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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96434	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #300 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:18pm Quote: Do you, Grendel have more first hand experience of the Middle East and Islam than Walid Aly and Robert Fisk? Really? He might, Brian. Grendel is unbiased, you know. For all we know he lives in Beirut. One thing's for sure, Grendel's not saying. I guess we'll never know.
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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #301 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:18pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:37pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

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You are siding with the nastiest bastard countries to spite the single liberal democracy in the Middle East. Are not ashamed of yourself? You should be.

Take Israel out of the ME and what would we have?

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And also - do you believe Israel has a right to exist as a state?

I do. Just not in Arabia.

Well, lucky Israel then - it's not in Arabia.

It is so far as I am concerned and we blew it in 1948 when we plonked it there.

Well, geography is not the only subject you fail.

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #302 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:50pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

You don't seem to understand what is relevant or not relevant. The point is, Islamist fundamentalism in today's world does not exist because israel exists. It exists because the ideas can be interpreted and are being interpreted in such a manner. Israel not existing would not see the collapse of the Iranian Islamist regime. It would not see the collapse of Saudi Arabian regime. Or any of the North African regimes. Hamas would still impose its fundamentalist ideals on the palestineans. All of this would still occur. So sure, Israel might have been formed on the basis of a fundamentalist idea but what does that have anything to do with how Islam is??? Why is it so hard for you thick headed regressives to comprehend that the problem are the ideas and not the west or Israel? Stop coming up with such lame ass excuses karnal!

The PLO would not exist, except for the creation of Israel.
Hamas would not exist, except for the creation of Israel.
Hisballah would not exist, except for the creation of Israel.
al-Qaeda most probably would not exist, except for the creation if Israel.

So, four of the world's worst Terrorist organisations were created in reaction to what? The creation of the state of Israel.

You really do need some lessons in cause and effect, don't you? Roll Eyes

So you think they'll cease to exist the moment Israel ceases to exist? Also, why take in such fundamentalist ideas if their only problem is Israel? They believe their are being pure with Islam. They want that purity in their lands. It is this interpretation that is the problem and their actual cause, not Israel.

The point that you're trying to obscure is that the creation of the state of Israel had unfortunate effects on Muslim society in the Middle East. It provoked the creation of at least three, if not four major Terrorist organisations. No Israel, no Terrorist organisations. Funny that. Cause and effect. Roll Eyes

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #303 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:20pm

philperth2010 wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:47pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:17pm:

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You are siding with the nastiest bastard countries to spite the single liberal democracy in the Middle East. Are not ashamed of yourself? You should be.

Take Israel out of the ME and what would we have?

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And also - do you believe Israel has a right to exist as a state?

I do. Just not in Arabia.

Well, lucky Israel then - it's not in Arabia.

If you go back 2000 years which is the justification for the existence of Israel then it was called Arabia....I don't like to speak for Aussie but I presume that was his meaning!!!

Huh

You are as ignorant as Aussie. No surprise there.

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #304 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:22pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:17pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:08pm:

It must be that either you have a comprehension problem, or just don't know how to read. Yes, Jewish people can become citizens of Israel through right of return. But that's not the only method a person has to being naturalised, and citizenship is provided for people with permanent residency regardless of their religion. Now, let me ask you, can a Jewish person ever become a citizen in Saudi Arabia? Iran? Can they even enter the Gaza Strip without the high chance of being stoned to death by some Hamas terrorist?

Ever consider that is the right of those nations to create their citizenship laws how they wish?

I personally, don't have a problem with the Israelis creating their citizenship on the basis of their religious beliefs BUT I do have a problem when an ignorant person such as yourself claims the reverse.

You can become a citizen of Israel automatically if you are a Jew. If you are Christian or a Muslim or an atheist, you have to apply to become a citizen. Even if you were born in Israel. So, there is no automatic citizenship, except for Jews. Doesn't seem particularly fair, now does it? Roll Eyes

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1468348328/215#215 date=1468581599]

Don't talk bullshit, Grendel. I hold a Doctor of Divinity degree, which rather suggests I know a great deal more about religion than you, don't you think? Roll Eyes

How much did you pay for it? Or did you get one of the fee ones online? Doctor of Divinity!!! You stupid, pompous ass.

http://www.ministers-best-friend.com/Free-Doctor-of-Divinity-Degree-for-WHY-do-w...

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #305 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:32pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:50pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

You don't seem to understand what is relevant or not relevant. The point is, Islamist fundamentalism in today's world does not exist because israel exists. It exists because the ideas can be interpreted and are being interpreted in such a manner. Israel not existing would not see the collapse of the Iranian Islamist regime. It would not see the collapse of Saudi Arabian regime. Or any of the North African regimes. Hamas would still impose its fundamentalist ideals on the palestineans. All of this would still occur. So sure, Israel might have been formed on the basis of a fundamentalist idea but what does that have anything to do with how Islam is??? Why is it so hard for you thick headed regressives to comprehend that the problem are the ideas and not the west or Israel? Stop coming up with such lame ass excuses karnal!

The PLO would not exist, except for the creation of Israel.
Hamas would not exist, except for the creation of Israel.
Hisballah would not exist, except for the creation of Israel.
al-Qaeda most probably would not exist, except for the creation if Israel.

So, four of the world's worst Terrorist organisations were created in reaction to what? The creation of the state of Israel.

You really do need some lessons in cause and effect, don't you? Roll Eyes

So you think they'll cease to exist the moment Israel ceases to exist? Also, why take in such fundamentalist ideas if their only problem is Israel? They believe their are being pure with Islam. They want that purity in their lands. It is this interpretation that is the problem and their actual cause, not Israel.

The point that you're trying to obscure is that the creation of the state of Israel had unfortunate effects on Muslim society in the Middle East. It provoked the creation of at least three, if not four major Terrorist organisations. No Israel, no Terrorist organisations. Funny that. Cause and effect. Roll Eyes

The point is that the terrorist organisations aims are much more. No ideas of Islam, no terrorist organisations. Funny that. Given the amount of terrorist organisations that are all based on the ideas of Islam, not to mention all the fascist states, it is very easy to conclude that if not Hamas then simply one more. While these ideas keep being interpreted as they are islamic terrorism will continue.

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #306 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:35pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

The point that you're trying to obscure is that the creation of the state of Israel had unfortunate effects on Muslim society in the Middle East. It provoked the creation of at least three, if not four major Terrorist organisations. No Israel, no Terrorist organisations. Funny that. Cause and effect. Roll Eyes

Oh!!!!! Musn't provoke irrational savages because they will react like irrational savages!!!

Good one Brian, it;s so you!!! Stupid, weak, idiotic, despicable.

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #307 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:36pm

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

The point that you're trying to obscure is that the creation of the state of Israel had unfortunate effects on Muslim society in the Middle East. It provoked the creation of at least three, if not four major Terrorist organisations. No Israel, no Terrorist organisations. Funny that. Cause and effect. Roll Eyes

Oh!!!!! Musn't provoke irrational savages because they will react like irrational savages!!!

Good one Brian, it;s so you!!! Stupid, weak, idiotic, despicable.

And racist, Frank. Don't forget that.

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #308 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:36pm

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

The point that you're trying to obscure is that the creation of the state of Israel had unfortunate effects on Muslim society in the Middle East. It provoked the creation of at least three, if not four major Terrorist organisations. No Israel, no Terrorist organisations. Funny that. Cause and effect. Roll Eyes

Oh!!!!! Musn't provoke irrational savages because they will react like irrational savages!!!

Good one Brian, it;s so you!!! Stupid, weak, idiotic, despicable.

It's regressive leftism at its best

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #309 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:38pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:36pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

The point that you're trying to obscure is that the creation of the state of Israel had unfortunate effects on Muslim society in the Middle East. It provoked the creation of at least three, if not four major Terrorist organisations. No Israel, no Terrorist organisations. Funny that. Cause and effect. Roll Eyes

Oh!!!!! Musn't provoke irrational savages because they will react like irrational savages!!!

Good one Brian, it;s so you!!! Stupid, weak, idiotic, despicable.

And racist, Frank. Don't forget that.

Your level of pacifism is definitely rascist because you don't ignore violence against women in Australia, but to talk about violence against women in Islam is apparently islamaphobic.

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #310 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:41pm

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:22pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:17pm:

[quote author=alevine link=1468348328/288#288 date=1468670892]
It must be that either you have a comprehension problem, or just don't know how to read. Yes, Jewish people can become citizens of Israel through right of return. But that's not the only method a person has to being naturalised, and citizenship is provided for people with permanent residency regardless of their religion. Now, let me ask you, can a Jewish person ever become a citizen in Saudi Arabia? Iran? Can they even enter the Gaza Strip without the high chance of being stoned to death by some Hamas terrorist?

Ever consider that is the right of those nations to create their citizenship laws how they wish?

I personally, don't have a problem with the Israelis creating their citizenship on the basis of their religious beliefs BUT I do have a problem when an ignorant person such as yourself claims the reverse.

You can become a citizen of Israel automatically if you are a Jew. If you are Christian or a Muslim or an atheist, you have to apply to become a citizen. Even if you were born in Israel. So, there is no automatic citizenship, except for Jews. Doesn't seem particularly fair, now does it? Roll Eyes

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 4:28pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 9:19pm:

Don't talk bullshit, Grendel. I hold a Doctor of Divinity degree, which rather suggests I know a great deal more about religion than you, don't you think? Roll Eyes

How much did you pay for it? Or did you get one of the fee ones online? Doctor of Divinity!!! You stupid, pompous ass.

http://www.ministers-best-friend.com/Free-Doctor-of-Divinity-Degree-for-WHY-do-w...

Ha ha ha! Absolute gold!

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #311 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:42pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:36pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

The point that you're trying to obscure is that the creation of the state of Israel had unfortunate effects on Muslim society in the Middle East. It provoked the creation of at least three, if not four major Terrorist organisations. No Israel, no Terrorist organisations. Funny that. Cause and effect. Roll Eyes

Oh!!!!! Musn't provoke irrational savages because they will react like irrational savages!!!

Good one Brian, it;s so you!!! Stupid, weak, idiotic, despicable.

And racist, Frank. Don't forget that.

Oh and anti-Semitic. Cheesy

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #312 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:43pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:36pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

The point that you're trying to obscure is that the creation of the state of Israel had unfortunate effects on Muslim society in the Middle East. It provoked the creation of at least three, if not four major Terrorist organisations. No Israel, no Terrorist organisations. Funny that. Cause and effect. Roll Eyes

Oh!!!!! Musn't provoke irrational savages because they will react like irrational savages!!!

Good one Brian, it;s so you!!! Stupid, weak, idiotic, despicable.

And racist, Frank. Don't forget that.

Your level of pacifism is definitely rascist because you don't ignore violence against women in Australia, but to talk about violence against women in Islam is apparently islamaphobic.

Is it?

Well that's that then. We're nothing more than awful racists, Alevine.

Typical.

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #313 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:43pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:36pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

The point that you're trying to obscure is that the creation of the state of Israel had unfortunate effects on Muslim society in the Middle East. It provoked the creation of at least three, if not four major Terrorist organisations. No Israel, no Terrorist organisations. Funny that. Cause and effect. Roll Eyes

Oh!!!!! Musn't provoke irrational savages because they will react like irrational savages!!!

Good one Brian, it;s so you!!! Stupid, weak, idiotic, despicable.

It's regressive leftism at its best

And regressive.

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #314 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:45pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:42pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:36pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

The point that you're trying to obscure is that the creation of the state of Israel had unfortunate effects on Muslim society in the Middle East. It provoked the creation of at least three, if not four major Terrorist organisations. No Israel, no Terrorist organisations. Funny that. Cause and effect. Roll Eyes

Oh!!!!! Musn't provoke irrational savages because they will react like irrational savages!!!

Good one Brian, it;s so you!!! Stupid, weak, idiotic, despicable.

And racist, Frank. Don't forget that.

Oh and anti-Semitic. Cheesy

That too.

Pathetic, TROLLS, just pathetic.

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