on Middle-Eastern oil?

The creation and fostering of a right-wing authoritarian regime in Israel, a nation which they may not be directly responsible for the creation of, they are responsible for it's ongoing existence.

The creation of several anti-Soviet and Terrorist groups during the Cold War which have lingered and now are in open opposition to the US's own stated policy positions in SW Asia and the Middle-East.

That's just a few of their sins... Roll Eyes

You pr!ck of an idiot.

Oil- it's easier to simply buy it - no need to foster anything. There is a market for oil, you know.

Israel - well, what can I say? If only all the Muslim Arab countries around the Middle East were as liberal and tolerant as Israel. Until they are, you can simply f CVk orf with your stupid insinuation about Israel. You hear? F Vck orf.

You are siding with the nastiest bastard countries to spite the single liberal democracy in the Middle East. Are not ashamed of yourself? You should be.

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Reply #219 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:14pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 7:54pm:

And what does the US have to be blamed for in the Middle East?

The creation and fostering of numerous right-wing authoritarian regimes based on oil-wealth which they aid through their over-dependence on Middle-Eastern oil?

The creation and fostering of a right-wing authoritarian regime in Israel, a nation which they may not be directly responsible for the creation of, they are responsible for it's ongoing existence.

The creation of several anti-Soviet and Terrorist groups during the Cold War which have lingered and now are in open opposition to the US's own stated policy positions in SW Asia and the Middle-East.

That's just a few of their sins... Roll Eyes

. I love that you actually feel you can call others ignorant. Anyway, Let me entertain your propositions for this purpose and let me ask you, let's say it's true that Te US "created" terrorist groups and authoritarian governments, is it also the uS that told them all to follow interpretations of Islam that are anti liberal in every way? Or did that part come about because Islam allows itself to be interpreted in such a manner that denies people their basic human rights?

And also - do you believe Israel has a right to exist as a state?

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Reply #220 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:17pm

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You are siding with the nastiest bastard countries to spite the single liberal democracy in the Middle East. Are not ashamed of yourself? You should be.

Take Israel out of the ME and what would we have?

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And also - do you believe Israel has a right to exist as a state?

I do. Just not in Arabia.

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Reply #221 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:28pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 9:19pm:

Don't talk bullshit, Grendel. I hold a Doctor of Divinity degree, which rather suggests I know a great deal more about religion than you, don't you think? Roll Eyes

How much did you pay for it? Or did you get one of the fee ones online? Doctor of Divinity!!! You stupid, pompous ass.

http://www.ministers-best-friend.com/Free-Doctor-of-Divinity-Degree-for-WHY-do-w...

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Reply #222 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:28pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

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You are siding with the nastiest bastard countries to spite the single liberal democracy in the Middle East. Are not ashamed of yourself? You should be.

Take Israel out of the ME and what would we have?

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And also - do you believe Israel has a right to exist as a state?

I do. Just not in Arabia.

Well, lucky Israel then - it's not in Arabia.

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Reply #223 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:37pm

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

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You are siding with the nastiest bastard countries to spite the single liberal democracy in the Middle East. Are not ashamed of yourself? You should be.

Take Israel out of the ME and what would we have?

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And also - do you believe Israel has a right to exist as a state?

I do. Just not in Arabia.

Well, lucky Israel then - it's not in Arabia.

It is so far as I am concerned and we blew it in 1948 when we plonked it there.

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Reply #224 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:44pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 7:54pm:

And what does the US have to be blamed for in the Middle East?

The creation and fostering of numerous right-wing authoritarian regimes based on oil-wealth which they aid through their over-dependence on Middle-Eastern oil?

The creation and fostering of a right-wing authoritarian regime in Israel, a nation which they may not be directly responsible for the creation of, they are responsible for it's ongoing existence.

The creation of several anti-Soviet and Terrorist groups during the Cold War which have lingered and now are in open opposition to the US's own stated policy positions in SW Asia and the Middle-East.

That's just a few of their sins... Roll Eyes

. I love that you actually feel you can call others ignorant. Anyway, Let me entertain your propositions for this purpose and let me ask you, let's say it's true that Te US "created" terrorist groups and authoritarian governments, is it also the uS that told them all to follow interpretations of Islam that are anti liberal in every way? Or did that part come about because Islam allows itself to be interpreted in such a manner that denies people their basic human rights?

Look up the history of the Taliban. It is primarily a creation of the CIA and the Pakistani ISI. They gave them free copies of the K'ran and encouraged them to read and follow it's example as a means to liberate Afghanistan. The CIA has a long history of using religion to motivate it's various resistance groups in Vietnam/Laos/Tibet/Italy and the already mentioned Afghanistan.

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And also - do you believe Israel has a right to exist as a state?

I am on record here as supporting it's existence as a state. What is done cannot easily be undone. I just wish it had been established as a Multicultural/Multireligious state, rather than purely a Jewish one. Israel was the creation of the Zionists who sold the West the lie of "a people for an empty land". It wasn't empty, the Palestinians lived there. Roll Eyes

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