Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:39pm:


Yes Brian.  I saw the raw footage direct from the news cameras.
Hope this helps

Gordon wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:43pm:


So, 1,000 people are showing what all Muslims think?

So, the events of that day, affected all Sydneysiders to the point where they no longer trust Muslims?

Seems rather a broad set of claims to make, Gordon...   

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:43pm:



Sure, sometimes correlation does not equate to causation.  But when we have the Middle East and Africa under a fascist cloud, using sharia law to inflict punishment, or when we have Brunei turning to sharia law, or states in Malaysia and Indonesia, you're going to tell me it's just individual countries?  I'd say there's an underlying root cause, and it's a shame that you refuse to acknowledge it.  Why that is, is beyond me.

And you've just proven my thought process by again trying to suggest that when the ideas of Islam are being used to create totalitarian states in the world the problem isnt the ideas of islam.  It's like saying fascism isn't a problem - only hitler or Mussolini were.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:58pm:


Oh, I agree that Islam does have it's problems but to ascribe to a religion written 1400+ years ago the problems created in the 21st century is rather strange IMO.  Particularly when you have so many other influences at work, such as Marxism/Communism/Capitalism/American Geo-Strategic and Energy policy/etc.

Islam, despite the claims of many Islamists has changed over the centuries to accommodate new thinking and has also retained a lot of old thinking as well.  Just like Christianity has as well.

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Perhaps you'd care to quote from the Q'ran where it states that Islamic countries need to be totalitarian regimes?   

You shouldn't mistake the thinking of some hard-line, totalitarian dictators for that of Islam on how to govern a nation.   

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 6:20pm:


But that's just it isn't it?  The religion was created 1400 years ago, based on a incredibly strange individual who was clearly a misogynist, and has never really had any proper reformation, so it's teachings that are 1400 years old are still being used in the modern world.  And when we criticise this fact, the regressive left jumps up and down claiming it has nothing to do with Islam. Bullsh1t. This very fact is the exact reason why it has everything to do with the ideas of Islam.  They are 1400 years old!!  And Reformist muslims are being denied the chance to take on the reformation of Islam because everyone is trying to sugar coat the real reasons with "it's individual states. Or it's individual people. Or it's not Islam" etc etc. 

I never said Quran demands totalitarian state, I'm saying the teachings is Islam are anti liberal and no proper leftist should stand around defending them, for the the sake of being nice, or for fear of being labeled a rascist.

Marxism has not really had much influence in the ideology of the current fascists in the Middle East. But the fascism of Europe during ww2 did, sure.  The problem is it encouraged the creation of fascism regimes based on Islamic teachings, and the west never eradicated it as we did with nazism, Japanese empiralism, etc. except now we have regressive leftists telling us it's all fine and to criticise a state using sharia law is islamaphobic.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 6:34pm:


Mohammed was a product of his environment and was no more misogynist than most 13th century Arabian peninsular men, so trying to judge his views by our standards is rather difficult.

As for reformation, well there are arguments that Islam has undergone a constant renewal throughout it's history and the present conflict between the Sunnis and Sh'iate branches is one aspect of that.   I have read arguments that perhaps al Q'aeda could be because of it's constant war on non-supporters actually part of that reformation today.   Modernism exists and it does have followers within Islam.

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You don't think you're looking at this from an outsider's perspective?  I have reformist Muslim friends.   Turkey underwent a reformation (of sorts) when the Caliphate was overthrown just before WWI and again when Attaturk came to power.   I don't doubt from within Islam things look rather different to how you're portraying them.

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Yet Islam has, at various times, been very liberal in it's attitudes towards other religions and other societies.    Leftists is a convenient label and as far as I can tell you're talking bullshit yourself about what Leftists believe, think or do about Islam.   Personally, I believe Muslims must figure out how to reform their own religion.  All the bombarding them with demands to reform does is strengthen the conservatives and the Islamists, driving the moderates deeper underground.

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Again, I'd recommend you do further reading.   In particular look at the histories of Iran/Iraq/Syria/Egypt/Libya and then get back to us about what little supposed influence Marxism had on those nations' development in the 20th century.   

Brian Ross wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 5:48pm:


I don't know what it means,  Brian but it's a bloody big worry we don't getting with Thais, Laos, Brazilians etc etc etc

Grendel wrote on Jul 13^th, 2016 at 10:02pm:


Good to see you coming to grips with that quote function at last, Grendel.

Now, as to your claims, I was talking about people who were convicted of Terrorism in Australia by Australian courts.

You seem hell bent on broadening this to include all Muslims.

What does that tell us about your bigotry, Grendel?  Mmmm?