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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #30 - Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:08pm
 
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:53pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:23pm:
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:18pm:
"Islamophobia" is just a term made up by the regressive left Muslim apologists to try to denigrate those of us who actually have valid and warranted concerns about Islam, which is more a political ideology than a religion.


That's what all the Islamophobes say.

(all terms are "made up", by the way)


Unlike the left who just want to brush it off and pretend there is no issue. Despite the fact that not one of you can name any recent mass killings by any Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu or any other r idiots group.



How recent is recent Matty?

2 weeks because it fits your narrative?

http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/

Go through it, I think out of 47 mentioned we have 3 to 4 carried out by people of Islamic faith.

Are Christians more inclined to mass murder then?
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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #31 - Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:09pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:07pm:
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:05pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:02pm:
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:00pm:
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:53pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:23pm:
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:18pm:
"Islamophobia" is just a term made up by the regressive left Muslim apologists to try to denigrate those of us who actually have valid and warranted concerns about Islam, which is more a political ideology than a religion.


That's what all the Islamophobes say.

(all terms are "made up", by the way)


Unlike the left who just want to brush it off and pretend there is no issue. Despite the fact that not one of you can name any recent mass killings by any Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu or any other r idiots group.


Apologist.



Exactly, that's what you all are. Good to see you finally admit it.


I make no apologies for killers.

You, on the other hand, are always wanting to shift the blame.

Apologist.



Where have I shifted the blame? Give me one example.


You shift the blame to Islam, like all the other apologists.

Apologist.



Shift the blame to Islam? They're doing it because of Islam! They commit these atrocities in the name of Islam.
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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #32 - Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:10pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:08pm:
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:53pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:23pm:
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:18pm:
"Islamophobia" is just a term made up by the regressive left Muslim apologists to try to denigrate those of us who actually have valid and warranted concerns about Islam, which is more a political ideology than a religion.


That's what all the Islamophobes say.

(all terms are "made up", by the way)


Unlike the left who just want to brush it off and pretend there is no issue. Despite the fact that not one of you can name any recent mass killings by any Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu or any other r idiots group.



How recent is recent Matty?

2 weeks because it fits your narrative?

http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/

Go through it, I think out of 47 mentioned we have 3 to 4 carried out by people of Islamic faith.

Are Christians more inclined to mass murder then?


Have any of the non-Muslims who have killed done so in the name of their religion? Have they said that Christ or God has called them to kill? Or do they happen to be people of other religions who kill?
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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #33 - Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:11pm
 
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:18pm:
"Islamophobia" is just a term made up by the regressive left Muslim apologists to try to denigrate those of us who actually have valid and warranted concerns about Islam, which is more a political ideology than a religion.


Really?

Everything you attack Islam for, is present in Christianity and it's belief system, Matty.   Roll Eyes
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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #34 - Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:13pm
 
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:10pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:08pm:
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:53pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:23pm:
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:18pm:
"Islamophobia" is just a term made up by the regressive left Muslim apologists to try to denigrate those of us who actually have valid and warranted concerns about Islam, which is more a political ideology than a religion.


That's what all the Islamophobes say.

(all terms are "made up", by the way)


Unlike the left who just want to brush it off and pretend there is no issue. Despite the fact that not one of you can name any recent mass killings by any Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu or any other r idiots group.



How recent is recent Matty?

2 weeks because it fits your narrative?

http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/

Go through it, I think out of 47 mentioned we have 3 to 4 carried out by people of Islamic faith.

Are Christians more inclined to mass murder then?


Have any of the non-Muslims who have killed done so in the name of their religion? Have they said that Christ or God has called them to kill? Or do they happen to be people of other religions who kill?


What are the abortion clinic killers driven by?
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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #35 - Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:15pm
 
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:10pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:08pm:
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:53pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:23pm:
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:18pm:
"Islamophobia" is just a term made up by the regressive left Muslim apologists to try to denigrate those of us who actually have valid and warranted concerns about Islam, which is more a political ideology than a religion.


That's what all the Islamophobes say.

(all terms are "made up", by the way)


Unlike the left who just want to brush it off and pretend there is no issue. Despite the fact that not one of you can name any recent mass killings by any Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu or any other r idiots group.



How recent is recent Matty?

2 weeks because it fits your narrative?

http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/

Go through it, I think out of 47 mentioned we have 3 to 4 carried out by people of Islamic faith.

Are Christians more inclined to mass murder then?


Have any of the non-Muslims who have killed done so in the name of their religion? Have they said that Christ or God has called them to kill? Or do they happen to be people of other religions who kill?


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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #36 - Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:19pm
 
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:07pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:03pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 9:41am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 9:37am:
salad in wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 8:46am:
Mr Aly is not a muslim. If he were he would be fighting with ISIL. There is no verse in the koran that allows muslims to relax their harsh views. There is no mention in the koran of moderate muslims or radical muslims. There is no manichean type escape clause in the koran. If you cleave to the alleged religion of islam you are a muslim without any shades of grey, light grey, dark grey etc.

Well not entirely true.  There are reformist Muslims who actually wish for their religion to undergo enlightenment as what happened with Catholicism.  And there are of course radicals/extremists, orthodox, and the moderates. 


The regressive left are in fact supporting the conservative Muslims over the reformists.


Really?  And on what basis do you come to the conclusion, Gordy?  Where have you read any "Left" writings?    Roll Eyes


Why don't you see left wing politicians and activists out there criticising such attacks?


They have and they do, Matty.  You just don't read/hear them, preferring to drown their protests in a sea of shouts and bigotry.

Muslims criticise the Terrorists and their attacks.  You just don't read/hear them because the MSM doesn't report them.

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Why didn't the homosexual lobby groups release a single statement about the Orlando massacre?


Really?  I think they are busy grappling with Christian homophobia as well as Muslim homophobia...

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Why do we constantly hear the left saying that there is good and bad in all religions, when clearly there is more bad in Islam than there is any other religion?


Really?   They used to say that about Catholicism, about Judiasm, about Hinduism, about...

BEFORE people became aware of the good as well as the bad.

Ever hear of Suttee?
Ever hear of Opus Dei?
Ever hear of the anti-Semitic slurs about Passover?

I suspect you'd have been revelling in those when they were prevalent, Matty.   You just love to hate.    Roll Eyes

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Why do we the left pass the blame to the West for Islamic attacks?


The reasons why Terrorism has become dominant from Islamists are party to blame on the West.  If the West had not decided to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, we would not have al Q'aeda nor Daesh as the great dangers they are considered today, Matty.    Roll Eyes

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #37 - Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:21pm
 
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:09pm:
Shift the blame to Islam? They're doing it because of Islam! They commit these atrocities in the name of Islam.


Christian Terrorists commit their atrocities in the name of Christianity, Matty.

All religious inspired Terrorists commit their atrocities in the name of their religion.   Its what they do.   Idiot.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #38 - Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:24pm
 
Personally I have never seen FGM as a strictly Muslim problem and it has always in my mind been a North African cultural thing...
So FGM by country...
Somalia 99% Sunni Muslim <1% Christian.
Yemen  99% Muslim.
Egypt 95% Muslim.
Sudan 70% Sunni Muslim 10% Christian.
Eritrea 50% Sunni Muslim, 30% Orthodox 12% Catholic, 6% other 2% indigenous
Djibouti Muslim 94%, Christian 6%
Ethiopia Orthodox 43.5%, Muslim 33.9%, Protestant 18.6%, traditional 2.6%, Catholic 0.7%, other 0.7%
Kenya Protestant 45%, Roman Catholic 33%, Muslim 10%, indigenous beliefs 10%, other 2%
Tanzania mainland - Christian 30%, Muslim 35%, indigenous beliefs 35%; Zanzibar - more than 99% Muslim
Chad Muslim 53.1%, Catholic 20.1%, Protestant 14.2%, animist 7.3%, other 0.5%, unknown 1.7%, atheist 3.1%
CAR   indigenous beliefs 35%, Protestant 25%, Roman Catholic 25%, Muslim 15%; note: animistic beliefs and practices strongly influence the Christian majority
Nigeria Muslim 50%, Christian 40%, indigenous beliefs 10%
Mali Muslim 90%, Christian 1%, indigenous beliefs 9%
Burkina Faso  Muslim 50%, indigenous beliefs 40%, Christian (mainly Roman Catholic) 10%
Benin Christian 42.8% (Catholic 27.1%, Celestial 5%, Methodist 3.2%, other Protestant 2.2%, other 5.3%), Muslim 24.4%, Vodoun 17.3%, other 15.5%
Cote d'Ivoire Muslim 38.6%, Christian 32.8%, indigenous 11.9%, none 16.7%
Liberia Christian 40%, Muslim 20%, indigenous beliefs 40%
Guinea Muslim 85%, Christian 8%, indigenous beliefs 7%
Sierra Leone Muslim 60%, Christian 10%, indigenous beliefs 30%
Mauritania Muslim 100%
Senegal Muslim 94%, Christian 5% (mostly Roman Catholic), indigenous beliefs 1%
Guinea Bissau Muslim 50%, indigenous beliefs 40%, Christian 10%
Gambia Muslim 90%, Christian 9%, indigenous beliefs
Highlighted show over 80% of females suffer FGM.
make your own mind up.
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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #39 - Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:25pm
 
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:09pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:07pm:
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:05pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:02pm:
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:01pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:00pm:
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:53pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:23pm:
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:18pm:
"Islamophobia" is just a term made up by the regressive left Muslim apologists to try to denigrate those of us who actually have valid and warranted concerns about Islam, which is more a political ideology than a religion.


That's what all the Islamophobes say.

(all terms are "made up", by the way)


Unlike the left who just want to brush it off and pretend there is no issue. Despite the fact that not one of you can name any recent mass killings by any Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu or any other r idiots group.


Apologist.



Exactly, that's what you all are. Good to see you finally admit it.


I make no apologies for killers.

You, on the other hand, are always wanting to shift the blame.

Apologist.



Where have I shifted the blame? Give me one example.


You shift the blame to Islam, like all the other apologists.

Apologist.



Shift the blame to Islam? They're doing it because of Islam! They commit these atrocities in the name of Islam.


See what I mean? You're an apologist for murderers.



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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #40 - Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:26pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:15pm:
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:10pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:08pm:
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:53pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:23pm:
matty wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 1:18pm:
"Islamophobia" is just a term made up by the regressive left Muslim apologists to try to denigrate those of us who actually have valid and warranted concerns about Islam, which is more a political ideology than a religion.


That's what all the Islamophobes say.

(all terms are "made up", by the way)


Unlike the left who just want to brush it off and pretend there is no issue. Despite the fact that not one of you can name any recent mass killings by any Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu or any other r idiots group.



How recent is recent Matty?

2 weeks because it fits your narrative?

http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/

Go through it, I think out of 47 mentioned we have 3 to 4 carried out by people of Islamic faith.

Are Christians more inclined to mass murder then?


Have any of the non-Muslims who have killed done so in the name of their religion? Have they said that Christ or God has called them to kill? Or do they happen to be people of other religions who kill?


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qv_6lKYkXD4/hqdefault.jpg


I listened to a fascinating podcast with an ex Westboro member being interviewed. She said that Westboro members don't hate fags, they're merely quoting exactly what's written in the bible.

They celebrate the death of gays because it's proof that god loves all people, and he hasn't killed living gays and has given them another chance to change.

I saw a Louis Theroux interview recently where he spoke about his time doing a doco with them where he said each and every last Westboro member was the nicest person you could ever meet, and when they were on the protest line and gays would engage them hoping for a verbal, they'd actually almost charm the pants off them and tell them their twisted logic.

Keep in mind the Westboro community numbers about 100.
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Reply #41 - Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:30pm
 
Gordon wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:26pm:
I listened to a fascinating podcast with an ex Westboro member being interviewed. She said that Westboro members don't hate fags, they're merely quoting exactly what's written in the bible.

They celebrate the death of gays because it's proof that god loves all people, and he hasn't killed living gays and has given them another chance to change.

I saw a Louis Theroux interview recently where he spoke about his time doing a doco with them where he said each and every last Westboro member was the nicest person you could ever meet, and when they were on the protest line and gays would engage them hoping for a verbal, they'd actually almost charm the pants off them and tell them their twisted logic.

Keep in mind the Westboro community numbers about 100.


So, those Christians are fundementalists and extremist in their view of Gays, Gordy?

Amazing and we have so many here telling us that Christians aren't like that at all.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #42 - Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:32pm
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 12:39pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 12:28pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 12:16pm:
Saw this the other day, might pay to watch then reconsider blanket statements like "Muslim Countries" & Islamophobia. It would not exist if we sheeted home the problems to those that deserve the blame rather than an easy scapegoat.[/url]

We know Muslim countries have problems...  the video just points out that different Muslim countries have different problems. We know that...  what do they have in common?
THEY ARE MUSLIM COUNTRIES...


So why don't we refer to them as countries rather than religion.

FGM as referred to in the video, is a christian country problem(or more to the point an African problem) yet in reporting we here it's Muslim countries, not only is this factually incorrect but even if they did report it correctly you can bet it would be described as an Eritrean or African problem NOT a CHRISTIAN Country problem.


Stop bashing a religion & sheet home the blame to those that deserve it.

Or better yet BAN ALL RELIGIONS, then no one would have an excuse.

Eritrea 50% muslim
Djibouti 94% muslim
Would seem to me Aslan is cherry picking and wrong...  many confident people are quite capable of conning others ad just being plain wrong whilst seeming right. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #43 - Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:36pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:07pm:
Grendel wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 12:28pm:
Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 12:16pm:
Saw this the other day, might pay to watch then reconsider blanket statements like "Muslim Countries" & Islamophobia. It would not exist if we sheeted home the problems to those that deserve the blame rather than an easy scapegoat.[/url]

We know Muslim countries have problems...  the video just points out that different Muslim countries have different problems. We know that...  what do they have in common?
THEY ARE MUSLIM COUNTRIES...


Yet their Islam differs markedly, between each country.  That is something the Fundamentalist Islamists want to see ended.   It is something we should be promoting.   Anything that divides Muslims and allows individuality to be seen and accepted, is a good thing IMO.    Roll Eyes

So where was I wrong bwian?
Oh right...  I wasn't...

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Won't be long now the bwian yawn will be appearing and yet again he will have conceded victory to me on something. Grin
If you want to agree with me bwian...  best you start off with that's right Grendel...
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Reply #44 - Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:39pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:30pm:
Gordon wrote on Jul 13th, 2016 at 2:26pm:
I listened to a fascinating podcast with an ex Westboro member being interviewed. She said that Westboro members don't hate fags, they're merely quoting exactly what's written in the bible.

They celebrate the death of gays because it's proof that god loves all people, and he hasn't killed living gays and has given them another chance to change.

I saw a Louis Theroux interview recently where he spoke about his time doing a doco with them where he said each and every last Westboro member was the nicest person you could ever meet, and when they were on the protest line and gays would engage them hoping for a verbal, they'd actually almost charm the pants off them and tell them their twisted logic.

Keep in mind the Westboro community numbers about 100.


So, those Christians are fundementalists and extremist in their view of Gays, Gordy?

Amazing and we have so many here telling us that Christians aren't like that at all.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


As you know, I'm not one of those.
There are extremists in all walks of life.

It's my position that the level of conservatism, fundamentalism, extremism, call it what you will has a much higher set point within Islam. It's also an undeniable fact that Christian countries are better insulated from religion due to secularism and separation of church and state.

Brian, if we get an influx of Christian fundamentalists from USA or elsewhere and it becomes off limits to publicly critique them due to racism, I'll fill the boards with post.

Mkay?
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