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Reply #270 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:42pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:37pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:44pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 9:23pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 7:54pm:

And what does the US have to be blamed for in the Middle East?

The creation and fostering of numerous right-wing authoritarian regimes based on oil-wealth which they aid through their over-dependence on Middle-Eastern oil?

The creation and fostering of a right-wing authoritarian regime in Israel, a nation which they may not be directly responsible for the creation of, they are responsible for it's ongoing existence.

The creation of several anti-Soviet and Terrorist groups during the Cold War which have lingered and now are in open opposition to the US's own stated policy positions in SW Asia and the Middle-East.

That's just a few of their sins... Roll Eyes

. I love that you actually feel you can call others ignorant. Anyway, Let me entertain your propositions for this purpose and let me ask you, let's say it's true that Te US "created" terrorist groups and authoritarian governments, is it also the uS that told them all to follow interpretations of Islam that are anti liberal in every way? Or did that part come about because Islam allows itself to be interpreted in such a manner that denies people their basic human rights?

Look up the history of the Taliban. It is primarily a creation of the CIA and the Pakistani ISI. They gave them free copies of the K'ran and encouraged them to read and follow it's example as a means to liberate Afghanistan. The CIA has a long history of using religion to motivate it's various resistance groups in Vietnam/Laos/Tibet/Italy and the already mentioned Afghanistan.

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And also - do you believe Israel has a right to exist as a state?

I am on record here as supporting it's existence as a state. What is done cannot easily be undone. I just wish it had been established as a Multicultural/Multireligious state, rather than purely a Jewish one. Israel was the creation of the Zionists who sold the West the lie of "a people for an empty land". It wasn't empty, the Palestinians lived there. Roll Eyes

Israel is a secular state, so I'm not exactly sure what the hell youre talking about when it comes to Israel not being multicultural or multi religious.

The basis of Israeli citizenship is being a Jew. It is a Jewish state. Muslims and Christians are treated as a minority and suffer accordingly. Read up about the Israeli nationality law and get back to us, OK? Roll Eyes

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And thank you for showing that it is in fact the ideas of Islam that cause the fascist regimes.

*SIGH*, do you even know what "fascism" is? Roll Eyes

Where did the Taliban get their Q'rans from? The CIA and ISI. Therefore, ultimately the fault lies with the US and Pakistani governments.

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It doesn't matter who gave people the Koran, what matters is that after reading it they went nuts and created a crazy state founded on the basis of the religion. That's the actual cause and the actual problem, that Islam allows itself to be interpreted to such a fascist ideology.

You mean like the Israelis have? I mean, founding their state on the basis of membership of the Jewish faith.

What the Q'ran did, was inspire them when interpreted in a fundamentalist manner. Guess who established and funded the Madrassahs where that fundamentalism was taught? The CIA and the ISI. Roll Eyes

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #271 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:43pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

Aly is still an apologist, perhaps that Muslims must stick with muslims creed affects his outlook more than he thinks, perhaps it also skews your outlook also.

Fisk is an idiot at times and absolute idiot. He has rare useful insights, but mostly he's an idiot.

Just because you disagree with someone does not necessarily make them an, "apologist" for a different viewpoint. As Aly and Fisk have first hand experience which you sadly lack rather suggests their viewpoint is a great deal more valid than yours, based as it is on bigotry and prejudice, Grendel. Roll Eyes

You mean like you don't have first hand experience of most of what happens in the world bwian?

In the Middle East? Within Islam? No. Do you, Grendel? Roll Eyes

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #272 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:45pm Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 7:31pm: Do I care what some alleged Book said about something more than 3,000 years ago, Grendel? You should.... it will stop you being totally ignorant, so far that is all I've seen here re the Mandate and the tribes of the ME.
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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #273 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:45pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:38pm:

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And if we take israel out we are still left with the nastiest bastard fascist regimes in the ME.

Yeas, I know, and I don't care. Do you?

Anyone person believing in universal human rights should. Israel has nothing to do with the fundamentalism that exists in the middle east.

Really? Yet the Fundamentalists always point to Israel as their bête noire... Roll Eyes

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Reply #274 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:43pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

Aly is still an apologist, perhaps that Muslims must stick with muslims creed affects his outlook more than he thinks, perhaps it also skews your outlook also.

Fisk is an idiot at times and absolute idiot. He has rare useful insights, but mostly he's an idiot.

Just because you disagree with someone does not necessarily make them an, "apologist" for a different viewpoint. As Aly and Fisk have first hand experience which you sadly lack rather suggests their viewpoint is a great deal more valid than yours, based as it is on bigotry and prejudice, Grendel. Roll Eyes

You mean like you don't have first hand experience of most of what happens in the world bwian?

In the Middle East? Within Islam? No. Do you, Grendel? Roll Eyes

wassup to frightened to admit you were wrong yet again bwian... too much of a bigoted hypocrite eh bwian... of course you are. Don't waste my time... Grin

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #275 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:48pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:38pm:

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And if we take israel out we are still left with the nastiest bastard fascist regimes in the ME.

Yeas, I know, and I don't care. Do you?

Anyone person believing in universal human rights should. Israel has nothing to do with the fundamentalism that exists in the middle east.

Really? Yet the Fundamentalists always point to Israel as their bête noire... Roll Eyes

And then go and kill anyone and everyone anyway. Aha.

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #276 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:48pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

Do I care what some alleged Book said about something more than 3,000 years ago, Grendel?

You should.... it will stop you being totally ignorant, so far that is all I've seen here re the Mandate and the tribes of the ME.

What are you saying, Grendel. Is it that because some Book allegedly written 3000 years ago (did they actually write anything then) granted some Land to some Mob, that the descendants of said Mob (how do you track that FFS) have inalienable rights to said Land over more recent comers?

Is that it?

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #277 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:50pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

You don't seem to understand what is relevant or not relevant. The point is, Islamist fundamentalism in today's world does not exist because israel exists. It exists because the ideas can be interpreted and are being interpreted in such a manner. Israel not existing would not see the collapse of the Iranian Islamist regime. It would not see the collapse of Saudi Arabian regime. Or any of the North African regimes. Hamas would still impose its fundamentalist ideals on the palestineans. All of this would still occur. So sure, Israel might have been formed on the basis of a fundamentalist idea but what does that have anything to do with how Islam is??? Why is it so hard for you thick headed regressives to comprehend that the problem are the ideas and not the west or Israel? Stop coming up with such lame ass excuses karnal!

The PLO would not exist, except for the creation of Israel.
Hamas would not exist, except for the creation of Israel.
Hisballah would not exist, except for the creation of Israel.
al-Qaeda most probably would not exist, except for the creation if Israel.

So, four of the world's worst Terrorist organisations were created in reaction to what? The creation of the state of Israel.

You really do need some lessons in cause and effect, don't you? Roll Eyes

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96434	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #279 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:54pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:42pm: You mean like the Israelis have? I mean, founding their state on the basis of membership of the Jewish faith. It's not a faith, Brian, it's a blood covenant. Not racist, of course. Blood covenants are not a race.
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Reply #280 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:55pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:48pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 7:31pm:

Do I care what some alleged Book said about something more than 3,000 years ago, Grendel?

You should.... it will stop you being totally ignorant, so far that is all I've seen here re the Mandate and the tribes of the ME.

What are you saying, Grendel. Is it that because some Book allegedly written 3000 years ago (did they actually write anything then) granted some Land to some Mob, that the descendants of said Mob (how do you track that FFS) have inalienable rights to said Land over more recent comers?

Is that it?

maps and writing have existed for 1000s of years Aussie... didn't you know. History exists through those maps and writings. Cheesy

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #281 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:57pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:43pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:41pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 9:17pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 5:56pm:

Aly is still an apologist, perhaps that Muslims must stick with muslims creed affects his outlook more than he thinks, perhaps it also skews your outlook also.

Fisk is an idiot at times and absolute idiot. He has rare useful insights, but mostly he's an idiot.

Just because you disagree with someone does not necessarily make them an, "apologist" for a different viewpoint. As Aly and Fisk have first hand experience which you sadly lack rather suggests their viewpoint is a great deal more valid than yours, based as it is on bigotry and prejudice, Grendel. Roll Eyes

You mean like you don't have first hand experience of most of what happens in the world bwian?

In the Middle East? Within Islam? No. Do you, Grendel? Roll Eyes

wassup to frightened to admit you were wrong yet again bwian... too much of a bigoted hypocrite eh bwian... of course you are. Don't waste my time... Grin

Still unwilling to answer the questions about Pauline and her PHONies, Grendel?

So, how many members did PHON have, when Pauline was convicted of defrauding the AEC? Three or the required five hundred members, that the AEC demanded to register it as a political party, Grendel? Roll Eyes

So, how much personal experience have you got of the Middle East and Islam, Grendel?

I know I keep asking the difficult questions, don't I, Grendel? Roll Eyes

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #282 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:58pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:38pm:

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And if we take israel out we are still left with the nastiest bastard fascist regimes in the ME.

Yeas, I know, and I don't care. Do you?

Anyone person believing in universal human rights should. Israel has nothing to do with the fundamentalism that exists in the middle east.

Really? Yet the Fundamentalists always point to Israel as their bête noire... Roll Eyes

And then go and kill anyone and everyone anyway. Aha.

You obviously understand little of the strategic thinking behind Terrorism, don't you? Roll Eyes

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38846 Gender:	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #283 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:59pm Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:52pm: https://sharinhislove.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/israelite-kingdomsauldavidsolo... Taken from a Jewish website, yeas Grendel? Were they drawing aerial maps 3000 years ago? When was that map drawn Grendel?
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Reply #284 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:01pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:42pm:

You mean like the Israelis have? I mean, founding their state on the basis of membership of the Jewish faith.

It's not a faith, Brian, it's a blood covenant.

Not racist, of course. Blood covenants are not a race.

Muslims wanting an ummah - good.
Jews wanting a Jewish state - sinister blood covenant.

No wonder you clowns are not taken seriously. You are idiots with internetz access.

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