Australian Politics Forum - The truth about "islamaphobia"

Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #315 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:48pm Wonder where Phil got the Arabia idea from...? Was never Arabia. But Israelites and Judeans lived there...
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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #316 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:51pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:32pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:11pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:50pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 7:38pm:

You don't seem to understand what is relevant or not relevant. The point is, Islamist fundamentalism in today's world does not exist because israel exists. It exists because the ideas can be interpreted and are being interpreted in such a manner. Israel not existing would not see the collapse of the Iranian Islamist regime. It would not see the collapse of Saudi Arabian regime. Or any of the North African regimes. Hamas would still impose its fundamentalist ideals on the palestineans. All of this would still occur. So sure, Israel might have been formed on the basis of a fundamentalist idea but what does that have anything to do with how Islam is??? Why is it so hard for you thick headed regressives to comprehend that the problem are the ideas and not the west or Israel? Stop coming up with such lame ass excuses karnal!

The PLO would not exist, except for the creation of Israel.
Hamas would not exist, except for the creation of Israel.
Hisballah would not exist, except for the creation of Israel.
al-Qaeda most probably would not exist, except for the creation if Israel.

So, four of the world's worst Terrorist organisations were created in reaction to what? The creation of the state of Israel.

You really do need some lessons in cause and effect, don't you? Roll Eyes

So you think they'll cease to exist the moment Israel ceases to exist? Also, why take in such fundamentalist ideas if their only problem is Israel? They believe their are being pure with Islam. They want that purity in their lands. It is this interpretation that is the problem and their actual cause, not Israel.

The point that you're trying to obscure is that the creation of the state of Israel had unfortunate effects on Muslim society in the Middle East. It provoked the creation of at least three, if not four major Terrorist organisations. No Israel, no Terrorist organisations. Funny that. Cause and effect. Roll Eyes

The point is that the terrorist organisations aims are much more. No ideas of Islam, no terrorist organisations. Funny that. Given the amount of terrorist organisations that are all based on the ideas of Islam, not to mention all the fascist states, it is very easy to conclude that if not Hamas then simply one more. While these ideas keep being interpreted as they are islamic terrorism will continue.

Do you know? I agree completely.

But don't worry, Alevine. This doesn't make you a racist.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #317 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:58pm You sound like an apologist for the Muslims Bwian... its always someone elses fault... and bwian thinks its Israels fault.
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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #318 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:03pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:36pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

The point that you're trying to obscure is that the creation of the state of Israel had unfortunate effects on Muslim society in the Middle East. It provoked the creation of at least three, if not four major Terrorist organisations. No Israel, no Terrorist organisations. Funny that. Cause and effect. Roll Eyes

Oh!!!!! Musn't provoke irrational savages because they will react like irrational savages!!!

Good one Brian, it;s so you!!! Stupid, weak, idiotic, despicable.

And racist, Frank. Don't forget that.

Your level of pacifism is definitely rascist because you don't ignore violence against women in Australia, but to talk about violence against women in Islam is apparently islamaphobic.

No it's not. talk about it all the time.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96434	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #319 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:08pm Yes, Mother, but you're supposed to blame Islam as well. If you don't, you're racist.
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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #320 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:08pm

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

The point that you're trying to obscure is that the creation of the state of Israel had unfortunate effects on Muslim society in the Middle East. It provoked the creation of at least three, if not four major Terrorist organisations. No Israel, no Terrorist organisations. Funny that. Cause and effect. Roll Eyes

Oh!!!!! Musn't provoke irrational savages because they will react like irrational savages!!!

Good one Brian, it;s so you!!! Stupid, weak, idiotic, despicable.

Tel Aviv was founded as a jewish city in 1908, how many years was that before the creation of Israel and where is it located bwian?

Muslims have been trying to evict the jews from that part of the world for 1400 years, perhaps their impotence has led to their butthurt.
sunnah.com/search/?q=expel+jews

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #321 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:14pm

mothra wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:03pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:38pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:36pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:35pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:19pm:

The point that you're trying to obscure is that the creation of the state of Israel had unfortunate effects on Muslim society in the Middle East. It provoked the creation of at least three, if not four major Terrorist organisations. No Israel, no Terrorist organisations. Funny that. Cause and effect. Roll Eyes

Oh!!!!! Musn't provoke irrational savages because they will react like irrational savages!!!

Good one Brian, it;s so you!!! Stupid, weak, idiotic, despicable.

And racist, Frank. Don't forget that.

Your level of pacifism is definitely rascist because you don't ignore violence against women in Australia, but to talk about violence against women in Islam is apparently islamaphobic.

Yeh but you don't look at the real causes, and use bad data, mothra. That much we know.

No it's not. talk about it all the time.

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #322 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:44pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:32pm:

The point is that the terrorist organisations aims are much more. No ideas of Islam, no terrorist organisations. Funny that. Given the amount of terrorist organisations that are all based on the ideas of Islam, not to mention all the fascist states, it is very easy to conclude that if not Hamas then simply one more. While these ideas keep being interpreted as they are islamic terrorism will continue.

And yet it was the creation of the State of Israel which brought all those Terrorist organisations into being. No Israel, no Terrorists. QED. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42312	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #323 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:46pm Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:58pm: You sound like an apologist for the Muslims Bwian... its always someone elses fault... and bwian thinks its Israels fault.
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20737 Gordon Gender:	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #324 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:49pm Is the word islamophobia overused?
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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #325 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:49pm Karnal wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:08pm: Yes, Mother, but you're supposed to blame Islam as well. If you don't, you're racist. What would you say is the cause, dear?
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42312	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #326 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:51pm Gordon wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:49pm: Is the word islamophobia overused? Nope. Is the word "bigot" underutilised?
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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #327 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:52pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:08pm:

Yes, Mother, but you're supposed to blame Islam as well.

If you don't, you're racist.

What would you say is the cause, dear?

I'm with you, Alevine. I couldn't have put it better myself.

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While these ideas keep being interpreted as they are islamic terrorism will continue.

Butif you want a cause for such interpretation, I'm afraid that's a tad more complicated.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96434	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #328 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:53pm Gordon wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:49pm: Is the word islamophobia overused? It may well be, Gordon, it may well be. Frank, Baron and Alevine never tire of it.
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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #329 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:54pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:44pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:32pm:

The point is that the terrorist organisations aims are much more. No ideas of Islam, no terrorist organisations. Funny that. Given the amount of terrorist organisations that are all based on the ideas of Islam, not to mention all the fascist states, it is very easy to conclude that if not Hamas then simply one more. While these ideas keep being interpreted as they are islamic terrorism will continue.

And yet it was the creation of the State of Israel which brought all those Terrorist organisations into being. No Israel, no Terrorists. QED. Roll Eyes

And yet their stated aims are a lot more. I wonder why...

Anyway it doesn't matter, because you , doctor, have already admitted the book is dangerous.

Is your credential as authentic as Reza Aslams, btw? Grin

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