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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #45 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:41pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

matty wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 1:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 1:23pm:

matty wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 1:18pm:

"Islamophobia" is just a term made up by the regressive left Muslim apologists to try to denigrate those of us who actually have valid and warranted concerns about Islam, which is more a political ideology than a religion.

That's what all the Islamophobes say.

(all terms are "made up", by the way)

Unlike the left who just want to brush it off and pretend there is no issue. Despite the fact that not one of you can name any recent mass killings by any Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu or any other r idiots group.

How recent is recent Matty?

2 weeks because it fits your narrative?

http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/

Go through it, I think out of 47 mentioned we have 3 to 4 carried out by people of Islamic faith.

Are Christians more inclined to mass murder then?

I'm sorry how many do ISIS kill each week, how many were blown to bits in IRAQ the other day?
Boy, matty is soooo right when it comes to you apologists. Roll Eyes

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #46 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:41pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 12:28pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 12:16pm:

Saw this the other day, might pay to watch then reconsider blanket statements like "Muslim Countries" & Islamophobia. It would not exist if we sheeted home the problems to those that deserve the blame rather than an easy scapegoat.[/url]

We know Muslim countries have problems... the video just points out that different Muslim countries have different problems. We know that... what do they have in common?
THEY ARE MUSLIM COUNTRIES...

Yet their Islam differs markedly, between each country. That is something the Fundamentalist Islamists want to see ended. It is something we should be promoting. Anything that divides Muslims and allows individuality to be seen and accepted, is a good thing IMO. Roll Eyes

So where was I wrong bwian?
Oh right... I wasn't...

Won't be long now the bwian yawn will be appearing and yet again he will have conceded victory to me. Grin

Grendel, the only place you're wrong is describing Islam as a unified, monolithic religion.

It's like suggesting that Christianity is a unified, monolithic religion. Roll Eyes

I made the point that we should be identifying and fostering the differences, not smoothing them over and doing what the Islamists want - treat all Muslims the same. We should punish those that break the law and help those that foster the law.

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #48 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:46pm

Gordon wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:39pm:

As you know, I'm not one of those.
There are extremists in all walks of life.

It's my position that the level of conservatism, fundamentalism, extremism, call it what you will has a much higher set point within Islam. It's also an undeniable fact that Christian countries are better insulated from religion due to secularism and separation of church and state.

Brian, if we get an influx of Christian fundamentalists from USA or elsewhere and it becomes off limits to publicly critique them due to racism, I'll fill the boards with post.

Mkay?

Fine. However, we have not had an "influx" of Muslims - they still only make up about 3% of our population. The overwhelming majority of immigrants still come from Christian or secular societies. So, why is everybody running 'round like chooks with their heads cut off? Oh, thats right we have 3% of our population who are Muslim... Roll Eyes

So, I take it you don't believe we should accept any immigrants from any theocratic state? Even if they are attempting to escape the theocracy that rules their old country and have indicated a desire to live in our (nominally) Christian/Secular state? Roll Eyes

Why is then possible for you to accept Catholics who owe their religious allegiance to the Vatican, one of the few theocratic states in the world? Or British people? Afterall, their Queen is also the head of their national church... Roll Eyes

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #49 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:48pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 12:28pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 12:16pm:

Saw this the other day, might pay to watch then reconsider blanket statements like "Muslim Countries" & Islamophobia. It would not exist if we sheeted home the problems to those that deserve the blame rather than an easy scapegoat.[/url]

We know Muslim countries have problems... the video just points out that different Muslim countries have different problems. We know that... what do they have in common?
THEY ARE MUSLIM COUNTRIES...

Yet their Islam differs markedly, between each country. That is something the Fundamentalist Islamists want to see ended. It is something we should be promoting. Anything that divides Muslims and allows individuality to be seen and accepted, is a good thing IMO. Roll Eyes

So where was I wrong bwian?
Oh right... I wasn't...

Won't be long now the bwian yawn will be appearing and yet again he will have conceded victory to me. Grin

Grendel, the only place you're wrong is describing Islam as a unified, monolithic religion.

It's like suggesting that Christianity is a unified, monolithic religion. Roll Eyes

yet I never have.... go for it bwian I will nail your misinterpretation to the cross.

I made the point that we should be identifying and fostering the differences, not smoothing them over and doing what the Islamists want - treat all Muslims the same. We should punish those that break the law and help those that foster the law.

Yet you are naïve enough to think that all muslims are not united by their religion bwian... they are, they are charged to despite their differences no matter how grave, to support each other and band together against the kuffar.

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #50 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:50pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:39pm:

As you know, I'm not one of those.
There are extremists in all walks of life.

It's my position that the level of conservatism, fundamentalism, extremism, call it what you will has a much higher set point within Islam. It's also an undeniable fact that Christian countries are better insulated from religion due to secularism and separation of church and state.

Brian, if we get an influx of Christian fundamentalists from USA or elsewhere and it becomes off limits to publicly critique them due to racism, I'll fill the boards with post.

Mkay?

Fine. However, we have not had an "influx" of Muslims - they still only make up about 3% of our population. The overwhelming majority of immigrants still come from Christian or secular societies. So, why is everybody running 'round like chooks with their heads cut off? Oh, thats right we have 3% of our population who are Muslim... Roll Eyes

So, I take it you don't believe we should accept any immigrants from any theocratic state? Even if they are attempting to escape the theocracy that rules their old country and have indicated a desire to live in our (nominally) Christian/Secular state? Roll Eyes

Why is then possible for you to accept Catholics who owe their religious allegiance to the Vatican, one of the few theocratic states in the world? Or British people? Afterall, their Queen is also the head of their national church... Roll Eyes

So what other populations are trying to kill us here bwian?
What other population are joining ISIS?

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #51 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:50pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

matty wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 1:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 1:23pm:

matty wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 1:18pm:

"Islamophobia" is just a term made up by the regressive left Muslim apologists to try to denigrate those of us who actually have valid and warranted concerns about Islam, which is more a political ideology than a religion.

That's what all the Islamophobes say.

(all terms are "made up", by the way)

Unlike the left who just want to brush it off and pretend there is no issue. Despite the fact that not one of you can name any recent mass killings by any Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu or any other r idiots group.

How recent is recent Matty?

2 weeks because it fits your narrative?

http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/

Go through it, I think out of 47 mentioned we have 3 to 4 carried out by people of Islamic faith.

Are Christians more inclined to mass murder then?

I'm sorry how many do ISIS kill each week, how many were blown to bits in IRAQ the other day?
Boy, matty is soooo right when it comes to you apologists. Roll Eyes

I'm sorry who created ISIS?

And why no facebook changes for the 200+ MUSLIMS killed by them?

If we are so worried about Muslims you think we'd be patting them on the back seeing 99.9% of people they kill are Muslim in Islamic Countries.

Have you got 1 of their posters on your wall?

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18754 Gender:	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #52 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 3:57pm Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:50pm: I'm sorry who created ISIS? Abu Musab al Zarqawi gets the credit for the Islamic state. His first TV appearance was the Nick Berg beheading video. Why are lefties so ignorant about Islam?
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42337	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #53 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 4:21pm Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:45pm: Westboro Baptist Church members 40 puhlease... representative of Christianity How many Muslim Terrorists have been convicted of Terrorism charges in Australia, Grendel? Six IIRC. Yet, all the bigots assume that tiny number are "representative of Islam"...
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Reply #54 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 4:23pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 12:28pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 12:16pm:

Saw this the other day, might pay to watch then reconsider blanket statements like "Muslim Countries" & Islamophobia. It would not exist if we sheeted home the problems to those that deserve the blame rather than an easy scapegoat.[/url]

We know Muslim countries have problems... the video just points out that different Muslim countries have different problems. We know that... what do they have in common?
THEY ARE MUSLIM COUNTRIES...

Yet their Islam differs markedly, between each country. That is something the Fundamentalist Islamists want to see ended. It is something we should be promoting. Anything that divides Muslims and allows individuality to be seen and accepted, is a good thing IMO. Roll Eyes

So where was I wrong bwian?
Oh right... I wasn't...

Won't be long now the bwian yawn will be appearing and yet again he will have conceded victory to me. Grin

Grendel, the only place you're wrong is describing Islam as a unified, monolithic religion.

It's like suggesting that Christianity is a unified, monolithic religion. Roll Eyes

yet I never have.... go for it bwian I will nail your misinterpretation to the cross.

I made the point that we should be identifying and fostering the differences, not smoothing them over and doing what the Islamists want - treat all Muslims the same. We should punish those that break the law and help those that foster the law.

Yet you are naïve enough to think that all muslims are not united by their religion bwian... they are, they are charged to despite their differences no matter how grave, to support each other and band together against the kuffar.

Still can't handle that quote function, hey, Grendel? Roll Eyes

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #55 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 4:27pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:39pm:

As you know, I'm not one of those.
There are extremists in all walks of life.

It's my position that the level of conservatism, fundamentalism, extremism, call it what you will has a much higher set point within Islam. It's also an undeniable fact that Christian countries are better insulated from religion due to secularism and separation of church and state.

Brian, if we get an influx of Christian fundamentalists from USA or elsewhere and it becomes off limits to publicly critique them due to racism, I'll fill the boards with post.

Mkay?

Fine. However, we have not had an "influx" of Muslims - they still only make up about 3% of our population. The overwhelming majority of immigrants still come from Christian or secular societies. So, why is everybody running 'round like chooks with their heads cut off? Oh, thats right we have 3% of our population who are Muslim... Roll Eyes

So, I take it you don't believe we should accept any immigrants from any theocratic state? Even if they are attempting to escape the theocracy that rules their old country and have indicated a desire to live in our (nominally) Christian/Secular state? Roll Eyes

Why is then possible for you to accept Catholics who owe their religious allegiance to the Vatican, one of the few theocratic states in the world? Or British people? Afterall, their Queen is also the head of their national church... Roll Eyes

So what other populations are trying to kill us here bwian?

I'm not aware of any "population" which are "trying to kill us here," Grendel.

Very few, if any Muslims want to kill Australians. Why try and claim an entire "population" is?

Oh, thats, right, we're talking about Muslims, yeah. Roll Eyes

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What other population are joining ISIS?

I am completely unaware of an entire "population" which wants to join Daesh. Can you name it for us, Grendel? Oh, you mean Muslims? But only a tiny minority of our population have attempted to join Daesh. I suppose we could discuss the Fascists, the Communists who wanted to join in the Spanish Civil War? What about the Croats and Bosnians who wanted to fight the Serbians? How about the Serbians and the Croats and the Bosnians who wanted to fight in the Balkan Wars? Plenty of others to choice from... Roll Eyes

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #56 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 4:29pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 12:28pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 12:16pm:

Saw this the other day, might pay to watch then reconsider blanket statements like "Muslim Countries" & Islamophobia. It would not exist if we sheeted home the problems to those that deserve the blame rather than an easy scapegoat.[/url]

We know Muslim countries have problems... the video just points out that different Muslim countries have different problems. We know that... what do they have in common?
THEY ARE MUSLIM COUNTRIES...

Yet their Islam differs markedly, between each country. That is something the Fundamentalist Islamists want to see ended. It is something we should be promoting. Anything that divides Muslims and allows individuality to be seen and accepted, is a good thing IMO. Roll Eyes

So where was I wrong bwian?
Oh right... I wasn't...

Won't be long now the bwian yawn will be appearing and yet again he will have conceded victory to me. Grin

Grendel, the only place you're wrong is describing Islam as a unified, monolithic religion.

You said that before bwian, I denied it, its still a lie.

It's like suggesting that Christianity is a unified, monolithic religion. Roll Eyes

I've never said that either bwian, if fact on many occasions I've had to point out to the atheistic progressive left and ignorant moslems that Catholicism is not the entirety of Christianity.

I made the point that we should be identifying and fostering the differences, not smoothing them over and doing what the Islamists want - treat all Muslims the same. We should punish those that break the law and help those that foster the law.

What the Islamists want bwian is global Islam, how do you propose we dissuade them of that goal when their brother muslims are either too afraid or too supportive of them

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Reply #57 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 4:43pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 4:27pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:39pm:

As you know, I'm not one of those.
There are extremists in all walks of life.

It's my position that the level of conservatism, fundamentalism, extremism, call it what you will has a much higher set point within Islam. It's also an undeniable fact that Christian countries are better insulated from religion due to secularism and separation of church and state.

Brian, if we get an influx of Christian fundamentalists from USA or elsewhere and it becomes off limits to publicly critique them due to racism, I'll fill the boards with post.

Mkay?

Fine. However, we have not had an "influx" of Muslims - they still only make up about 3% of our population. The overwhelming majority of immigrants still come from Christian or secular societies. So, why is everybody running 'round like chooks with their heads cut off? Oh, thats right we have 3% of our population who are Muslim... Roll Eyes

So, I take it you don't believe we should accept any immigrants from any theocratic state? Even if they are attempting to escape the theocracy that rules their old country and have indicated a desire to live in our (nominally) Christian/Secular state? Roll Eyes

Why is then possible for you to accept Catholics who owe their religious allegiance to the Vatican, one of the few theocratic states in the world? Or British people? Afterall, their Queen is also the head of their national church... Roll Eyes

So what other populations are trying to kill us here bwian?

POPULATION - particular group or type of people living in a place... YOU were the one who brought up other POPULATION GROUPS bwian not me... YOU are the apologist.... apparently you're now pretending to be a pedantic fool as well. Goodo

I'm not aware of any "population" which are "trying to kill us here," Grendel.

Now ignoring that idiocy... are you saying you are unaware of the people jailed (even just the other day) for trying to kill Australians in the name of Islam? Or sending people to fight for ISIS?

Very few, if any Muslims want to kill Australians. Why try and claim an entire "population" is?

I wasn't and you know I wasn't. Pedant.

Oh, thats, right, we're talking about Muslims, yeah. Roll Eyes

yes we are so you are not as stupid as you pretend to be eh.

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What other population are joining ISIS?

I am completely unaware of an entire "population" which wants to join Daesh.

Did I say entire.... oh dear careful your idiocy is showing...

Can you name it for us, Grendel? Oh, you mean Muslims?

Yes I do mean Muslims, not Christians or Buddists or any other POPULATION

But only a tiny minority of our population have attempted to join Daesh. I suppose we could discuss the Fascists, the Communists who wanted to join in the Spanish Civil War? What about the Croats and Bosnians who wanted to fight the Serbians? How about the Serbians and the Croats and the Bosnians who wanted to fight in the Balkan Wars? Plenty of others to choice from... Roll Eyes

Yes, why didn't you mention the Crusades? The Muslims mention them... BTW we all know Multiculti is a failure.

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Reply #58 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 4:45pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 4:23pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:48pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 12:28pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 12:16pm:

Saw this the other day, might pay to watch then reconsider blanket statements like "Muslim Countries" & Islamophobia. It would not exist if we sheeted home the problems to those that deserve the blame rather than an easy scapegoat.[/url]

We know Muslim countries have problems... the video just points out that different Muslim countries have different problems. We know that... what do they have in common?
THEY ARE MUSLIM COUNTRIES...

Yet their Islam differs markedly, between each country. That is something the Fundamentalist Islamists want to see ended. It is something we should be promoting. Anything that divides Muslims and allows individuality to be seen and accepted, is a good thing IMO. Roll Eyes

So where was I wrong bwian?
Oh right... I wasn't...

Won't be long now the bwian yawn will be appearing and yet again he will have conceded victory to me. Grin

Grendel, the only place you're wrong is describing Islam as a unified, monolithic religion.

It's like suggesting that Christianity is a unified, monolithic religion. Roll Eyes

yet I never have.... go for it bwian I will nail your misinterpretation to the cross.

I made the point that we should be identifying and fostering the differences, not smoothing them over and doing what the Islamists want - treat all Muslims the same. We should punish those that break the law and help those that foster the law.

Yet you are naïve enough to think that all muslims are not united by their religion bwian... they are, they are charged to despite their differences no matter how grave, to support each other and band together against the kuffar.

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/122743/2332811-yawn_20smiley...

Still can't handle that quote function, hey, Grendel? Roll Eyes

Still losing the argument...

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #59 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 4:46pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 4:21pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:45pm:

Westboro Baptist Church members 40
puhlease... representative of Christianity Cheesy

How many Muslim Terrorists have been convicted of Terrorism charges in Australia, Grendel?

Six IIRC.

Yet, all the bigots assume that tiny number are "representative of Islam"... Roll Eyes

How disingenuous of you bwian... Cheesy

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