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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #360 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 4:52pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 4:49pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 4:40pm:

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My argument is that I think any ideology that treats women as baby incubators and teaches men to follow in the steps of a 3rd century barbarian is not compatible with liberal views.

Those who are quite content to live their lives within that ideology might respond with the line......"You say that as though it is a bad thing not to be 'liberal.'"

We know, we know, you don't care about things that don't impact you. I'd say that's the worst kind of person.

It's not about whether one is content or not: people will be content as long as they don't know what they don't have, and have enough bread and water to sustain themselves and their families. What's actually important is that if we believe human rights to be universal then they actually be so. And if 99% of the population is content because they know nothing better, then I'll always side with the 1% being denied their human rights and who want more.

1%

Ah.

Not quite the "problem" you thought it was then.

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #361 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 4:57pm

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What's actually important is that if we believe human rights to be universal then they actually be so. And if 99% of the population is content because they know nothing better, then I'll always side with the 1% being denied their human rights

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who want more. Any person from the left should do the same, instead of 1) being regressive and accepting that human rights can be denied in Islam or 2) just being a tosswart who says he only cares about himself.

It seems those who live within that ideology do not want more. That is their choice, yeas?

But, on that paragraph of yours, I am asking because I really don't know....what is your view on immigration into Australia by Muslim people who want more?

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #363 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 5:54pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:09am:

You're the doctor of divinity, you can tell us how all these terrorist organisations and fascist states are misinterpreting the Koran.

What "fascist states"?

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And Christianity went through reformation, it's the modern days that we concern ourselves with.

Yet, the basis of Christianity's belief system is contained in the same words in the same book - The Bible. That book contains the Old and the New Testaments. Yet we constantly here that the Old Testament should be ignored, despite numerous Christians turning to it when they seek to justify their latest atrocity.

Even if we limit ourselves to post-reformation Christianity, more Christians have died as a consequence of the Bible's teachings than of the Q'ran's. Roll Eyes

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42312	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #364 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 5:55pm Grendel wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:07pm: Really.... hasn't Islam been spread "by the sword" So has Christianity...
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38846 Gender:	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #365 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 5:58pm Black Orchid wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 5:42pm: You have a great deal of patience, Alevine. I commend you. See, that was not only nasty to others, it was completely unnecessary, contributed nothing to the discussion other than typical boot licking.
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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #366 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 5:59pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 4:57pm:

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What's actually important is that if we believe human rights to be universal then they actually be so. And if 99% of the population is content because they know nothing better, then I'll always side with the 1% being denied their human rights

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who want more. Any person from the left should do the same, instead of 1) being regressive and accepting that human rights can be denied in Islam or 2) just being a tosswart who says he only cares about himself.

It seems those who live within that ideology do not want more. That is their choice, yeas?

But, on that paragraph of yours, I am asking because I really don't know....what is your view on immigration into Australia by Muslim people who want more?

Aussie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 4:57pm:

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What's actually important is that if we believe human rights to be universal then they actually be so. And if 99% of the population is content because they know nothing better, then I'll always side with the 1% being denied their human rights

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who want more. Any person from the left should do the same, instead of 1) being regressive and accepting that human rights can be denied in Islam or 2) just being a tosswart who says he only cares about himself.

It seems those who live within that ideology do not want more. That is their choice, yeas?

But, on that paragraph of yours, I am asking because I really don't know....what is your view on immigration into Australia by Muslim people who want more?

Yes and for many years if you were to ask women if they wanted the vote they would have said no. If you asked black people if they wanted rights they would've said they were content. And yet that wasn't true was it? Like i said, people make do with what they have, yes, but it doesn't mean it's right. And to say "well you can see they don't want rights" still throws dirt at the notion of universal human rights. The difference between the west and Islamic regime also is that in the west these movements to get rights happened and worked because the governments were not tyrannical. Try a movement in a Islamic regime.

I have no problem with Muslim migration because I have already said I don't want to discriminate individuals on the basis of their beliefs, which I know nothing about on an individual level. Which is what every regressive left doesn't understand! However, that doesn't mean I don't want a proper dialogue to exist in Australia, and the world, about the terrible ideas of Islam, and if people who migrate feel this offends them then all I can say is join the conversation and deal with the fact that Australia is a free society where ideas can be criticised. And anyway, criticism of ideas should not offend anyone, and is not about offending someone. It's criticism of ideas to improve the ideas and to change the ideas.

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #367 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 6:02pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 5:54pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:09am:

You're the doctor of divinity, you can tell us how all these terrorist organisations and fascist states are misinterpreting the Koran.

What "fascist states"?

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And Christianity went through reformation, it's the modern days that we concern ourselves with.

Yet, the basis of Christianity's belief system is contained in the same words in the same book - The Bible. That book contains the Old and the New Testaments. Yet we constantly here that the Old Testament should be ignored, despite numerous Christians turning to it when they seek to justify their latest atrocity.

Even if we limit ourselves to post-reformation Christianity, more Christians have died as a consequence of the Bible's teachings than of the Q'ran's. Roll Eyes

Which state uses the Old Testament for their laws? Which Christian organisation has gone out on mass murder, say with a truck, and then claimed it was based on their beliefs of the Old Testament?

I mean how many times must we go over your nonsense, doctor of divinity?

and please doctor, tell us how all these marvellous Islamic regimes which deny human rights are misrepresenting the Koran? Don't dither now Wink

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #368 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 6:02pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 3:49pm:

I wonder which Islamic regime would allow a Jewish person to even become a citizen, let alone automatically? But that doesn't concern Brian Wink

Correct because we are discussing Israeli citizenship, not Muslim nation citizenship.

And if you're interested, Iran allows Jews to become citizens automatically, as do most other Muslim nations, except for Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Sudan (that I am aware of).

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Even in Australia citizenship is not Automatic to everyone.

Wrong. If you are born in Australia you are considered an Australian citizen.

If you are born in Israel and a Jew, you are considered an Israeli citizen. If you are a Christian or a Muslim or any other religion you must apply for Israeli citizenship.

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The difference is everyone has a chance of citizenship regardless of their ethnicity. Just like in Israel.

If you are born in Australia, yes that's true. If you migrate to Australia, you must become naturalised. In Israel as has already been related, things are different.

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But not in Islamic regimes. But that's not ts problem. According to Brian, the doctor of divinity.

No, it isn't my problem. It appears to be yours though. Could it because you're bigoted? Roll Eyes

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #369 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 6:04pm

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Yes and for many years if you were to ask women if they wanted the vote they would have said no. If you asked black people if they wanted rights they would've said they were content.

And, when Leaders came along agitating within their World and outside for those rights......open sesame. But.......it has to come from within, not imposed, but supported from without.

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Reply #370 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 6:05pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 4:12pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 11:46pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 10:58pm:

You sound like an apologist for the Muslims Bwian... its always someone elses fault... and bwian thinks its Israels fault. Grin

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Yet another LOSER of a post eh bwian... don't worry boyo, you will keep posting them, because in realty you have nothing but your bigotry and hypocrisy. Grin

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #371 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 6:08pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 6:02pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 5:54pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 12:09am:

You're the doctor of divinity, you can tell us how all these terrorist organisations and fascist states are misinterpreting the Koran.

What "fascist states"?

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And Christianity went through reformation, it's the modern days that we concern ourselves with.

Yet, the basis of Christianity's belief system is contained in the same words in the same book - The Bible. That book contains the Old and the New Testaments. Yet we constantly here that the Old Testament should be ignored, despite numerous Christians turning to it when they seek to justify their latest atrocity.

Even if we limit ourselves to post-reformation Christianity, more Christians have died as a consequence of the Bible's teachings than of the Q'ran's. Roll Eyes

Which state uses the Old Testament for their laws? Which Christian organisation has gone out on mass murder, say with a truck, and then claimed it was based on their beliefs of the Old Testament?

I mean how many times must we go over your nonsense, doctor of divinity?

and please doctor, tell us how all these marvellous Islamic regimes which deny human rights are misrepresenting the Koran? Don't dither now Wink

When you wish to discuss matters serious, get back to me. Roll Eyes

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #372 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 6:10pm

Aussie wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 6:04pm:

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Yes and for many years if you were to ask women if they wanted the vote they would have said no. If you asked black people if they wanted rights they would've said they were content.

And, when Leaders came along agitating within their World and outside for those rights......open sesame. But.......it has to come from within, not imposed, but supported from without.

Because the governments were not tyrannical wanks who had no problem with pointing guns at citizens and firing. The want from within is there, it's being stifened by the repressors and people like you who allow these repressors to thrive by refusing to call them out.

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Reply #373 - Jul 17^th, 2016 at 6:10pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 4:39pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 4:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 3:53pm:

Frank wrote on Jul 17^th, 2016 at 3:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:58pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 9:45pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:45pm:

Aussie wrote on Jul 16^th, 2016 at 6:38pm:

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And if we take israel out we are still left with the nastiest bastard fascist regimes in the ME.

Yeas, I know, and I don't care. Do you?

Anyone person believing in universal human rights should. Israel has nothing to do with the fundamentalism that exists in the middle east.

Really? Yet the Fundamentalists always point to Israel as their bête noire... Roll Eyes

And then go and kill anyone and everyone anyway. Aha.

You obviously understand little of the strategic thinking behind Terrorism, don't you? Roll Eyes

What's the strategy, Brian? Other than world domination by Islam.

That's interesting.

You're constantly saying that Muslims are stuck in the 7th Century, have low IQs, and have never invented anything.

However, you spend your days and nights cowering under you bed, because you think they're going to dominate the world.

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That is THEIR AIM.

And you're sh!t scared they're going to achieve it, despite everything else you've said about them.

Too funny.

Well, yes, I am sh!t scared about their agenda and the vigour they pursuit it with. I am sh!t scared that my children's lives will be darkened by decades of Islamic mayhem and political and armed tension between Western light and Islamic darkness.

20-30 years ago people scarcely knew or cared about Islam - now it's everywhere. Did anyone ask for more Islam in their lives? No. But no matter, it's there and it wants more.

So yeah, I am scared by it and I am speaking against it because it is an aggressive and dangerous ideology and because every gain Islam makes diminishes what is good and great about life.

Barbarians have overwhelmed civilisations before. Why you find that funny is something only you know.

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