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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #75 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:15pm Oh no Gordon you have it all wrong bwian counted only 6....
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20738 Gordon Gender:	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #76 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:17pm Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:14pm: http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/09/26/1226482/122387-muslim-riots.jpg Should have deported every last person who attended
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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #77 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:19pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:03pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 9:41am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 9:37am:

salad in wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 8:46am:

Mr Aly is not a muslim. If he were he would be fighting with ISIL. There is no verse in the koran that allows muslims to relax their harsh views. There is no mention in the koran of moderate muslims or radical muslims. There is no manichean type escape clause in the koran. If you cleave to the alleged religion of islam you are a muslim without any shades of grey, light grey, dark grey etc.

Well not entirely true. There are reformist Muslims who actually wish for their religion to undergo enlightenment as what happened with Catholicism. And there are of course radicals/extremists, orthodox, and the moderates.

The regressive left are in fact supporting the conservative Muslims over the reformists.

Really? And on what basis do you come to the conclusion, Gordy? Where have you read any "Left" writings? Roll Eyes

The basis that people refuse to acknowledge the problems with the ideas of Islam and instead try to shift to "it's a country thing" or "it's just the one dictator" etc etc. denialism of the problems for the sake of being "nice" about Islam simply means the reformists have no voice. It's the regressive left siding with conservatives in Islam and accepting the medieval teachings.

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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20738 Gordon Gender:	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #78 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:20pm Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:15pm: Oh no Gordon you have it all wrong bwian counted only 6.... I saw the camera tapes directly from the event. The tip of the spear numberd about 200. About 1000 attended. Some left as soon as they realised it was full of terrorists but many news why they were there.
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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #79 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:22pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:15pm:

matty wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:10pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

matty wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 1:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 1:23pm:

matty wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 1:18pm:

"Islamophobia" is just a term made up by the regressive left Muslim apologists to try to denigrate those of us who actually have valid and warranted concerns about Islam, which is more a political ideology than a religion.

That's what all the Islamophobes say.

(all terms are "made up", by the way)

Unlike the left who just want to brush it off and pretend there is no issue. Despite the fact that not one of you can name any recent mass killings by any Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu or any other r idiots group.

How recent is recent Matty?

2 weeks because it fits your narrative?

http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/

Go through it, I think out of 47 mentioned we have 3 to 4 carried out by people of Islamic faith.

Are Christians more inclined to mass murder then?

Have any of the non-Muslims who have killed done so in the name of their religion? Have they said that Christ or God has called them to kill? Or do they happen to be people of other religions who kill?

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/qv_6lKYkXD4/hqdefault.jpg

Which is no longer the accepted view in Christianity, because the religion went through reformation. What does Islam think about homosexuality?

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #80 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:23pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 12:28pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 12:16pm:

Saw this the other day, might pay to watch then reconsider blanket statements like "Muslim Countries" & Islamophobia. It would not exist if we sheeted home the problems to those that deserve the blame rather than an easy scapegoat.[/url]

We know Muslim countries have problems... the video just points out that different Muslim countries have different problems. We know that... what do they have in common?
THEY ARE MUSLIM COUNTRIES...

Yet their Islam differs markedly, between each country. That is something the Fundamentalist Islamists want to see ended. It is something we should be promoting. Anything that divides Muslims and allows individuality to be seen and accepted, is a good thing IMO. Roll Eyes

Name one Muslim country where women's rights, homosexual rights, freedom of speech, etc, are actually progressing instead of regressing. Then ask yourself why.

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #81 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:26pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:39pm:

As you know, I'm not one of those.
There are extremists in all walks of life.

It's my position that the level of conservatism, fundamentalism, extremism, call it what you will has a much higher set point within Islam. It's also an undeniable fact that Christian countries are better insulated from religion due to secularism and separation of church and state.

Brian, if we get an influx of Christian fundamentalists from USA or elsewhere and it becomes off limits to publicly critique them due to racism, I'll fill the boards with post.

Mkay?

Fine. However, we have not had an "influx" of Muslims - they still only make up about 3% of our population. The overwhelming majority of immigrants still come from Christian or secular societies. So, why is everybody running 'round like chooks with their heads cut off? Oh, thats right we have 3% of our population who are Muslim... Roll Eyes

So, I take it you don't believe we should accept any immigrants from any theocratic state? Even if they are attempting to escape the theocracy that rules their old country and have indicated a desire to live in our (nominally) Christian/Secular state? Roll Eyes

Why is then possible for you to accept Catholics who owe their religious allegiance to the Vatican, one of the few theocratic states in the world? Or British people? Afterall, their Queen is also the head of their national church... Roll Eyes

It's not even about migration but rather the denial of liberalism to over a billion people in the world, in the name of Islam. Why are we concerning ourselves about 3% population and claiming Islam is not a problem, when Islam has spread its fascist cloud over a billion people, and through its bad ideas denies people the liberties we enjoy, and the universal human rights that regressive leftists claim to support. Last I saw, universal didn't mean "for western countries only".

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #82 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:28pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:50pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:08pm:

matty wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 1:53pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 1:23pm:

matty wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 1:18pm:

"Islamophobia" is just a term made up by the regressive left Muslim apologists to try to denigrate those of us who actually have valid and warranted concerns about Islam, which is more a political ideology than a religion.

That's what all the Islamophobes say.

(all terms are "made up", by the way)

Unlike the left who just want to brush it off and pretend there is no issue. Despite the fact that not one of you can name any recent mass killings by any Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu or any other r idiots group.

How recent is recent Matty?

2 weeks because it fits your narrative?

http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/

Go through it, I think out of 47 mentioned we have 3 to 4 carried out by people of Islamic faith.

Are Christians more inclined to mass murder then?

I'm sorry how many do ISIS kill each week, how many were blown to bits in IRAQ the other day?
Boy, matty is soooo right when it comes to you apologists. Roll Eyes

I'm sorry who created ISIS?

And why no facebook changes for the 200+ MUSLIMS killed by them?

If we are so worried about Muslims you think we'd be patting them on the back seeing 99.9% of people they kill are Muslim in Islamic Countries.

Have you got 1 of their posters on your wall?

Who created Isis? Islam.

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #83 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:35pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 4:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:41pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:36pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:07pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 12:28pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 12:16pm:

Saw this the other day, might pay to watch then reconsider blanket statements like "Muslim Countries" & Islamophobia. It would not exist if we sheeted home the problems to those that deserve the blame rather than an easy scapegoat.[/url]

We know Muslim countries have problems... the video just points out that different Muslim countries have different problems. We know that... what do they have in common?
THEY ARE MUSLIM COUNTRIES...

Yet their Islam differs markedly, between each country. That is something the Fundamentalist Islamists want to see ended. It is something we should be promoting. Anything that divides Muslims and allows individuality to be seen and accepted, is a good thing IMO. Roll Eyes

So where was I wrong bwian?
Oh right... I wasn't...

Won't be long now the bwian yawn will be appearing and yet again he will have conceded victory to me. Grin

Grendel, the only place you're wrong is describing Islam as a unified, monolithic religion.

You said that before bwian, I denied it, its still a lie.

It's like suggesting that Christianity is a unified, monolithic religion. Roll Eyes

I've never said that either bwian, if fact on many occasions I've had to point out to the atheistic progressive left and ignorant moslems that Catholicism is not the entirety of Christianity.

I made the point that we should be identifying and fostering the differences, not smoothing them over and doing what the Islamists want - treat all Muslims the same. We should punish those that break the law and help those that foster the law.

What the Islamists want bwian is global Islam, how do you propose we dissuade them of that goal when their brother muslims are either too afraid or too supportive of them

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Still not handling that quote function very well, are you, Grendel.

Get back to me when you've managed it, OK? Roll Eyes

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Reply #84 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:36pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 4:43pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 4:27pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:50pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:46pm:

Gordon wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:39pm:

As you know, I'm not one of those.
There are extremists in all walks of life.

It's my position that the level of conservatism, fundamentalism, extremism, call it what you will has a much higher set point within Islam. It's also an undeniable fact that Christian countries are better insulated from religion due to secularism and separation of church and state.

Brian, if we get an influx of Christian fundamentalists from USA or elsewhere and it becomes off limits to publicly critique them due to racism, I'll fill the boards with post.

Mkay?

Fine. However, we have not had an "influx" of Muslims - they still only make up about 3% of our population. The overwhelming majority of immigrants still come from Christian or secular societies. So, why is everybody running 'round like chooks with their heads cut off? Oh, thats right we have 3% of our population who are Muslim... Roll Eyes

So, I take it you don't believe we should accept any immigrants from any theocratic state? Even if they are attempting to escape the theocracy that rules their old country and have indicated a desire to live in our (nominally) Christian/Secular state? Roll Eyes

Why is then possible for you to accept Catholics who owe their religious allegiance to the Vatican, one of the few theocratic states in the world? Or British people? Afterall, their Queen is also the head of their national church... Roll Eyes

So what other populations are trying to kill us here bwian?

POPULATION - particular group or type of people living in a place... YOU were the one who brought up other POPULATION GROUPS bwian not me... YOU are the apologist.... apparently you're now pretending to be a pedantic fool as well. Goodo

I'm not aware of any "population" which are "trying to kill us here," Grendel.

Now ignoring that idiocy... are you saying you are unaware of the people jailed (even just the other day) for trying to kill Australians in the name of Islam? Or sending people to fight for ISIS?

Very few, if any Muslims want to kill Australians. Why try and claim an entire "population" is?

I wasn't and you know I wasn't. Pedant.

Oh, thats, right, we're talking about Muslims, yeah. Roll Eyes

yes we are so you are not as stupid as you pretend to be eh.

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What other population are joining ISIS?

I am completely unaware of an entire "population" which wants to join Daesh.

Did I say entire.... oh dear careful your idiocy is showing...

Can you name it for us, Grendel? Oh, you mean Muslims?

Yes I do mean Muslims, not Christians or Buddists or any other POPULATION

But only a tiny minority of our population have attempted to join Daesh. I suppose we could discuss the Fascists, the Communists who wanted to join in the Spanish Civil War? What about the Croats and Bosnians who wanted to fight the Serbians? How about the Serbians and the Croats and the Bosnians who wanted to fight in the Balkan Wars? Plenty of others to choice from... Roll Eyes

Yes, why didn't you mention the Crusades? The Muslims mention them... BTW we all know Multiculti is a failure.

Still not handling that quote function very well, are you, Grendel.

Get back to me when you've managed it, OK? Roll Eyes

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Re: The truth about "islamaphobia"
Reply #85 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:37pm

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 4:46pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 4:21pm:

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 2:45pm:

Westboro Baptist Church members 40
puhlease... representative of Christianity Cheesy

How many Muslim Terrorists have been convicted of Terrorism charges in Australia, Grendel?

Six IIRC.

Yet, all the bigots assume that tiny number are "representative of Islam"... Roll Eyes

How disingenuous of you bwian... Cheesy

How?

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42337	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #86 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:39pm Gordon wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:13pm: Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:06pm: http://www.qwire.net/Sydney%20Muslim%20riots%202012.jpg 1000+ Angry Muslims in the CBD The day Sydney Muslims tipped their hand. The Sydney lost its trust. Really?
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42337	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #87 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:40pm Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:15pm: Oh no Gordon you have it all wrong bwian counted only 6.... There is a difference between being convicted of Terrorism and being convicted of public disorder, Grendel. That you can't see that difference indicates what about your bigotry towards all Muslims? Mmm?
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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 42337	Re: The truth about "islamaphobia" Reply #88 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:41pm Gordon wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:17pm: Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:14pm: http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2012/09/26/1226482/122387-muslim-riots.jpg Should have deported every last person who attended Bit hard to deport native born Australians...
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Reply #89 - Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:43pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:19pm:

The basis that people refuse to acknowledge the problems with the ideas of Islam and instead try to shift to "it's a country thing" or "it's just the one dictator" etc etc. denialism of the problems for the sake of being "nice" about Islam simply means the reformists have no voice. It's the regressive left siding with conservatives in Islam and accepting the medieval teachings.

Really? Perhaps you'd like to guide us through your thought process that arrived at that conclusion?

Ever consider that it might be just "one country" or "just one dictator" sort of thing, rather than being a universal Muslim issue? Mmm? Roll Eyes

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