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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #225 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:47pm

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

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You are siding with the nastiest bastard countries to spite the single liberal democracy in the Middle East. Are not ashamed of yourself? You should be.

Take Israel out of the ME and what would we have?

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And also - do you believe Israel has a right to exist as a state?

I do. Just not in Arabia.

Well, lucky Israel then - it's not in Arabia.

If you go back 2000 years which is the justification for the existence of Israel then it was called Arabia....I don't like to speak for Aussie but I presume that was his meaning!!!

Huh

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #226 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:51pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:37pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

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You are siding with the nastiest bastard countries to spite the single liberal democracy in the Middle East. Are not ashamed of yourself? You should be.

Take Israel out of the ME and what would we have?

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And also - do you believe Israel has a right to exist as a state?

I do. Just not in Arabia.

Well, lucky Israel then - it's not in Arabia.

It is so far as I am concerned and we blew it in 1948 when we plonked it there.

They grew there, they plonked there, no?

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #227 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:53pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:47pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

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You are siding with the nastiest bastard countries to spite the single liberal democracy in the Middle East. Are not ashamed of yourself? You should be.

Take Israel out of the ME and what would we have?

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And also - do you believe Israel has a right to exist as a state?

I do. Just not in Arabia.

Well, lucky Israel then - it's not in Arabia.

If you go back 2000 years which is the justification for the existence of Israel then it was called Arabia....I don't like to speak for Aussie but I presume that was his meaning!!!

Huh

He knows exactly what I mean. He is being cute is all, but, I have made it clearer now anyway.

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Aussie Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 38847 Gender:	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #228 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:55pm Quote: They grew there, / they plonked there, no? Yeas, and it's the plonkers I have offered "Tassie" to.
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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #229 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:34pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

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You are siding with the nastiest bastard countries to spite the single liberal democracy in the Middle East. Are not ashamed of yourself? You should be.

Take Israel out of the ME and what would we have?

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And also - do you believe Israel has a right to exist as a state?

I do. Just not in Arabia.

Oh and why is that? Because some extremist fascists got upset and you're prepared to negotiate with them?

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #230 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:35pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

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You are siding with the nastiest bastard countries to spite the single liberal democracy in the Middle East. Are not ashamed of yourself? You should be.

Take Israel out of the ME and what would we have?

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And also - do you believe Israel has a right to exist as a state?

I do. Just not in Arabia.

And if we take israel out we are still left with the nastiest bastard fascist regimes in the ME. Or do you think they'll all become democratic instantly? Grin

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Reply #231 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:37pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:44pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 7:54pm:

And what does the US have to be blamed for in the Middle East?

The creation and fostering of numerous right-wing authoritarian regimes based on oil-wealth which they aid through their over-dependence on Middle-Eastern oil?

The creation and fostering of a right-wing authoritarian regime in Israel, a nation which they may not be directly responsible for the creation of, they are responsible for it's ongoing existence.

The creation of several anti-Soviet and Terrorist groups during the Cold War which have lingered and now are in open opposition to the US's own stated policy positions in SW Asia and the Middle-East.

That's just a few of their sins... Roll Eyes

. I love that you actually feel you can call others ignorant. Anyway, Let me entertain your propositions for this purpose and let me ask you, let's say it's true that Te US "created" terrorist groups and authoritarian governments, is it also the uS that told them all to follow interpretations of Islam that are anti liberal in every way? Or did that part come about because Islam allows itself to be interpreted in such a manner that denies people their basic human rights?

Look up the history of the Taliban. It is primarily a creation of the CIA and the Pakistani ISI. They gave them free copies of the K'ran and encouraged them to read and follow it's example as a means to liberate Afghanistan. The CIA has a long history of using religion to motivate it's various resistance groups in Vietnam/Laos/Tibet/Italy and the already mentioned Afghanistan.

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And also - do you believe Israel has a right to exist as a state?

I am on record here as supporting it's existence as a state. What is done cannot easily be undone. I just wish it had been established as a Multicultural/Multireligious state, rather than purely a Jewish one. Israel was the creation of the Zionists who sold the West the lie of "a people for an empty land". It wasn't empty, the Palestinians lived there. Roll Eyes

Israel is a secular state, so I'm not exactly sure what the hell youre talking about when it comes to Israel not being multicultural or multi religious.

And thank you for showing that it is in fact the ideas of Islam that cause the fascist regimes. It doesn't matter who gave people the Koran, what matters is that after reading it they went nuts and created a crazy state founded on the basis of the religion. That's the actual cause and the actual problem, that Islam allows itself to be interpreted to such a fascist ideology.

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Aussie Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 38847 Gender:	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #232 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:38pm Quote: And if we take israel out we are still left with the nastiest bastard fascist regimes in the ME. Yeas, I know, and I don't care. Do you?
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Reply #233 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:41pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

Aly is still an apologist, perhaps that Muslims must stick with muslims creed affects his outlook more than he thinks, perhaps it also skews your outlook also.

Fisk is an idiot at times and absolute idiot. He has rare useful insights, but mostly he's an idiot.

Just because you disagree with someone does not necessarily make them an, "apologist" for a different viewpoint. As Aly and Fisk have first hand experience which you sadly lack rather suggests their viewpoint is a great deal more valid than yours, based as it is on bigotry and prejudice, Grendel. Roll Eyes

You mean like you don't have first hand experience of most of what happens in the world bwian?
Like you have no first hand experience with hanson or One nation...
let me know if you need help getting that foot out of your mouth.
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oh and bwian, keep your bigotry and prejudice to yourself, I don't have any, TROLL.... Cheesy

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #234 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:45pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:38pm:

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And if we take israel out we are still left with the nastiest bastard fascist regimes in the ME.

Yeas, I know, and I don't care. Do you?

Anyone person believing in universal human rights should. Israel has nothing to do with the fundamentalism that exists in the middle east.

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Aussie Gold Member Online OzPolitic Posts: 38847 Gender:	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #235 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:50pm Quote: Anyone person believing in universal human rights should. Meanwhile, leaving Utopia for the moment, in breaking news, back in the real World......
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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #236 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:55pm Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:50pm: Quote: Anyone person believing in universal human rights should. Meanwhile, leaving Utopia for the moment, in breaking news, back in the real World...... You accept fascism?
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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #237 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:56pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:38pm:

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And if we take israel out we are still left with the nastiest bastard fascist regimes in the ME.

Yeas, I know, and I don't care. Do you?

Anyone person believing in universal human rights should. Israel has nothing to do with the fundamentalism that exists in the middle east.

The state of Israel is predicated on a 6000 year old prophecy.

You don't think that's fundamentalist?

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #238 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 7:03pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:55pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:50pm:

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Anyone person believing in universal human rights should.

Meanwhile, leaving Utopia for the moment, in breaking news, back in the real World......

You accept fascism?

There's that absolutism again, Alevine. Or would you prefer fundamentalism?

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #239 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 7:22pm BTW kiddies....
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