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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #330 - Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:57pm

Karnal wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:52pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:08pm:

Yes, Mother, but you're supposed to blame Islam as well.

If you don't, you're racist.

What would you say is the cause, dear?

I'm with you, Alevine. I couldn't have put it better myself.

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While these ideas keep being interpreted as they are islamic terrorism will continue.

Butif you want a cause for such interpretation, I'm afraid that's a tad more complicated.

The cause is simple karnal, it's that Islam has not had the reformation other religions have, and everytime this is raised we have doctors of divinity like Brian telling us how islamaphobic we are. But I'm glad you agree, I only wish you would come over my side of the argument and join me in calling out these interpretations when they are practiced in real life.

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #331 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:03am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:44pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:32pm:

The point is that the terrorist organisations aims are much more. No ideas of Islam, no terrorist organisations. Funny that. Given the amount of terrorist organisations that are all based on the ideas of Islam, not to mention all the fascist states, it is very easy to conclude that if not Hamas then simply one more. While these ideas keep being interpreted as they are islamic terrorism will continue.

And yet it was the creation of the State of Israel which brought all those Terrorist organisations into being. No Israel, no Terrorists. QED. Roll Eyes

And yet their stated aims are a lot more. I wonder why...

Perhaps you should ask them?

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Anyway it doesn't matter, because you , doctor, have already admitted the book is dangerous.

All books are dangerous. Just look at The Bible. More people killed because of it than have been because of the Q'ran... Roll Eyes

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Is your credential as authentic as Reza Aslams, btw? Grin

I genuinely hold a DD degree, amongst other degrees, if that is what you're asking. Never heard of Reza Aslam before, I have to admit.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35578 Gender:	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #332 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:07am sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:14pm: Yeh but you don't look at the real causes, and use bad data, mothra. That much we know. Rubbish. Do you know how many Muslims are fighting the treatment of women in Islamic countries? Change will come from within.
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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #333 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:09am You're the doctor of divinity, you can tell us how all these terrorist organisations and fascist states are misinterpreting the Koran. And Christianity went through reformation, it's the modern days that we concern ourselves with.
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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #334 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:11am

mothra wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:07am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:14pm:

Yeh but you don't look at the real causes, and use bad data, mothra. That much we know.

Rubbish. Do you know how many Muslims are fighting the treatment of women in Islamic countries?

Change will come from within.

I'm sure it won't, mothra. Let me ask you, if the situation was so dire and you had no way out would you want people to come and help you or would you want them to say, "change will come from within. In the meantime, no criticisms, let's instead come up with a nifty term for anyone who stands against the aggressors... Islamaphobia."
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Reply #335 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:16am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:11am:

mothra wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:07am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:14pm:

Yeh but you don't look at the real causes, and use bad data, mothra. That much we know.

Rubbish. Do you know how many Muslims are fighting the treatment of women in Islamic countries?

Change will come from within.

I'm sure it won't, mothra. Let me ask you, if the situation was so dire and you had no way out would you want people to come and help you or would you want them to say, "change will come from within. In the meantime, no criticisms, let's instead come up with a nifty term for anyone who stands against the aggressors... Islamaphobia."
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Look what war has done Alevine.

Do you propose we go to war with the Indonesians over human rights violations in West Papua? What would that solve? Into Africa? North Korea? South America? Where do you want people defended?

The Middle East is as buggered as it is because of decades of aggression. It's splintered beyond hope.

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Reply #336 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:25am

mothra wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:16am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:11am:

mothra wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:07am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:14pm:

Yeh but you don't look at the real causes, and use bad data, mothra. That much we know.

Rubbish. Do you know how many Muslims are fighting the treatment of women in Islamic countries?

Change will come from within.

I'm sure it won't, mothra. Let me ask you, if the situation was so dire and you had no way out would you want people to come and help you or would you want them to say, "change will come from within. In the meantime, no criticisms, let's instead come up with a nifty term for anyone who stands against the aggressors... Islamaphobia."
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Look what war has done Alevine.

Do you propose we go to war with the Indonesians over human rights violations in West Papua? What would that solve? Into Africa? North Korea? South America? Where do you want people defended?

The Middle East is as buggered as it is because of decades of aggression. It's splintered beyond hope.

Well let's start with the regressive left. Let's start with the regressive left understanding the actual problems and the cause of the problems. Let's start with the regressive left actually supporting the right people. Let's stop the regressive left from being afraid of being critical of very very bad ideas. And let's have the regressive left stop pretending that everything is the fault of the West.

Maybe we can make a difference by actually standing up against the aggressors, and not being afraid of criticising them? Can we agree to this? Can we agree that it isn't islamaphobic to call out the anti women views being portrayed through Islam? Can we admit that it isn't islamaphobia to call out anti freedom of speech that Islamic ideas, as currently interpreted, represent? Can we admit that it isn't islamaphobia to stand up with "apostates" and question why someone should die simply because they don't believe anymore.

Let's start here. And if this fails, then let's look at what remaining alternatives are left. But I don't think "change from within" without assistance is going to do much. Nor do I think that lighting candles and having vigils after every attack does any good either.

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #337 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:39am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:25am:

mothra wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:16am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:11am:

mothra wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:07am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:14pm:

Yeh but you don't look at the real causes, and use bad data, mothra. That much we know.

Rubbish. Do you know how many Muslims are fighting the treatment of women in Islamic countries?

Change will come from within.

I'm sure it won't, mothra. Let me ask you, if the situation was so dire and you had no way out would you want people to come and help you or would you want them to say, "change will come from within. In the meantime, no criticisms, let's instead come up with a nifty term for anyone who stands against the aggressors... Islamaphobia."
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Look what war has done Alevine.

Do you propose we go to war with the Indonesians over human rights violations in West Papua? What would that solve? Into Africa? North Korea? South America? Where do you want people defended?

The Middle East is as buggered as it is because of decades of aggression. It's splintered beyond hope.

Well let's start with the regressive left. Let's start with the regressive left understanding the actual problems and the cause of the problems. Let's start with the regressive left actually supporting the right people. Let's stop the regressive left from being afraid of being critical of very very bad ideas. And let's have the regressive left stop pretending that everything is the fault of the West.

Maybe we can make a difference by actually standing up against the aggressors, and not being afraid of criticising them? Can we agree to this? Can we agree that it isn't islamaphobic to call out the anti women views being portrayed through Islam? Can we admit that it isn't islamaphobia to call out anti freedom of speech that Islamic ideas, as currently interpreted, represent? Can we admit that it isn't islamaphobia to stand up with "apostates" and question why someone should die simply because they don't believe anymore.

Let's start here. And if this fails, then let's look at what remaining alternatives are left. But I don't think "change from within" without assistance is going to do much. Nor do I think that lighting candles and having vigils after every attack does any good either.

'll just pretend that because you're fired up, you didn't mean to be as condescending as you just were.

You don't seem to understand the left. It is through the left that voices of dissent are getting out. It is because of the left we have the awareness that we do.

And there is a big difference between being critical of repressive regimes and being an Islamophobe.

See, you qualify as an Islamophobe because you keep referring to Islam and Muslims, as though they were a homogeneous blob. Most Muslims translate the Quran peacefully.

So what is the difference, Alevine, to those that translate the Quran peacefully to those that don't. And why did thse that don't stop doing so, By and large they once did.

What changed?

It is in these questions i am interested. Not just claiming a religion that is largely peacefull is responsible.

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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 47665 Gender:	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #339 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 3:37pm Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:46pm: yawn_20smiley.jpg[/img] Brian Ross wrote on Jul 15^th, 2016 at 9:19pm: I hold a Doctor of Divinity degree, which rather suggests I know a great deal more about religion than you, don't you think? You laughable little plonker.
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Reply #340 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 3:42pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:17pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:08pm:

It must be that either you have a comprehension problem, or just don't know how to read. Yes, Jewish people can become citizens of Israel through right of return. But that's not the only method a person has to being naturalised, and citizenship is provided for people with permanent residency regardless of their religion. Now, let me ask you, can a Jewish person ever become a citizen in Saudi Arabia? Iran? Can they even enter the Gaza Strip without the high chance of being stoned to death by some Hamas terrorist?

Ever consider that is the right of those nations to create their citizenship laws how they wish?

I personally, don't have a problem with the Israelis creating their citizenship on the basis of their religious beliefs BUT I do have a problem when an ignorant person such as yourself claims the reverse.

You can become a citizen of Israel automatically if you are a Jew. If you are Christian or a Muslim or an atheist, you have to apply to become a citizen. Even if you were born in Israel. So, there is no automatic citizenship, except for Jews. Doesn't seem particularly fair, now does it? Roll Eyes

What's unfair about it? Many other countries do the same or similar thing: if your parents or grandparents were citizens, you can be a citizen.

The following are deemed Egyptian nationals:Those who were born to an Egyptian parent, or have an Egyptian grandparent.

You silly, pretentious ass. Doctor of Divinity, among other degrees, eh?? Grin

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #341 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 3:43pm

mothra wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:07am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:14pm:

Yeh but you don't look at the real causes, and use bad data, mothra. That much we know.

Rubbish. Do you know how many Muslims are fighting the treatment of women in Islamic countries?

Change will come from within.

Oh? They will rewrite the Koran?

Don't tell me YOU have a Doctor of Divinity degree, too, like Brian (among other degrees, in his case, of course)?
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Reply #342 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 3:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:58pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:38pm:

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And if we take israel out we are still left with the nastiest bastard fascist regimes in the ME.

Yeas, I know, and I don't care. Do you?

Anyone person believing in universal human rights should. Israel has nothing to do with the fundamentalism that exists in the middle east.

Really? Yet the Fundamentalists always point to Israel as their bête noire... Roll Eyes

And then go and kill anyone and everyone anyway. Aha.

You obviously understand little of the strategic thinking behind Terrorism, don't you? Roll Eyes

What's the strategy, Brian? Other than world domination by Islam.

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Reply #343 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 3:49pm

Frank wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 3:42pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:17pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:08pm:

It must be that either you have a comprehension problem, or just don't know how to read. Yes, Jewish people can become citizens of Israel through right of return. But that's not the only method a person has to being naturalised, and citizenship is provided for people with permanent residency regardless of their religion. Now, let me ask you, can a Jewish person ever become a citizen in Saudi Arabia? Iran? Can they even enter the Gaza Strip without the high chance of being stoned to death by some Hamas terrorist?

Ever consider that is the right of those nations to create their citizenship laws how they wish?

I personally, don't have a problem with the Israelis creating their citizenship on the basis of their religious beliefs BUT I do have a problem when an ignorant person such as yourself claims the reverse.

You can become a citizen of Israel automatically if you are a Jew. If you are Christian or a Muslim or an atheist, you have to apply to become a citizen. Even if you were born in Israel. So, there is no automatic citizenship, except for Jews. Doesn't seem particularly fair, now does it? Roll Eyes

What's unfair about it? Many other countries do the same or similar thing: if your parents or grandparents were citizens, you can be a citizen.

The following are deemed Egyptian nationals:Those who were born to an Egyptian parent, or have an Egyptian grandparent.

You silly, pretentious ass. Doctor of Divinity, among other degrees, eh?? Grin

I wonder which Islamic regime would allow a Jewish person to even become a citizen, let alone automatically? But that doesn't concern Brian Wink

Even in Australia citizenship is not Automatic to everyone. The difference is everyone has a chance of citizenship regardless of their ethnicity. Just like in Israel. But not in Islamic regimes. But that's not ts problem. According to Brian, the doctor of divinity.

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Reply #344 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 3:51pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:59pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:52pm:

https://sharinhislove.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/israelite-kingdomsauldavidsolo...

Taken from a Jewish website, yeas Grendel?

Were they drawing aerial maps 3000 years ago?

When was that map drawn Grendel?

You stupid little know-nothing. Only maps made 3000 years ago should be accepted as accurate records of geography 3000 years ago?

You Doctor of Divinity (among other degrees) has rotted your brain, Brian, you silly, ridiculous ass.

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